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THE BLACK NINJA
Mar 9, 2010
Could I have done any damage, really, with one pull? I just feel really bad about it. Anything that wouldn't show up till after five years/60k miles?

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Lowclock
Oct 26, 2005

THE BLACK NINJA posted:

Could I have done any damage, really, with one pull? I just feel really bad about it. Anything that wouldn't show up till after five years/60k miles?

No. If anything, it was probably good for it.

ickna
May 19, 2004

THE BLACK NINJA posted:

Could I have done any damage, really, with one pull? I just feel really bad about it. Anything that wouldn't show up till after five years/60k miles?

if it did anything bad, you'd most likely find out well before that. subaru's are pretty tough, and most of what you find after 5 years are normal wear items, unless it was dogged most of it's early life by a hooning teen learning to drive a stick. even then, they usually can take most of it.

Lord Gaga
May 9, 2010

Lord Gaga posted:

My ball joints are bad and my tie rods arent bad but are none too fresh. My tires are like mountains and valleys after 20,000-25,000 miles as a result. (HTR ZIIIs)

I will be replacing the inner and outer tie rods and lower ball joints, what else should I do at the same time?
Control arm bushings?
Is it worth it to buy poly bushings?
Do I need to buy brand name ones from a very expensive play like turninconcepts or will these be good too: Prothane eBay Bushings

Thanks.



Also does anyone have a short shifter they'd like to sell me?

Any advice on this? I tried google but got people who either just installed them and were like feels great! (no poo poo brand new poly bushings are better than your 10 year old ones with 100,000 miles? Awesome. Helpful.) or who were like eBay parts?! Cant be good. Go buy these for three times as much dont be dum.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

THE BLACK NINJA posted:

Any other input on the near redline experience in a 260 mile old STi? I just did this and regret it, but don't really feel like a warm engine moving at high speed could really be bad for the car. I would think if i do that every shift during the break in that wouldn't be good though.

Any other thoughts? : /

As said, it's actually not that bad a thing to zing the red line once or twice in breakin period.

EvilBlackRailgun
Jan 28, 2007


You absolutely fine, most everything seals within the first couple of miles anyway. Just be sure to change your oil, filter, (and preferably tune) at 1k.

Amandyke
Nov 27, 2004

A wha?

Cat Terrist posted:

As said, it's actually not that bad a thing to zing the red line once or twice in breakin period.

I've actually read reports from guys who race motorcycles who swear that you should break the motor in HARD. The guy, and I apologize in advance for not having the source at hand, had broken in motors following both the standard take it easy method and the break it in hard method. If I remember correctly, he actually had better compression on the motors he had broken in hard. Granted it was only a few percentage difference between the two methods, but certainly showed to me that the break in doesn't have to be driving miss daisy for 500 miles.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher
Subaru have told me to drive it like a loving stole it but not to exceed 4500 rpm. But to zing the red line once or twiceaint a bad thing so the drive it liek you stole it idea does seem to have something to it.

So what's this MY11 pistons from glass thing? IS there proof?

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
not 2011. 05+ when they changed the casting. I have a whole box of pistons missing ringlands and know guys at the dealership who are rebuilding stock sub-3000 mile motors under warranty. By just dropping in another poo poo piston.


Lord Gaga-

if the car is any lower than stock just get the whiteline roll center kit. If you want to replace bushings a whiteline ALK, TiC rear suspension package, and subframe lock bolts covers just about everything for about $550. I've been meaning to put together a package actually.

JayKay
Sep 11, 2001

And you thought they were cute and cuddly.

Welp, that sucked.

O2 sensor - 1
JayKay - 0

I tried replacing my O2 sensor with no luck this morning. Jacked up the car, removed the wheel and despite all my effort and PB Blaster, I couldn't get the stupid sensor to budge. Part of my problem seems to be that the 22mm crows foot socket I have was slightly too big/out of spec and was a very loose fit on the sensor. It seemed like all I was going to do was round the crap out of the sensor.

Any suggestions?

Edit: I think I'm just going to try to PB Blast the crap out of it and let it sit for awhile. Then go at it again with a breaker bar. I'm just worried I'm going to round the crap out of the o2 sensor.

