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Lord of the Waffles
Dec 22, 2008

Land of buttermilk and honey.
My contract with ATT is about to run out, and I'd like to upgrade to a nice smartphone from my LG Vu. I wanted to keep it around $70-90 for the plan and $200~ for the phone at most. I also live somewhat near Boston, as for networks I'm not sure what works as I haven't used a data plan before. I'm not sure I could live with a data cap, as I would probably be browsing constantly. Are Verizon's caps really that bad? I'm not sure how much browsing 2GB equates to.

I was looking at the Galaxy S II vs the Evo 3D on Sprint's network, but it looks like there isn't a solid release date (or announcment for which network) for the Galaxy. My contract expires next week, so I need to switch pretty soon (I could potentially be without a cell phone for like a week, I'm not attached to it). Thanks for any suggestions!

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ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Lord of the Waffles posted:

I wanted to keep it around $70-90 for the plan and $200~ for the phone at most.
A 450-500 minute individual plan, unlimted texts, and 2-5 GB of data can be had on all four nationwide carriers (Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile) within that price range.

Lord of the Waffles posted:

Are Verizon's caps really that bad? I'm not sure how much browsing 2GB equates to.
Verizon's move to caps are bad for customers in that there's no benefit to them, they can only make data more expensive. In contrast, AT&T's caps also came with a $5-15/mo price reduction depending on usage. As for the data quantity, the minimum 2 GB is the most data AT&T offers, so Verizon is no worse there.

You can do a lot of browsing with 2 GB/mo. Back when I was using a 3G data stick for my laptop, I was using ~100 MB/day for at least a few hours worth of browsing each day, so it shouldn't be an issue.

However, as soon as you start streaming you may run into problems. Audio streaming isn't too bad, but video streaming will go through your quota pretty quickly.

As for providers, Verizon is capped and starts at 2 GB/mo for $30. AT&T is also capped and ends at 2 GB/mo for $25. T-Mobile has caps now, but they're throttle caps which means there's no cost penalty for exceeding it, but your bandwidth is throttled to the point where you can't stream anything anymore. You should be able to continue basic web browisng through. Sprint is unlimited.

Lord of the Waffles posted:

I was looking at the Galaxy S II vs the Evo 3D on Sprint's network, but it looks like there isn't a solid release date (or announcment for which network) for the Galaxy.
You can import an SGSII for use on AT&T right now if you want, but I wouldn't. I'd go with the Evo 3D on EPRP or possibly the HTC Sensation on T-Mobile. Both are dual-core, qHD resolution devices from a manufacturer with a solid record of making quality Android phones. If you're thinking of Verizon, it's probably worth waiting for the Droid Bionic to come out and see how it does in reviews.

As for the Within or another SGSII device, they're lower resolution than the qHD top-dogs and are lacking the famous DACs that made (hacked) SGS devices sound great. Also, Samsung's support for US devices, particularly CDMA ones, has been historically poor. I suspsect that a good part of the reason why the Within doesn't have an announced release date is because they can't get the thing to work reliably. That's an issue with the pending Gingerbread updates on their existing CDMA phones.

Lord of the Waffles posted:

My contract expires next week, so I need to switch pretty soon (I could potentially be without a cell phone for like a week, I'm not attached to it).
Just to clarify, you don't lose phone service when your contract expires. Everything continues as usual, you're just customer who pays month-to-month. The only reason to sign another contract is for a device upgrade, but you can do that at your convenience.

ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 14, 2011

Lord of the Waffles
Dec 22, 2008

Land of buttermilk and honey.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

Words

Wow! Really informative, thanks. Also, I didn't realize the contract would go to month-to-month. Should probably read the fine print, haha. I didn't even know Sprint's EPRP existed, so I will totally take advantage of that and probably get an Evo 3D. Thanks so much!

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!
Country/Provider: Australia/iiNet (reselling Optus service)

Current contract status: Not on contract

Budget (phone/plan): Will consider all options.

Features I know I want: I have a HTC Desire at the moment, but it has lovely internal storage (512Mb, of which only 1/3rd can be used for apps, etc). Even installing non-important things to SD card I'm constantly running low on space. I want to get a replacement phone with:

- Android. Not interested in WP7 or iPhones.
- A good amount of internal storage. Was considering the HTC Sensation but then found out it's only 1Gb. Not sure if that's enough to avoid a reoccurance of my current woes.
- Hackable (or likely to be hackable in the near future). I like having root access and being able to load on custom ROMs.
- 4" or 4.3" screen is desirable.

