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SlyFrog posted:Inexperienced virgin farm boy Now now, he's nailed wamprats back home
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And the exhaust port is 2 meters wide?
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gohuskies posted:And the exhaust port is 2 meters wide? She's a big girl. Tatooine thick they call it.
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Jul 10, 2011 02:11
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What the hell is going on in this thread.
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entris posted:What the hell is going on in this thread. A good thing.
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entris posted:What the hell is going on in this thread. goddamn am I horny
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If any of you are so kind please help a brother out with some advice. So I am doing a small piece of research comparing and contrasting the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct and the New Zealand Rules of Conduct and Client Care. The focus is to be on what extent both systems approach "zealous advocacy" i.e. to the extent one can put their duty to the client as opposed to the duty to the court. I would appreciate if any of ya'll could help me out by pointing me in particular directions of interest regarding the Model Rules or evidence of American legal culture when it comes to this point/ anecdotal experiences. Trying not to be like 'do my homework' but just 'indicate where to look'. My first cracks at searching so far have not been fruitful.
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Most of the really interesting ABA rules are in regards to bear law. You could talk about how the lack of bears in New Zealand caused New Zealand law to develop differently from American law. You could also discuss potential new developments in New Zealand law if bears were introduced there.
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Any lawyers/students from Australia here? I'm a 4th year Laws/Commerce (finance) student at the University of Queensland with a pretty crappy GPA (like 4.5) and I'm pretty sure I have zero chance at getting any sort of Grad position. All of this is my own fault due to my laziness, I haven't applied for any summer internships or anything (not that I would be looked at due to my GPA) instead travelling and generally doing nothing over my summers. What do I need to do/can I do with a below average GPA to get a job out of school? I'm not averse to moving interstate or something like that, and eventually I'd like to be a barrister but obviously need contacts/start up money before that becomes realistically.
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Lemonus posted:If any of you are so kind please help a brother out with some advice. Honestly, that's a pretty wicked avatar/post combo. I don't think it'd be as hard as you profess it is to find what you're looking for. As to '[indicating] where to look,' Google isn't a bad place to start. The ABA's site (and quite possibly other state bar association sites) should have the Model Rules available. tau fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jul 11, 2011 |
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Jul 11, 2011 05:08
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Lemonus posted:If any of you are so kind please help a brother out with some advice. American lawyers have a duty to the court? You're probably already aware, but the comments on the Model Rules of Professional Conduct are a good first stop. After that I'd try Google Scholar (both for case law and for academic articles). edit: beaten by tau, so you should assume that this is good advice. Ersatz fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jul 11, 2011 |
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Jul 11, 2011 05:21
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Ersatz posted:American lawyers have a duty to the court?
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srsly posted:As an American lawyer, you really should know this. Note that I linked to the comment on Rule 3.3. I guess humor isn't your thing.
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Nah clicking on random links, the particular content of which is not apparent from the context, even though it looks that way, is not my thing. Humor I do just fine.
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srsly posted:Nah clicking on random links, the particular content of which is not apparent from the context, even though it looks that way, is not my thing. Humor I do just fine.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ srsly. For a guy with a Ph.D, he's wound pretty tight. It should be noted that "candor toward the court" is a more complex thing when it comes to criminal defense and clients testifying. I cannot suborn perjury, but I cannot prevent my client from testifying, nor can I reveal that his testimony is untrue. What exactly I should do depends on the state. In some states, I direct him as usual, in others I direct him on the non perjurious part just as "is there anything else you want to say" and have him basically narrate the rest. (In those states people aren't supposed to make a narrative objection because everyone kind of knows what this is, but it is unspoken)
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Lemonus posted:If any of you are so kind please help a brother out with some advice. This post will probably cover far more than you need, but hey, why not. The whole zealous advocacy duty has been fairly heavily covered over the past few years, particularly in the context of the torture memos; you can find some light reading in the area in blog posts on the topic, most likely. Sourcewise, I will pimp my old journal, for one: the Georgetown Journal of Legal Ethics. There's been quite a bit in there on both the actual and theoretical bases of the zealous advocacy duty over the past few years; basically the entirety of Volume 23 Issue 4 focused on lawyer duties to clients from a theoretical perspective, for example. Some writers you might want to look into (more from the theoretical perspective than the practical) include David Luban, Brad Wendel, Alice Woolley, Katherine Kruse, and Mit Regan (who's written fairly extensively about this area w/r/t corporate law - his book Eat What You Kill is a good read). While I don't recall the Journal having any NZ-related articles lately, there've been a few on law firm culture in Australia; check V24-2 for Parker & Aitken's article on the topic. Beyond that, I'd also point you to the Legal Ethics Forum and the LEF Blog, both of which have a number of posts you may find useful, and are basically an excellent starting point for any American legal ethics related
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my apologies. the law has ruined me.
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Thanks for your help guys !Kalman posted:This post will probably cover far more than you need, but hey, why not. The whole zealous advocacy duty has been fairly heavily covered over the past few years, particularly in the context of the torture memos; you can find some light reading in the area in blog posts on the topic, most likely. Thanks especially for this. Some of those Georgetown Articles are right on the money especially one directly on willful ignorance.
