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First spy-shots of the 2012 C63 AMG Black coupe. Bit less weight, bit more power (around the ~520hp mark) and wider track. 
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Jul 7, 2011 03:46
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I swear, eventually MB will come up with a bespoke model for every single individual who buys a Mercedes.
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Jul 7, 2011 04:36
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el topo posted:I swear, eventually MB will come up with a bespoke model for every single individual who buys a Mercedes. It's hardly Veyron levels of special edition.
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Jul 7, 2011 04:38
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True, but their vehicle range seems to encompass everything but the kitchen sink. Coming up next week: MB announces a range of kitchen sinks.
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Jul 7, 2011 05:25
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2ndclasscitizen posted:First spy-shots of the 2012 C63 AMG Black coupe. Bit less weight, bit more power (around the ~520hp mark) and wider track. Really digging this new Accord coupe
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Jul 7, 2011 08:07
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el topo posted:I swear, eventually MB will come up with a bespoke model for every single individual who buys a Mercedes. I thought the black line started with the C class originally?
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Jul 7, 2011 17:43
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el topo posted:Coming up next week: MB announces a range of kitchen sinks. Porsche beat them to this years ago  http://www.poggenpohl-porsche-design-kitchen.com/en/
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Jul 7, 2011 18:21
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14 INCH DICK TURBO posted:I thought the black line started with the C class originally? I think it was the SL
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Jul 7, 2011 18:22
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Stabbing Spork posted:Porsche beat them to this years ago Porsche DESIGN. Does that even really count as Porsche?
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Jul 7, 2011 18:27
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Motronic posted:Porsche DESIGN. Does that even really count as Porsche? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Design
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Jul 7, 2011 19:21
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travisray2004 posted:Yes. Ewwww....they really did that in 2003, didn't they?
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Jul 7, 2011 20:23
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el topo posted:True, but their vehicle range seems to encompass everything but the kitchen sink. http://www.bornrich.com/entry/mercedes-new-viano-marco-polo-camper-van/ Mercedes camper van. Guess what it has?
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Jul 7, 2011 23:28
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kimbo305 posted:It's hardly Veyron levels of special edition. Hell, they're not even at Mustang levels, yet. Wait, maybe I've confused the two. Mustang is the curve setter, yes?
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Jul 8, 2011 00:30
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2ndclasscitizen posted:First spy-shots of the 2012 C63 AMG Black coupe. Bit less weight, bit more power (around the ~520hp mark) and wider track. I really don't understand why they produce "Black" series cars that are not painted black.
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Jul 8, 2011 00:43
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The old Aircooled bugs had a bazillion special editions many of which never made it over here. Levis jeans edition bug, anyone?
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Jul 8, 2011 00:43
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I saw a loving Nautica edition Mercury Villager yesterday. I don't even know what the selling point of that edition was when new. Comes with Nautica cologne airfreshners? A pair of jeans?
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Jul 8, 2011 01:16
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I think they were trying to make Nautica Mercury's version of Eddie Bauer, seriously.
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Jul 8, 2011 01:18
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travisray2004 posted:I saw a loving Nautica edition Mercury Villager yesterday. I don't even know what the selling point of that edition was when new. Comes with Nautica cologne airfreshners? A pair of jeans? It was an attempt to get fobs to buy domestic cars.
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Jul 8, 2011 02:23
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Faerunner posted:Really digging this new Accord coupe The roofline is really boring on the C coupe, yes, but all that Black body kitting helps quite a bit.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:17
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kimbo305 posted:The roofline is really boring on the C coupe, yes, but all that Black body kitting helps quite a bit. Making a design more busy and lumpy doesn't automatically improve it. In this case? Doesn't improve it.
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Jul 8, 2011 06:47
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Faerunner posted:Making a design more busy and lumpy doesn't automatically improve it. In this case? Doesn't improve it. Ricy creases and vents is not for everyone but I like it here. Opinions opinions...
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Jul 8, 2011 07:14
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kimbo305 posted:Ricy creases and vents is not for everyone but I like it here. Opinions opinions... I like the look but I'm just not crazy about the vents near the wheels. It would look better without them in my opinion.  And yes, that is lovely. I did it in MSPaint, with my laptop touchpad. 
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Jul 8, 2011 09:56
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Okay, so if they're saying that the 7-speed manual will be a manually actuated PDK, I really want to see how they'll set up the forks. This is the PDK Transmission:  Now, say they have a shift layout like this: code:This doesn't make any sense unless what they're really saying is "We'll use the same shaft but move around all the gears so you have standard 1-2,3-4,5-6 groupings with a 7th gear thrown on. Edit: I'm sure you could whip up some sort of mechanism to do this, but it would probably be complicated and feel very awkward compared to a normal manual. So much easier to just move the gears around on the shafts. Dave Inc. fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Jul 8, 2011 |
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Jul 8, 2011 12:47
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Whats the bet its just the PDK without any type of fully automatic mode
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Jul 8, 2011 14:09
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dissss posted:Whats the bet its just the PDK without any type of fully automatic mode As in just a pure sequential transmission? Very much doubt that.
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Jul 8, 2011 15:00
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Or, more realistically, it'll just be a regular old manual box with another gear in it.