As the network is a relatively unimportant thing (especially if I purchase the phone outright), non-Australians are welcome to contribute based on hardware specs alone. Thanks in advance. :)

Pr0phecy
Apr 3, 2006
I need recommendations on a data plan. I have an offer for $30 for 6GB but is it even possible to fill that out in a month? Youtube, SomethingAwful, Porno seem like it would take only ~100 mbs. How can I use 6GB (seriously) on a smartphone?

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!

jassa posted:

Country/Provider: Australia/iiNet (reselling Optus service)

Current contract status: Not on contract

Budget (phone/plan): Will consider all options.

Features I know I want: I have a HTC Desire at the moment, but it has lovely internal storage (512Mb, of which only 1/3rd can be used for apps, etc). Even installing non-important things to SD card I'm constantly running low on space. I want to get a replacement phone with:

- Android. Not interested in WP7 or iPhones.
- A good amount of internal storage. Was considering the HTC Sensation but then found out it's only 1Gb. Not sure if that's enough to avoid a reoccurance of my current woes.
- Hackable (or likely to be hackable in the near future). I like having root access and being able to load on custom ROMs.
- 4" or 4.3" screen is desirable.

As the network is a relatively unimportant thing (especially if I purchase the phone outright), non-Australians are welcome to contribute based on hardware specs alone. Thanks in advance. :)

Ok so I've narrowed it down to the HTC Sensation, the Samsung Galaxy S2 and maybe the Motorola Atrix.

I like the Sensation for the screen size and resolution, but I'm not so eager about the storage - still, 1Gb for apps is a lot compared to 140Mb. The other downside to getting the Sensation is the lack of permanent root at the moment.

The Galaxy S2 looks pretty great in almost every category, except for the resolution. 800 x 480 on a 4.3" screen isn't as appealing as qHD. On the other hand, it's Super AMOLED so that's a plus. On the downside I would have to wait a couple of weeks to get this phone (the others are available immediately).

Then there's the Atrix, which only has a 4" TFT screen and I think a 1Ghz dual-core processor as opposed to the 1.2Ghz dual-cores in the other devices.

Any opinions are welcome. At this rate I'll be paralyzed with indecision until the next Nexus comes out.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Pr0phecy posted:

How can I use 6GB (seriously) on a smartphone?
Streaming video, e.g., Hulu, Netflix, etc.

6 GB is a fairly generous compared to Verizon's 2 GB for $30/mo and AT&T's 2 GB for $25/mo. While you might not use 6 GB/mo, a fair number of folks here do exceed 2 GB with audio and/or video streaming, so that's something worth hedging your bets on if you're interested in streaming content.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

jassa posted:

Ok so I've narrowed it down to the HTC Sensation, the Samsung Galaxy S2 and maybe the Motorola Atrix.
I was just about to post the things you already mentioned.

If /data on the Sensation is 1 GB you're fine honestly. Android apps aren't really getting much bigger, with the exception of games. Part of that is based on other limitations, such as certain phones not being able to download > 30 MB .apks from the Android Market, or Amazon Appstore's (in the US) limit of 20 MB for non-WiFi downloads.

Also, where apps (really games) do get big is in art and other assets, not code. So for those that let you, putting apps on the SD card works fine. For things moved to SD, the only parts that are still stored in /data are code (both bytecode and native libraries) and settings or other user data, which won't really grow much larger.

Another downside of the Sensation is that it has only 768 MB RAM compared to 1 GB on both the SGSII and Atrix. Personally I think 768 MB is adequate, so I wouldn't let that alone be the deciding factor.

Honestly, in the end, it may come down to hackability for you. Traditionally HTC devices have had the best custom ROM support, but it's not there right now until it gets cracked or officially unlocked. Although that's supposed to be coming.

The SGSII has no software locks, you can load up a rooted kernel or custom ROM right out of the box. However, Samsung devices have traditionally been the most difficult to support in source-based custom ROMs (e.g., CyanogenMod) because Samsung sucks at software. Hopefully the SGSII will be a bit better here now that the older SGS has official support in 7.1, Samsung uses fewer proprietary blobs in the SGSII, and they gave a free phone to at least one developer. Still, it may not be up to par with what folks have come to expect with HTC devices. That said, if you're just looking for any custom ROM support, Samsung is fine.

The Atrix is somewhere in the middle. With it's signed bootloader it was a lackluster device, but since the unlocked bootloader leaked for it, there's been a good deal of development interest. Although support for source-based custom ROMs has historically been lacking due to the signature problem, the original US Droid (unlocked Milestone) had great CyanogenMod support, so there's a good deal of potential. Also it has a big honkin' battery relative to screen size.

To be honest, I'm not sure that answered anything.

