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Authorman posted:Good Words Well gently caress me Amadeus, I knew poo poo was bad, but seeing it like that really hammers home exactly how hosed up everything really is.
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# ? Jul 13, 2011 12:32 |
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Authorman posted:Did this post in another thread that will probably be gassed or not read by anyone so I will repost this here in the good thread.
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# ? Jul 13, 2011 20:47 |
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I've been inspired recently to write to Kenny Zulu Whitmore (by a comedy podcast of all things) and was wondering if anyone in the thread would like me to ask him anything on their behalf in my letter or could suggest any good reading material concerning him or the angola 3 to help educate me. http://www.freezulu.blogspot.com seems to have his most up to date information if you want to write, as well as links to his website and various other prison related initiatives.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 05:22 |
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/us-prison-blacks-idUSTRE76D71920110714 goon white guilt spin assemble!!!!
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 07:04 |
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moker posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/us-prison-blacks-idUSTRE76D71920110714 Yeah, and slaves were probably safer too(which is what our prison system is .btw.) Your Point? Furthermore, Whites keep Blacks from basic education on drugs and alcohol.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 07:05 |
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moker posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/us-prison-blacks-idUSTRE76D71920110714 quote:Researchers say it's not the first time a study has found lower death rates among certain groups of inmates -- particularly disadvantaged people, who might get protection against violent injuries and murder. So basically it's not that the prison system is great, it's that society at large is that loving awful.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 07:13 |
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Pope Guilty posted:So basically it's not that the prison system is great, it's that society at large is that loving awful. Well, except for you and D&D activist goons of course lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 07:15 |
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So are you just here to troll or what.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 07:45 |
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moker posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/us-prison-blacks-idUSTRE76D71920110714 Obviously we need to make prisons worse. We can't have these subhumans having a decent life, now can we? Think of the Children!
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 08:50 |
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Slaan posted:Think of the Children! If they really did, the The prison/justice system is very much like the health care system: preferring to deal with the symptoms (expensively), rather than prevent the cause cheaply through education and counselling. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Jul 15, 2011 |
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I'm sure if you looked at the gulags, Stalin tended to imprison ethnic minorities at greater rates than average too. Not that it makes it any less abhorrent, obviously.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 16:31 |
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I've looked into it some, and it does appear to be pretty equally spread. But that said, it's not possible to make an analysis all groups will agree too, because A) The soviet union was extremely ethnically diverse, so it's hard to single out a majority to make the case for "targeting" jews, arabs, tadjiks etc. and B) It is pretty clear that the Stalin-era Soviet Union had no real ethnic bias, in comparison to many other modern nations or empires they had no compunction jailing members of the largest ethnic groups if they were considered ideological or political enemies.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 17:00 |
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If I recall it the mass internal deportations and labor camps and what have you for undesired ethnic and other demographic groups were handled by other agencies and were outside of the gulag system proper. Mostly they did this to smaller "anti-Soviet" (read non-Russian) nationalities like ethnic Poles, Finns, Germans, and so on, shipping millions of them off east where a great many died from starvation or disease. Even in the actual client republics where they obviously couldn't just ship everyone to Siberia, there was a lot of very ethnic-based maneuverings. Khrushchev joked that they only didn't deport the Ukrainians since there were so many of them, but in reality under Stalin they sure made sure any ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia got shipped off to Ukraine "where they belonged." A major function of military conscription was ethnic control: get the young men of this republic on bases and shipped thousands of miles from home with limited military training and plenty of propaganda push to prevent nationalist troublemaking at home, while the Russian troops were given better training, better trust, and posts where they'd be there if one of those mentioned other republics had any uprisings. All of this, of course, does nothing to make the US prison system any better, but the Soviet Union's ethnic divides not having the exact same interplay with income and geography doesn't mean they weren't intensely there.
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# ? Jul 15, 2011 17:56 |
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When the Daily loving Mail is publishing a positive story about a prison that treats its inmates as people, the world is surely a stranger and stranger place to live in. Norway's controversial 'cushy prison' experiment - could it catch on in the UK? quote:Can a prison possibly justify treating its inmates with saunas, sunbeds and deckchairs if that prison has the lowest reoffending rate in Europe? Live reports from Norway on the penal system that runs contrary to all our instincts - but achieves everything we could wish for.
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# ? Jul 16, 2011 03:31 |
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Hell yes. This needs to be spread as far as possible!
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# ? Jul 17, 2011 17:15 |
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Tias posted:Hell yes. This needs to be spread as far as possible! Good luck convincing people blinded by hate and a desire to punish that not being hateful and punitive costs less and works better. There are people who would literally rather spend more money, more time, and not make people rehabilitated, instead keeping them hosed up, a burden on society and harmful to each other, just because they think it's bad to be 'soft on crime.' These people are not some tiny minority either, at least where I live - Florida, USA.