JayKay fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jul 13, 2011

sanchez
Feb 26, 2003

THE BLACK NINJA posted:

Any other input on the near redline experience in a 260 mile old STi? I just did this and regret it, but don't really feel like a warm engine moving at high speed could really be bad for the car. I would think if i do that every shift during the break in that wouldn't be good though.

Any other thoughts? : /

Most of the breakin happens in the first few miles when the port and dealership employees along with any test drivers are beating the poo poo out of it anyway. (I find it weird that in the US cars can be sold as new that have been test driven)

It's fine and was probably redlined cold before you bought it.

sanchez fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Jul 13, 2011

THE BLACK NINJA
Mar 9, 2010
Thanks for the input. My mind much more at ease knowing it wasn't bad and possibly even good for it. Also, I did buy the car with 6 miles on it. Made a deposit before it hit the dealership's lot. No one drove the car except a sales assistant who put gas in it. She did come back with a smile talking about what a great car it is though...

BobTheFerret
Nov 10, 2003
Angry for coins

jamal posted:

not 2011. 05+ when they changed the casting. I have a whole box of pistons missing ringlands and know guys at the dealership who are rebuilding stock sub-3000 mile motors under warranty. By just dropping in another poo poo piston.

I was told by a dealer in Arizona that most of the ringland issues outside of the '08's came from the poor stock map that ran very lean. The dealership manager and service manager I bought mine from both told me to get a reflash/downpipe immediately - that this was likely significantly safer on terrible Arizona gas than running the stock map (as well as quite a bit more fun). God how I miss that dealership.

Lord Gaga
May 9, 2010
Car I thought was all stock but apparently it has perrin end links in the rear so I am going to have to see what all is done to it. It sticks to the road very very very well. Unbelievably well in fact. I am thinking maybe the front and rear sway bar have been done already and the bushings along with. Ill measure with a caliper soon.

$550 on that setup is quite a bit more than what I am talking about which is mostly replacing worn front suspension components though.

What is stock swaybar size on an 02 WRX? 20mm/20mm F/R?

blargle
Apr 3, 2007
Even on a new car with a good, safe stage 2 protune, it generally only takes one bad tank of gas to blow the engine. This recently happened to a guy near me with an '09 WRX.. rod knock (already had the '09 WRX engine problem corrected). On the other hand, I've seen guys go 60k without a problem.

sanchez
Feb 26, 2003

blargle posted:

Even on a new car with a good, safe stage 2 protune, it generally only takes one bad tank of gas to blow the engine. This recently happened to a guy near me with an '09 WRX.. rod knock (already had the '09 WRX engine problem corrected). On the other hand, I've seen guys go 60k without a problem.

Isn't that what knock sensors are supposed to prevent?

Jared592
Jan 23, 2003
JARED NUMBERS: BACK IN ACTION

JayKay posted:

O2 sensor - 1
JayKay - 0


Let the PB blaster sit for awhile and then give it ago. If that doesn't work, hit it with a propane torch and then immediately cool it with a can of compressed air turned upside down (should see liquid spurting out). You might have to do this a few times.

I wouldn't keep using that crows foot if it's not fitting tightly on the bolt. Try something tighter, maybe an adjustable wrench of some sort.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

sanchez posted:

Isn't that what knock sensors are supposed to prevent?

There's only so much you can do with a knock sensor.

blargle
Apr 3, 2007
I'm not an expert on engine internals but I've wondered if it's possible for someone to make a stronger or thicker cast piston that could just be dropped in. Maybe using MAT casting or something. A piston that could run forever at 375 whp would satisfy 90% of the mod community.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

blargle posted:

I'm not an expert on engine internals but I've wondered if it's possible for someone to make a stronger or thicker cast piston that could just be dropped in.
Forged pistons don't cost that much. It is the labor that does it. If you're going to open the engine up, you might as well put forged in.

blargle
Apr 3, 2007
Yeah, but if you don't have to split the block and hone it, it would be cheaper.

BobTheFerret
Nov 10, 2003
Angry for coins

sanchez posted:

Isn't that what knock sensors are supposed to prevent?

In addition to what CatTerrist said, the knock sensor in the WRX/STi isn't very good as compared to what higher end vehicles (BMW/Mercedes) are sporting (correct me if I'm wrong though). In fact, if you have an accessport and log for a bit, you'll notice weird false knock events at low RPM's - almost all of which will come from cylinder 4, which (from what I've heard) is the closest one to the knock sensor.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

blargle posted:

Yeah, but if you don't have to split the block and hone it, it would be cheaper.