Natrapx
Jan 13, 2010

The x is for xenogamy
I'm currently looking for an cheapis/entry level Android phone. The best I've found so far to fit my budget is the Wildfire S (Free phone on £20/month) but I've heard that it's got a smallish screen so hard to type on.

I really dont know much about Android phones (have a iPhone 3gs right now, want rid of it) so any ideas would be great!

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!

ExcessBLarg! posted:

I was just about to post the things you already mentioned.

If /data on the Sensation is 1 GB you're fine honestly. Android apps aren't really getting much bigger, with the exception of games. Part of that is based on other limitations, such as certain phones not being able to download > 30 MB .apks from the Android Market, or Amazon Appstore's (in the US) limit of 20 MB for non-WiFi downloads.

Also, where apps (really games) do get big is in art and other assets, not code. So for those that let you, putting apps on the SD card works fine. For things moved to SD, the only parts that are still stored in /data are code (both bytecode and native libraries) and settings or other user data, which won't really grow much larger.

Another downside of the Sensation is that it has only 768 MB RAM compared to 1 GB on both the SGSII and Atrix. Personally I think 768 MB is adequate, so I wouldn't let that alone be the deciding factor.

Honestly, in the end, it may come down to hackability for you. Traditionally HTC devices have had the best custom ROM support, but it's not there right now until it gets cracked or officially unlocked. Although that's supposed to be coming.

The SGSII has no software locks, you can load up a rooted kernel or custom ROM right out of the box. However, Samsung devices have traditionally been the most difficult to support in source-based custom ROMs (e.g., CyanogenMod) because Samsung sucks at software. Hopefully the SGSII will be a bit better here now that the older SGS has official support in 7.1, Samsung uses fewer proprietary blobs in the SGSII, and they gave a free phone to at least one developer. Still, it may not be up to par with what folks have come to expect with HTC devices. That said, if you're just looking for any custom ROM support, Samsung is fine.

The Atrix is somewhere in the middle. With it's signed bootloader it was a lackluster device, but since the unlocked bootloader leaked for it, there's been a good deal of development interest. Although support for source-based custom ROMs has historically been lacking due to the signature problem, the original US Droid (unlocked Milestone) had great CyanogenMod support, so there's a good deal of potential. Also it has a big honkin' battery relative to screen size.

To be honest, I'm not sure that answered anything.

I may not be any closer to deciding on which phone to go with, but at least I'm better educated! Seriously, thanks for that, I was looking for an overview like that but every thread is so specialised over on XDA-Devs which makes it tricky to get the full picture. :)

Inverse square
Jan 21, 2008
Ah but you see I was an 06 lurker

kalibar posted:

The vast majority of us are in the United States and aren't familiar with gaming your country's (likely corrupt) providers for the best value. Trying to do so over here is practically a full-time job and it's wrought with intricacy.

Get a Nexus S, everything else is lovely right now. Get it on whatever carrier will give you the best pricing for your usage patterns.

This is pretty universal advice and everyone should probably read it.
Aight, thanks anyway. Nexus S is pretty drat far outside of my range though.

Inverse square fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jul 15, 2011

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

After running the gamut on phone sizes, I think the 4.0" screen is a good place to be. 3.7-3.8 is a little small, and 4.3 feels like you're packing a TV in your pocket.

The problem is screens. AMOLED+ is the motherfucking truth, but PenTile (S)AMOLED and S-LCD are all that's available at sizes below 4.3". I'm leaning toward just putting up with PenTile again and getting a Nexus S for AT&T. Picked up a Droid Charge on Verizon a week ago and I love the AMOLED+ (even if it is too big), but in a hilarious twist of fate their network is absolutely awful in northern Colorado and the phone hasn't had enough time with the XDA community to have its Samsung Disease adequately subdued so I'll probably end up returning it before my remorse period is up.

Uncle Ivan
Aug 31, 2001
Nah. I thought 4.0" was where it was at until I got a 4.3" qHD. That's where it's at. 3.7" is completely inadequate for touch keyboards, 4.0" is better, and 4.3" is much better. I think something like 4.5" would be ideal.

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!
So qHD is really that big a step up over 800x480?