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Keep this in mind, gentle goons. Even if you do happen to land a law-job the job could still be so outrageously difficult or unenjoyable due to client/adversary troubles that you just want to end up an unemployed drunk anyway. I'm a public defender and all my bad clients call on the same day, usually Monday. Both of my legal jobs thus far have been very stressful and not very enjoyable. While a prosecutor I had people bitching at me about traffic tickets or defense attorneys whining at me. Now as a defense attorney I have people who I'm helping even more out for my blood. After many months of misery I've just about had it. If I quit, I don't think I'd even try to get a job in the legal field. Maybe somewhere else...anyone know -I haven't checked this thread in a long time- how the taco industry is going these days?. Torpor fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jul 12, 2011 |
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Torpor posted:Both of my legal jobs thus far have been very stressful and not very enjoyable. While a prosecutor I had people bitching at me about traffic tickets or defense attorneys whining at me. You should drop by #lawgoons on synirc so I can ask you questions about your experiences as a prosecutor 
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prussian advisor posted:You should drop by #lawgoons on synirc so I can ask you questions about your experiences as a prosecutor It did have an endless supply of some of the most bitchin' pens, though.
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Torpor posted:It did have an endless supply of some of the most bitchin' pens, though. Seriously, though, you should drop by. I have a ton of questions. What state? And why'd you quit, besides defense attorney whining?
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prussian advisor posted:Seriously, though, you should drop by. I have a ton of questions. What state? And why'd you quit, besides defense attorney whining? My boss lost the election, the new guy fired everyone, I was in the 'everyone' group.
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Torpor posted:My boss lost the election, the new guy fired everyone, I was in the 'everyone' group. I've never heard of a new elected DA literally firing the whole office, including the new guys. You'd completely wipe out any institutional skills and identity. Was this a large/urban office or relatively small?
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Torpor posted:My boss lost the election, the new guy fired everyone, I was in the 'everyone' group. That's brutal. So American prosecutors don't actually have any job security?
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Penguins Like Pies posted:That's brutal. So American prosecutors don't actually have any job security? Most offices in CA are civil service, so that isn't an issue. San Francisco is the biggest exception for both DAs and PDs. And the PD in San Francisco is elected, so they have the same problem.
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Trying to connect to #lawgoons on my phone. It wants a server as well as a channel. What's the server for lawgoons?
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When the new DA took over in 2008 he made all the prosecutors take piss tests and a bunch if them subsequently "resigned" lol
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Do your clients a favor and quit. The last thing anyone needs when they encounter the U.S. criminal justice system is a checked-out miserable former DA for a lawyer, who thinks that people asserting rights are "whining."
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I've been told twice by my future boss that I'm getting an offer, but that they are waiting on the numbers to be signed off by the head of the department. I am moving to a new city to take this job, and my wife and I are looking for apartments in the new city. Unfortunately, we can't get an apartment without proof of employment, so I'm stuck in this weird limbo where I'm hoping the offer letter comes any day (which it might) and I am pushing ahead looking at apartments. I'm really tempted to email my future boss and just gently nudge him about the numbers to see if I can speed the process up, or at least get an informal letter from him that I could use to secure an apartment, but I also don't want to gently caress up the process by being pushy. Uggggh. My wife is ready to murder me because we're trying to find an apartment and we aren't even sure how much I'll be making.
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entris posted:I've been told twice by my future boss that I'm getting an offer, but that they are waiting on the numbers to be signed off by the head of the department. Same boat. I'm waiting on a phone call "this week". Sure would be a load off my back as I study for the bar or a crushing defeat.
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Roger_Mudd posted:Same boat. I'm waiting on a phone call "this week". Sure would be a load off my back as I study for the bar or a crushing defeat. I've been told by so many attorneys to get out of Austin that I'm moving back to Dallas. We can collaborate. 
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Solomon Grundy posted:Or least learn to use it correctly. The most important hiring criterion for me right now is finding someone who can scan, ocr and manipulate .pdf files with very little input from me. Is this a paying gig? Hrmmmmm. Also add me to the list of people waiting for a call back on a job "this week"
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HooKars posted:So I gave my two weeks notice today. I am officially not a practicing attorney anymore and am returning to my pre-law school career of paralegal. You must feel very relieved. I'm glad to hear your life will be much less stressful, and to me that is worth every penny of the money you're giving up. quepasa18 fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 12, 2011 |
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CaptainScraps posted:I've been told by so many attorneys to get out of Austin that I'm moving back to Dallas. We can collaborate. Out of curiosity, is this because the legal market in Austin is next to nonexistent? Or hiring, at least.
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J Miracle posted:Do your clients a favor and quit. The last thing anyone needs when they encounter the U.S. criminal justice system is a checked-out miserable former DA for a lawyer, who thinks that people asserting rights are "whining." Most PDs, including the most dedicated, will bitch and moan about whiny clients: "Could I get a better deal if I got a real lawyer?"
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cendien posted:Out of curiosity, is this because the legal market in Austin is next to nonexistent? Or hiring, at least. Austin is a small city in which almost every Texan wishes to live. Small legal market + lots of competition. Our legislature only meets every 2 years so there isn't the normal amount of legal activities in the capital.
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nm posted:To be fair a lot of them whine and rarely about their actual rights. This one bothers me the most. I also love its brother: "I was talking to this partner at a law firm and he said that what the cops did totally violated my rights!" Sure buddy. Since you didn't pay for your PD, I'm sure you have plenty of money to afford a consult with a partner in a law firm now.
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