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Jul 8, 2011 15:24
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Don't forget that the gear grouping on dual-clutch transmissions is very specific to the nature of them, switching between two different gearsets, each of which always has a ratio engaged. The PDK picture above shows the input gears for 3rd and 4th engaged onto their respective shafts, but only third is connected to the engine, 4th being preselected to engage with the disengagement of the "odd" clutch and the engagement of the "even" clutch. Technically speaking, you could fully manually control that setup, but you'd better not lose track of where you are, or you could well be looking at a nice money shift from 4th into 1st instead of third. Assuming they are indeed going to be using the PDK hardware, my prediction is the full transmission as-is, but the control system being a standard H-gate shifter and clutch pedal. However, you don't need to have it running linkages, it can be a fly by wire setup. You have a computer to actually run the gearbox, and it preselects the next appropriate gear based on your inputs (high rpm in third while on the throttle is going to be 4th next, while braking and dropping rpm is likely to be heading towards needing 2nd, just like the normal PDK. That gives you the fastest shift when you actually flick the lever, but if you put the shifter somewhere it wasn't expecting, it can still do it. Or refuse, if the result would be an over-rev condition. You can run the clutches so that depressing the pedal disengages both, but raising it again only engages the appropriate one for the shifter position. Using hydraulic valving to switch between the two clutches would preserve pedal feel. I think they could make it work well enough that no-one would be able to tell they weren't driving a mechanically-controlled manual, and allow them to give you a tickbox option to select clutch pedal or automatic clutch, combined with your choice of H-gate or sequential shifter. Other than that, and the fact the transmission unit itself can be the same across all cars regardless of spec, it doesn't have any real advantage over a traditional manual. Also, don't forget that a true sequential manual such as that in a rally car is really a normal h-gate shift gearbox, with the sequential shifter using a complicated rotational actuator to give the gearbox the same fork actions as an h-pattern input. They aren't like a dual-clutch transmission or planetary-geared automatic. TLDR: You could "manualise" a PDK, but it's not going to be quite as straightforward as just some linkages, and makes sense more from a business/parts commonality standpoint than pure fitness for purpose.
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Jul 8, 2011 16:30
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Porsche makes some drat fine gearboxes with a really good mechanical feel. Going to an electrically actuated H-gate would just be so completely awful I'd rather forget it and go with the PDK. Porsche being Porsche, I imagine they'll find a way to make it a 7-speed with a mechanical linkage, hopefully by just changing the gear positions and using fork selectors (that's all they'd need to do) instead of the current PDK layout.
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Jul 8, 2011 18:47
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Internet Meme posted:It was an attempt to get fobs to buy domestic cars.
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Jul 8, 2011 22:04
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travisray2004 posted:I saw a loving Nautica edition Mercury Villager yesterday. I don't even know what the selling point of that edition was when new. Comes with Nautica cologne airfreshners? A pair of jeans? I decided they went off the deep end when I saw the commercial for the Call of Duty: Black Ops special edition Jeep Wrangler
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Jul 8, 2011 23:13
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Just saw a commercial for the new Scion TC, and its pretty loving hideous.
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Jul 9, 2011 06:50
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SouthLAnd posted:I like the look but I'm just not crazy about the vents near the wheels. It would look better without them in my opinion.
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Jul 9, 2011 06:51
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Is it just me or do C-class coupes always seem to have ridiculously small rear wheels? The sedan doesn't have that problem.
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Jul 9, 2011 14:55
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JackRabbitStorm posted:Just saw a commercial for the new Scion TC, and its pretty loving hideous. It looks like they designed a shorter car but then decided at the last minute that it had to be longer. Also what's up with the fake Hoffman kink? I've seen it on at least one other non-BMW car...
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Jul 9, 2011 14:56
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el topo posted:It looks like they designed a shorter car but then decided at the last minute that it had to be longer. Also what's up with the fake Hoffman kink? I've seen it on at least one other non-BMW car... The rear window area looks like they tried to recreate the Camaro.
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Jul 9, 2011 18:08
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el topo posted:It looks like they designed a shorter car but then decided at the last minute that it had to be longer. Also what's up with the fake Hoffman kink? I've seen it on at least one other non-BMW car... you mean Hofmeister kink
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Jul 9, 2011 18:39
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Oops, you are correct.
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Jul 10, 2011 01:13
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2ndclasscitizen posted:First spy-shots of the 2012 C63 AMG Black coupe. Bit less weight, bit more power (around the ~520hp mark) and wider track. So does put the final nail in the coffin of a E63 coupe possibility? I don't understand their thought process when MB says a E63 coupe would cannibalize CLS63 sales. The CLS has 2 more doors (gently caress 4 door "coupes") and costs $95k, a E550 coupe tops out at $60k. I love the current E coupe but it feels like the redheaded stepchild of the MB lineup.
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Jul 10, 2011 05:04
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heat posted:I decided they went off the deep end when I saw the commercial for the Call of Duty: Black Ops special edition Jeep Wrangler I work with someone that has one of these. It's got tubular doors, I'll try ab get a photo later today. It actually looks ok, other than the CoD logos.
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el topo posted:It looks like they designed a shorter car but then decided at the last minute that it had to be longer. Also what's up with the fake Hoffman kink? I've seen it on at least one other non-BMW car... I recall reading that the Scion tC has a stretched wheelbase from the Toyota Avensis it is based upon. They really did just take a car and stretch is a bit in the middle, I guess American back seat passengers have longer legs than others.
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