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

Uncle Ivan posted:

Nah. I thought 4.0" was where it was at until I got a 4.3" qHD. That's where it's at. 3.7" is completely inadequate for touch keyboards, 4.0" is better, and 4.3" is much better. I think something like 4.5" would be ideal.
Firmly disagree. The iPhone's screen is 3.5" and typing is more precise on it than any of our Android clusterfucks. If I'm Google, I've gotta be raging at HTC and Samsung for consistently sourcing lovely imprecise digitizers on their touchscreens so that people think they need a pocket telvision for reliable typing. Switching between an HTC Evo and an iPhone (any generation) is a comical experience because typing on the iPhone is still somehow easier in spite of the Evo's massive onscreen targets. Google's hardware partners are simply letting them down on this one.

qHD is neat, but the quality differential between AMOLED+ and the LCDs that HTC are shipping right now is so blatant that I'll personally take the 60x160 hit. More's always better, but once phones got to VGA and larger I was happy enough. A hypothetical future AMOLED+ qHD screen would be worth a new smartphone purchase, though.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

jassa posted:

So qHD is really that big a step up over 800x480?
It can be. For example, a qHD (960x540) SLCD screen has 69% more horizontal subpixels, twice as many overall subpixels, compared to the original 800x480 AMOLED pentile screens found on the Nexus One/S and the SGS line. This makes zoomed-out text far more readable in portrait orientation. Landscape doesn't make as much of a difference.

kalibar posted:

Firmly disagree.
So someone with small, nimble, precise fingers probably does better on a 4.0" screen than Mr. Fat Fingers on a 4.3" screen. Although I agree that 4.3" feels large in other aspects.

What's up with the digitizers on the Nexus line then? Google couldn't even demand their OEMs get better ones? Or is it really a patent issue?

Edit: Flubbed my horizontal pixel math, it's 69% more not 40%.

ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jul 15, 2011

Quebec Bagnet
Apr 28, 2009

mess with the honk
you get the bonk
Lipstick Apathy

ExcessBLarg! posted:

It can be. For example, a qHD (960x540) SLCD screen has 40% more horizontal subpixels, twice as many overall subpixels, compared to the original 800x480 AMOLED pentile screens found on the Nexus One/S and the SGS line. This makes zoomed-out text far more readable in portrait orientation. Landscape doesn't make as much of a difference.

Even on a PenTile screen like the Atrix?

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

bear shark posted:

Even on a PenTile screen like the Atrix?
No, it's just 12% more horizontal subpixels, 35% more overall, both largely a function of the increased resolution. However it's not a direct comparison as Motrola's RGBW pentile includes a white pixel, which should increase sharpness on black & white text over the AMOLED RGBG setup.

The general point is that there's more to phone screens than just the advertised resolution, display technology has just as much of an impact. Some folks will just have to go to a store and checkout HTC, Samsung, and Motorola screens side-by-side to see how they look.

Although for anyone looking to take the Pepsi challenge here, try to look beyond AMOLED's crazy-saturated colors and look at things like text sharpness at multiple text sizes and such. Folks tend to be drawn into AMOLED's OMG color initially and don't realize the downsides until after a purchase. While I personally still prefer pentile AMOLED to SLCD, I recognize it has a big weakness in tiny text. Also, AMOLED+ isn't pentile so doesn't have the text problem. It's also weird in that it's lower resolution than pentile RGBW qHD, but has more subpixels.

Sorry, this is confusing poo poo.

jassa
Nov 7, 2005

"He's so awesome!"
He really is!
I've decided to get a Galaxy S II when they're released through Telstra here in Australia in 10 days time. Super AMOLED plus does seem like a big enough deal to trump the Sensation's qHD display, especially when combined with all the other features. The slightly more limited range of custom ROMs is a bit of a downside but apparently the Cyanogenmod guys have been working on bringing it to the S II for 2-3 months now, so presumably it's not too far off.

The next step will be seeing how valuable my business is to Telstra. I'm sure I'll end up with them one way or another but since I'll be a new customer I may as well milk that for all it's worth. I'm hoping to barter for a slightly cheaper plan, or more data included, or something.

Thanks again for all the advice so far, ExcessBLarg! :)

Uncle Ivan
Aug 31, 2001

kalibar posted:

Firmly disagree. The iPhone's screen is 3.5" and typing is more precise on it than any of our Android clusterfucks. If I'm Google, I've gotta be raging at HTC and Samsung for consistently sourcing lovely imprecise digitizers on their touchscreens so that people think they need a pocket telvision for reliable typing. Switching between an HTC Evo and an iPhone (any generation) is a comical experience because typing on the iPhone is still somehow easier in spite of the Evo's massive onscreen targets. Google's hardware partners are simply letting them down on this one.

qHD is neat, but the quality differential between AMOLED+ and the LCDs that HTC are shipping right now is so blatant that I'll personally take the 60x160 hit. More's always better, but once phones got to VGA and larger I was happy enough. A hypothetical future AMOLED+ qHD screen would be worth a new smartphone purchase, though.