How do you remove Subaru pistons without splitting the block?

blargle
Apr 3, 2007
This guy does it, unless I'm missing something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmlNIaapInk

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher
Welll huh. I learnt something.

Not sure it would be advised as you really should do a hone when changing psitons.

Bob Log
May 19, 2004

Hey, It's Bob Log

ickna posted:

Don't worry about it, especially since you have a warranty

Search my posts for my rant about trying to get my 2011 WRX fixed by a dealer.

The Dealer is not required to honor warranty work on your car for any reason per their discretion and according to SOA they have no power to make them do any warranty work on your car as long as they deem it not an immediate safety hazard.

Electrical gremlins, ground faults and a headlight/blinker that doesn't work. TOTALLY SAFE CAUSE IT'S PASSENGER SIDE. :downs:

I will never buy another new subaru after this as long as I live.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat

Bob Log posted:

Search my posts for my rant about trying to get my 2011 WRX fixed by a dealer.

The Dealer is not required to honor warranty work on your car for any reason per their discretion and according to SOA they have no power to make them do any warranty work on your car as long as they deem it not an immediate safety hazard.

Electrical gremlins, ground faults and a headlight/blinker that doesn't work. TOTALLY SAFE CAUSE IT'S PASSENGER SIDE. :downs:

I will never buy another new subaru after this as long as I live.
Sorry you have a lovely dealer, but headlight/blinkers are required to work correctly by law. I would have raked those bastards over the coals.

Hugh G. Rectum
Mar 1, 2011

When my Outback was new in 98 it had a grounding issue with the passenger blinker and kept blowing the fuse, dealer fixed it for free without question. Sounds like your dealer is a piece of poo poo.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Bob Log posted:


Electrical gremlins, ground faults and a headlight/blinker that doesn't work. TOTALLY SAFE CAUSE IT'S PASSENGER SIDE. :downs:



Why didnt you rear end ream the cunts? That's a poo poo dealer and would deserve it

thealphabetsez
Jun 1, 2004

Cat Terrist posted:

Welll huh. I learnt something.

Not sure it would be advised as you really should do a hone when changing psitons.

It is possible to hone the block while still together... albeit it would be easier in his situation if the block were on a stand.

Bob Log
May 19, 2004

Hey, It's Bob Log

Cat Terrist posted:

Why didnt you rear end ream the cunts? That's a poo poo dealer and would deserve it
It's been to Maita Subaru, the Roseville Subaru, Napa Subaru and Santa Rosa not just one dealer. This is MONTHS now I have been playing this game. The routine is I bring the car in, tell them the problems, they give me some lame excuse and give me the car back a few days later. I escalate as far as I can go and they say "Look we've looked it over and it's in perfectly serviceable condition, bring it back when it's displaying the particularly severe issues hurf blurf" and initiate Subaru of America and the Dealer going back and forth finger pointing until SOA concedes they have no power to help me do anything and the dealer tells me tough poo poo not his problem. From speaking to other dealers they're worried about the amount of work the car needs claiming they won't get reimbursed from SOA and I sure as gently caress won't pay.

I know Santa Cruz will fix it but it's driving from where I live (near windsor, ca) to Santa Cruz to get it fixed. The Car's gotten rear ended and front ended since(while stopped and while parked while I was in work respectively) and I don't have very much free time due to a job with a 90+ hour workweek to get the Hours and Hours of repair work that needs to be done.

Bob Log fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 14, 2011

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

thealphabetsez posted:

It is possible to hone the block while still together... albeit it would be easier in his situation if the block were on a stand.

With the conrods in the block? Not going to work

THE BLACK NINJA
Mar 9, 2010
This might belong in the stupid questions thread, but should I take the car to a dealer for the 1k oil change? I would do it myself but I want receipts...

c355n4
Jan 3, 2007

THE BLACK NINJA posted:

This might belong in the stupid questions thread, but should I take the car to a dealer for the 1k oil change? I would do it myself but I want receipts...

So go to the dealer?