Fair enough. I'm 6'5" with large hands so probably not the average demographic. Still love huge screens.

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

Nothing is a given, re: CyanogenMod on Samsung hardware. For as much of a Samsung defender as I am, I wouldn't make that purchase if CM support was even remotely important to me. Even the SGS1 phones still don't have official stable CM7 builds, just experimental ports of it and are often missing huge features of the device (e.g. camera, GPS, etc.). HTC's historical and ongoing relationship with the aftermarket development community is simply too strong to ignore on this one -- I'd be going with a Sensation for sure, unless S-AMOLED+ is more important to you than timely, functional, mature CM. Sure, Samsung's shipping GS II's to developers and pretending it's important to them, but do you want to trust a company that has repeatedly demonstrated that it gives no gently caress?

I'm definitely surprised at how many people either can't see or aren't bothered by PenTile configurations. If you actually can't see the "screen door" effect on 4.0" screens, you should probably get your vision checked. If you can see it and think it doesn't bother you, try spending a week with a larger non-PenTile display that has the same 480x800 resolution and set the Android browser's zoom level to "far." You'll notice that on 4.3" screens it's quite readable and that you can fit a ton on each page. Then, try doing the same thing on a PenTile WVGA display. That's the proof: you're absolutely getting a screen with less useful resolution when you settle for PenTile. For a lot of people who are only casually interested in smartphones, it's going to be fine. For me, it feels frustrating because we're not as far removed from the 320x480 screens of a couple years ago as I'd like to be if we're rocking PenTile WVGA.

Regardless, it breaks my heart to see people buying the Moto Atrix/Droid X2. That phone has an awful screen, no unique specs (the Verizon version didn't even bother with LTE, for poo poo's sake), and is basically a worse product than the Sensation and GS II in every way possible. I think as long as you pick one of those two phones, you're doing alright for the next generation. The best overall pick is probably still a Nexus S, but I can appreciate that people might want some newer hardware.

kbar fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jul 16, 2011

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

kalibar posted:

Nothing is a given, re: CyanogenMod on Samsung hardware. For as much of a Samsung defender as I am, I wouldn't make that purchase if CM support was even remotely important to me. Even the SGS1 phones still don't have official stable CM7 builds, just experimental ports of it and are often missing huge features of the device (e.g. camera, GPS, etc.). HTC's historical and ongoing relationship with the aftermarket development community is simply too strong to ignore on this one -- I'd be going with a Sensation for sure, unless S-AMOLED+ is more important to you than timely, functional, mature CM. Sure, Samsung's shipping GS II's to developers and pretending it's important to them, but do you want to trust a company that has repeatedly demonstrated that it gives no gently caress?

I'm definitely surprised at how many people either can't see or aren't bothered by PenTile configurations. If you actually can't see the "screen door" effect on 4.0" screens, you should probably get your vision checked. If you can see it and think it doesn't bother you, try spending a week with a larger non-PenTile display that has the same 480x800 resolution and set the Android browser's zoom level to "far." You'll notice that on 4.3" screens it's quite readable and that you can fit a ton on each page. Then, try doing the same thing on a PenTile WVGA display. That's the proof: you're absolutely getting a screen with less useful resolution when you settle for PenTile. For a lot of people who are only casually interested in smartphones, it's going to be fine. For me, it feels frustrating because we're not as far removed from the 320x480 screens of a couple years ago as I'd like to be if we're rocking PenTile WVGA.

Regardless, it breaks my heart to see people buying the Moto Atrix/Droid X2. That phone has an awful screen, no unique specs (the Verizon version didn't even bother with LTE, for poo poo's sake), and is basically a worse product than the Sensation and GS II in every way possible. I think as long as you pick one of those two phones, you're doing alright for the next generation. The best overall pick is probably still a Nexus S, but I can appreciate that people might want some newer hardware.

Is there a version of the Sensation on AT&T or Verizon? For people who need one of those 2 carriers, the Sensation on TMobile isn't exactly an option (unless it has ATT 3G and I missed that).

In terms of pure hardware I can see what you are saying, and I agree the Droid 2 with no LTE is retarded. But still, some people (myself included) either don't care or in my case can't really tell the difference in screen quality at this point. And heck, for instance in many cases HTC tends to have phones with weaker hardware and "specs" than Samsung, but yet in the same instance are more stable with less bugs. For people not looking to unlock and mod their phones, is sacrificing hardware quality for stability the worst thing? Of course, that could also be your point with recommending the Nexus S.

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
Edit: NVM read the pre-paid thread.

cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jul 16, 2011

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

Duckman2008 posted:

Is there a version of the Sensation on AT&T or Verizon? For people who need one of those 2 carriers, the Sensation on TMobile isn't exactly an option (unless it has ATT 3G and I missed that).
Yeah weird, it's almost as if you shouldn't be signing a contract with a massive ETF attached to it at all until there's a good smartphone out.

I'm only partly teasing. Pretty much every contract signing scenario on AT&T right now has you in a no-win situation: Inspire, Infuse, and iPhone 4 are the kingpins, and they're all last year's hardware and won't net you market value that comes close to justifying the lock-in. The best you could do on an AT&T deal right now is to buy your 850/1900 Nexus S unlocked and then try to maximize your subsidy value by flipping whatever phone holds the best resale relative to its cost. It's probably still the iPhone 4, but you'd be taking a bath relative to waiting for the next iPhone and flipping it on launch day.

Verizon is a similar case, but really if you missed unlimited data you shouldn't be going Verizon until further notice. LTE 700 is the motherfucking truth, but if you've only got 2 gigs of it to burn you'd might as well pay less money (way less if you have an employer discount which Verizon no longer applies to data) to burn your 2 gigs more slowly on HSPA+ elsewhere.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Pr0phecy posted:

I need recommendations on a data plan. I have an offer for $30 for 6GB but is it even possible to fill that out in a month? Youtube, SomethingAwful, Porno seem like it would take only ~100 mbs. How can I use 6GB (seriously) on a smartphone?

Are you in Canada?

If so, the question is not whether you'll use 6gb but whether you'll use 500mb, as that's the next tier down.

(The question also applies elsewhere of course, but the next tier down might be different.)

Elwood P. Dowd
Oct 13, 2005

Jimmy Stewart would approve
Okay, I am planning on ditching my personal phone because right now I carry around a personal and a work phone and that's lame. My company pays the plan and part of the cost of the phone for any work phone I get and it's no problem for me to use it for personal use as well.

It's important to me to have good email functionality (preferably able to keep personal and work emails separate), good calendar functionality, and everything is else secondary. I run microsoft outlook 07 on my work computer and will probably continue to run microsoft's email/calendar programs in the future.

Am I correct that Windows Phone 7 is probably my best bet here, or would Android do me well? Price being no object, what's the best phone I can get? Not really into gimmicky poo poo. We use Sprint as our corporate carrier. In Ohio. Edit: it appears that the HTC Arrive is the only phone that would be available to me on Windows Phone 7.

Elwood P. Dowd fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jul 18, 2011

Godzilla07
Oct 4, 2008

Windows Phone 7 does not support straight-up Outlook syncing. Yes, you are reading this correctly. You have to do a workaround for it listed here and I'm not sure if it's a push or pull connection. Android will do it if you have an HTC phone and install HTC Sync.

Your best option on Sprint is probably an Evo 3D. Windows Phone 7 does have promise but I don't think I'd trust Microsoft too much. Android will do in this case, since HTC Sync will let you sync with Outlook on your desktop easily. The Evo 3D is still the best phone on Sprint even if you take that out of the equation, unless you're willing to make a pretty big sacrifice for the Nexus S and its niche benefits. Plus at this point, you have apps to do whatever you'd like on Android. Third-party development is sparse for Windows Phone 7 right now, and I wouldn't expect any traction for at least a few more months.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Godzilla07 posted:

Windows Phone 7 does not support straight-up Outlook syncing. Yes, you are reading this correctly. You have to do a workaround for it listed here and I'm not sure if it's a push or pull connection. Android will do it if you have an HTC phone and install HTC Sync.

Your best option on Sprint is probably an Evo 3D. Windows Phone 7 does have promise but I don't think I'd trust Microsoft too much. Android will do in this case, since HTC Sync will let you sync with Outlook on your desktop easily. The Evo 3D is still the best phone on Sprint even if you take that out of the equation, unless you're willing to make a pretty big sacrifice for the Nexus S and its niche benefits. Plus at this point, you have apps to do whatever you'd like on Android. Third-party development is sparse for Windows Phone 7 right now, and I wouldn't expect any traction for at least a few more months.

I would add a few things:

Nexus S isn't my favorite business phone. The stock email app lacks SEARCH via email, and it drives me up the drat wall. Honestly, it sounds so small, but for work purposes it is such a loving necessity I ended up buying Touchdown for my stock Android ROM.