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Bob Log posted:

It's been to Maita Subaru, the Roseville Subaru, Napa Subaru and Santa Rosa not just one dealer. This is MONTHS now I have been playing this game. The routine is I bring the car in, tell them the problems, they give me some lame excuse and give me the car back a few days later. I escalate as far as I can go and they say "Look we've looked it over and it's in perfectly serviceable condition, bring it back when it's displaying the particularly severe issues hurf blurf" and initiate Subaru of America and the Dealer going back and forth finger pointing until SOA concedes they have no power to help me do anything and the dealer tells me tough poo poo not his problem. From speaking to other dealers they're worried about the amount of work the car needs claiming they won't get reimbursed from SOA and I sure as gently caress won't pay.

I know Santa Cruz will fix it but it's driving from where I live (near windsor, ca) to Santa Cruz to get it fixed. The Car's gotten rear ended and front ended since(while stopped and while parked while I was in work respectively) and I don't have very much free time due to a job with a 90+ hour workweek to get the Hours and Hours of repair work that needs to be done.
I'd note that Fairfield Subaru isn't terrible (which is the highest complement I can give a subaru dealer) and might be closer.

You should just sue SOA at this point though. SOA certainly has the power to get the dealer to do something, they're egging you the gently caress on.
They say, we're going to pay for this, fix his poo poo, it is part of our dealer agreement.

The Jabberwocky
May 31, 2006

At least it worked.
So is it firm that the '12 Imprezas are going to be out in August? I can't seem to find anything other than "later this year" coming from SOA.

Totally seperate question: am I an idiot for wanting an 03 WRX? Is it ridiculous to consider swapping in a 2.5 and kind of slowly making it awesome? I wouldn't be racing or anything, but I've always wanted a stupid fast Subaru, and the more I learn about cars, the more I think I don't really want anything else. That said, until the next redesign, the early models are my favorites aesthetically. So am I dumb to consider throwing 10k or so at a used WRX?

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

The Jabberwocky posted:

Totally seperate question: am I an idiot for wanting an 03 WRX? Is it ridiculous to consider swapping in a 2.5 and kind of slowly making it awesome? I wouldn't be racing or anything, but I've always wanted a stupid fast Subaru, and the more I learn about cars, the more I think I don't really want anything else. That said, until the next redesign, the early models are my favorites aesthetically. So am I dumb to consider throwing 10k or so at a used WRX?

Yes and no. Yes, bcause just getting a 2.5l WRX is cheaper option than swapping and loving around. No because making awesome WRX's is great fun and if you can get an 06 for cheap to make stupidly quick, do it.

The Jabberwocky
May 31, 2006

At least it worked.

Cat Terrist posted:

Yes and no. Yes, bcause just getting a 2.5l WRX is cheaper option than swapping and loving around. No because making awesome WRX's is great fun and if you can get an 06 for cheap to make stupidly quick, do it.

Yeah that's basically my thought process. I'm not looking to be particularly economical or whatever. I figure I could spend 35-40k on a new sports car and then more on top of that making it awesome, or I can spend 10k on an older WRX and then have the difference to gently caress around with doing silly tinkering and making it something that I really really love. I just was checking to make sure there wasn't anything inherently stupid (besides the obvious) in picking the latter option. You seem to be of a like mind in that respect, though, which is good. Anyone have experience doing a 2.0 to 2.5 swap? I'm assuming that would be something Jamal is familiar with.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
Are you talking a full STI swap or just the 2.5 turbo? Pretty much everything (meaning stuff that isn't the motor/directly related bits) is the same except for the front brakes and the fuel pump, I think.

While your at it, get the STI steering rack. It's fantastic.

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Amandyke
Nov 27, 2004

A wha?

The Jabberwocky posted:

Yeah that's basically my thought process. I'm not looking to be particularly economical or whatever. I figure I could spend 35-40k on a new sports car and then more on top of that making it awesome, or I can spend 10k on an older WRX and then have the difference to gently caress around with doing silly tinkering and making it something that I really really love. I just was checking to make sure there wasn't anything inherently stupid (besides the obvious) in picking the latter option. You seem to be of a like mind in that respect, though, which is good. Anyone have experience doing a 2.0 to 2.5 swap? I'm assuming that would be something Jamal is familiar with.

So you mean exactly my car then? I might have some experience in this area... If you're just going to drop a 2.5l in it, pick one up with an already blown motor. Should be rather easy to talk the guy down on price if the motor needs to be replaced.

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