I will say the up side to the Arrive over the 3D is how nice, simple and easy it is to use. I really think Microsoft has a chance to eat Blackberrys lunch on the business side, and I personally have found Windows Phone to be very business friendly. That is not to say Android is unfriendly at all, just that its worth considering. The best phone is definitely the 3D, but Windows is a pretty neat darkhorse.

princecoo
Sep 3, 2009
•Country/Provider: Australia/Telstra (Must be Telstra because of regional coverage)


•Current contract status: None. I had a pre-paid LG flip phone that I eventually threw in a creek because it was a piece of poo poo.


•Budget (phone/plan): I'm happy to pay up to $50 a month for a plan.


•Features I know I want:

Well, I really like my fiances HTC Desire. Problem is, it seems to me that its battery sucks up power like nobodies business. My iPod Touch has outstanding battery life, and I already use it as an organiser when needed.
To be brutally honest, what I'd actually like is an MP3 player that can make phonecalls.

I'm open to any kind of smartphone suggestions, as long as it's easy to use, has really good battery life between recharges and is above all, reliable.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

princecoo posted:

To be brutally honest, what I'd actually like is an MP3 player that can make phonecalls.
iPhone. Can't beat its out-of-the-box reliability and user experience. Especially if you're already into iTunes.

If you're not tied into the iTunes DRM stuff, you could consider picking up a used Samsung Galaxy S I9000. It has a really-good sounding Wolfson WM8994 DAC that folks recommend along with 16 GB of internal storage and a micro-SD slot, so you can load it up with a 32 GB card and get 48 GB of total storage. However, you'll have to hack the device as it's both laggy and the out-of-box audio quality is subpar. Project Voodoo is aftermarket software that both fixes the lag issue and vastly improves the sound quality. It might be a good option for you if you're willing to invest the time to get it to run properly, but that's in contrast to your desire of a reliable out-of-the-box experience.

Note the recently-released (perhaps upcoming in your market) Galaxy S II does not have the Wolfson DAC, and I think is generally regarded as having inferior sound quality even though it's a better overall device. Which is why I suggest going for a used first-gen Galaxy S since folks will be dumping them once the SGSII hits your market.

The Google Nexus S also has the Wolfson DAC, but it has no micro-SD slot so you're limited to 16 GB of storage. It's generally preferred over the SGS for other purposes though, namely as a Google device it gets software updates quickly. Still, it's probably not as reliable as an iPhone out-of-the-box.

Godzilla07
Oct 4, 2008

I'd only recommend a used Galaxy S if you can't afford an iPhone 4 and need a phone right this minute. Save up for the iPhone or something. The music experience as a whole on Android is just subpar. I've used every Android music player under the sun and none of them have come close to the iOS music player in terms of ease of use and features. PowerAMP has features, but that UI is equivalent to a bad Winamp skin from 2000. Google Music and DoubleTwist look nice enough, but don't have gapless.

However if you are lured by the siren song of that great 4'' S-AMOLED display on the Galaxy S, can't afford an iPhone at the moment and need a phone right this minute, you will have to invest time into it. It's a bit more effort than jailbreaking your device and throwing on a WinterBoard theme. In addition to that, you'll still have to deal with some nice bugs because Samsung loves to keep Galaxy S users on its toes.

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

Oh my, ExcessBLarg! is a man after my own heart. ;-*

While it's true that the SGS phones are tops for music, I don't think I've ever seen another person with one in the real world that went to the effort to load up a reasonable rooted ROM and a Voodoo kernel. They just use the horribly lovely Samsung lovely lovely poo poo and then bitch their heads off about how "glitchy" the phone is. It's a fascinating demographic mismatch. They should literally force you to answer a 20-question quiz at >90% accuracy to verify that you're not better-suited for an iPhone or an HTC, that you'll be able to get to XDA, that you can dick with Odin, and that you can flash a bunch of bullshit before even selling you the phone.

I had Voodoo going on my Vibrant (T-Mo) and was pretty much the happiest I've ever been with a cellphone: this includes the venerable 3GS. I wholeheartedly disagree with Godzilla; I'm a PowerAMP bro, I love that it includes every feature you could ever need, I love drag/dropping my songs wirelessly thanks to SwiFTP, and I find PowerAMP completely palatable visually after you disable the features you don't intend to use.

The fact is that the Nexus S would be an easy kingpin for the market at large if not for that 16GB-only bullshit. I was actually considering dropping Verizon during my remorse period and going to AT&T to roll with Google Music on a Nexus S (effectively solving the 16GB problem), but GMusic is no friend of AT&T's data caps and is still (rightfully) buggy as gently caress right now anyway -- I'm finding myself sticking with PowerAMP most of the time.

All that said, yeah, princecoo you need to buy an iPhone and save yourself the hassle.

Elwood P. Dowd
Oct 13, 2005

Jimmy Stewart would approve
Duckman and Godzilla, thanks for the replies. Unfortunately I was quick to get to the phone because I was sick of my four year old hand-me-down blackberry and got the Arrive. However, I really like the functionality of the phone and discovered the workaround. It also appears that Windows Live Mail has most of the functions of Outlook that I use and also has a sync option with Outlook somehow. Exploring the possibilities currently; hoping not to be disappointed. The idea of being able to sync my work emails with my work computer, phone and home computer is enticing since I'm basically always at work.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Elwood P. Dowd posted:

Duckman and Godzilla, thanks for the replies. Unfortunately I was quick to get to the phone because I was sick of my four year old hand-me-down blackberry and got the Arrive. However, I really like the functionality of the phone and discovered the workaround. It also appears that Windows Live Mail has most of the functions of Outlook that I use and also has a sync option with Outlook somehow. Exploring the possibilities currently; hoping not to be disappointed. The idea of being able to sync my work emails with my work computer, phone and home computer is enticing since I'm basically always at work.

The Arrive is a good phone, so for the most part you shouldn't be disappointed.

princecoo
Sep 3, 2009
Thanks so much guys, the Galaxy S wasn't even on my radar and really gave me something to consider. I'm quite happy to gently caress about with it to get the most out of it. I'll pop into my local dealer and see if they have one; if not I'll just grab an iPhone and I'm sure I'll be just as pleased with it, judging by your replies.

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
Country/Provider: USA/AT&T

Current contract status: Family Plan. I am eligible for an upgrade in about a month.

Budget (phone/plan): Willing to spend up to $100/keeping the same plan

Features I know I want: I don't want a smart phone. I can't afford the data and since I sit in front of a computer most of the day I don't see it being practical. I would like a QWERTY keyboard. Right now I have a $15 texting plan but in the next month or so moving up to unlimited texting ($20).

Right now I have a Samsung Impression and it's probably on its last legs. I've had it for a year and a half but there were two months where I was abroad and didn't touch it. In the last 6 months the touch screen has broken twice. I don't see it lasting much longer. Because this phone has been such a hassle I'd like to avoid Samsung if possible.

rearadmiral.rowboat
Apr 11, 2009

And ev'ry last inch of me's covered with HAIR!

Rupert Buttermilk posted:

I didn't know what Ice Cream Sandwich was, so I Google'd it, and I think their whole line of dessert-based updates are so very :3:

As for what I would need, it wouldn't be the absolute latest in mobile tech, but something that I can develop apps for that isn't 2-3 years behind and super slow. I'm thinking a Nexus might do the trick. Some of the plans through Koodo look fantastic. For example, for $5 more than what I'm paying now (so, $35), I would get minutes that I could use, as well as unlimited evenings and weekends, and not only unlimited texts, but also unlimited picture messages, which Virgin currently charges me for.

So, even if I don't go for a smart phone for now, I'm definitely switching to Koodo.

I'm on koodo now and even though I plan to switch to Mobilicity, I recommend it. It has good prices and no contracts, and you can get the nexus S for cheaper there than through other carriers unless you get a contract.

Mobilicity just has better rates and good coverage where I spend 98% of my time (DT Toronto).

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

mariooncrack posted:

Features I know I want: I don't want a smart phone. I can't afford the data and since I sit in front of a computer most of the day I don't see it being practical. I would like a QWERTY keyboard. Right now I have a $15 texting plan but in the next month or so moving up to unlimited texting ($20).
If you wanted to gently caress with Google Voice, you could drop $15 texting and replace it with $15 for 200MB data. A lot of people do this (myself included) to great success, and you'll have enough data to look up directions/traffic, receive all the GV SMS and pushed Gmail you could want, and do a surprising amount of light browsing. Just avoid video streaming unless you're on WiFi.

I dunno. That's what I'd do, anyway.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
This is a 90 pages long thread, and I'm sure it's been answered before, but I'm looking for a good/cheap plan withouth phone or contract with these things:

-GSM
-No contract
-Lots of texts
-Unlimited or pretty high data
-Not a lot of minutes needed. 300/500?
-Good coverage in the Orlando, FL area.

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Godzilla07
Oct 4, 2008

Virgin Mobile's Beyond Talk would be great for you, but you need GSM. T-Mobile does have a month-to-month plan under "Monthly4G" which is $70/month for unlimited minutes, texts, and supposedly unlimited data which is probably 5 GB. Unfortunately you can't get this without the unlimited minutes.

T-Mobile's coverage in Orlando is pretty good. I've never really had a problem with it; it's better than Sprint which is okay around here and AT&T which just sucks.

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