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# ? Jul 19, 2011 04:53 |
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I know it will be hard, but.. well, would we rather that our fellow men and women suffer horribly forever? It's not like sensible and kind people are not coming to blows with the state already.
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# ? Jul 19, 2011 10:25 |
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What gets me is that it's more humane, cheaper, and minimizes recidivism. Unless you are a horrible brutality fetishist- and that's not at all uncommon in our society- there is literally no downside. Hell, you can still get the brutality, as the article notes that the traditional closed prisons are still there, and being sent to them is apparently such a punishment that it serves as an effective deterrent within Bastoy.
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# ? Jul 19, 2011 14:17 |
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2banks1swap.avi posted:Good luck convincing people blinded by hate and a desire to punish that not being hateful and punitive costs less and works better. This is very true, and is usually a point I pick at when I have conversations with the more Conservative friends I have. If you can actually get them to engage in a little thought experiment wherein a hypothetical "resort" style prison has a zero percent recidivism rate, they will STILL prefer a harsh punitive prison that has a much higher rate. Then you get them to see that they care more about inflicting harm on a person than they do about acually protecting themselves and others from crime. It works a little, if they trust you enough to go down that road with you.
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Manifest Dynasty posted:This is very true, and is usually a point I pick at when I have conversations with the more Conservative friends I have. If you can actually get them to engage in a little thought experiment wherein a hypothetical "resort" style prison has a zero percent recidivism rate, they will STILL prefer a harsh punitive prison that has a much higher rate. Then you get them to see that they care more about inflicting harm on a person than they do about acually protecting themselves and others from crime. It works a little, if they trust you enough to go down that road with you. They want to be bullies but are too weak to actually be bullies so they use the power of the state to do it for them. If you pry a little further you will also uncover that they hold some very hosed up views about morality and the role of punishment, quite similar to one a lot of Christians hold. Ie. the idea that "were it not for God's punishment / horrible prison conditions, I'd murder and rape and commit all sorts of horrible crimes because I could get away with it!".
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# ? Jul 19, 2011 18:39 |
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On the 26th the EEOC is addressing guidelines on how employers can use criminal history. The background check industry is planning on having its voice heard, of course. More than one in four Americans have criminal histories that show up on employer background checks, for more on that check out the report 65 Million Need Not Apply quote:More than one in four U.S. adults— roughly 65 million people— have an arrest or conviction that shows up in a routine criminal background check. According to this new report from the National Employment Law Project, these Americans face unprecedented barriers to employment. With the rapidly expanding use of background checks, employers are routinely, and often illegally, excluding all job applicants who have criminal records from consideration, no matter how minor or dated their offenses. Highlighting the widespread use of blanket no-hire policies, the report provides numerous examples of online job ads posted on craigslist, including some by major corporations, that effectively bar significant portions of the U.S. population from work opportunities.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 04:27 |
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Edit: Wrong thread
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 04:34 |
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But if we hire criminals, they might be able to make a go of things outside prison! Don't you understand how wrong that is?
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 13:38 |
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Here in FL, our recent budget contained provisions for privatizing 18 prisons. However, the implementation has met an unexpected roadblock in the form of a lawsuit from the prison guard's union.quote:Tallahassee, FL (AP) - A union representing correctional officers is suing to block implementation of a state budget provision that would privatize 18 prison facilities in South Florida. And thanks to a comment on that article, the money trail is clear as day - and it's an interesting look at how even Florida Republicans are getting sick of the plutocracy. quote:Geo Group gave the largest single contribution to the RPF last year. They are in the business of operating private prisons and private healthcare (Geo Care). JD Alexander (R-Lake Wales) inserted the private prison language into the Senate budget on his own without any input from anybody-except Rick Scott and the like. It's so plain to see what is happening that it should make some people question. I am a registered lifelong republican socially speaking, but this is just plain corporate cronyism. Florida residents are much better off with State Officers keeping convicted (some very violent) felons behind the fence and not some corporate entity acountable to no one except their shareholders. What little savings , if any, is not worth the risk. Think private Highway Patrol or municipal police. OK I feel better now! Good Night.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 16:25 |
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HidingFromGoro posted:65 Million Need Not Apply I have a degree in accounting, graduated cum laude, passed the CPA exam on my first go paid out-of-pocket, engage in local amateur sports leagues, run my own business, do not do drugs, and I have a misdemeanor conviction from 2006. The misdemeanor conviction from five years ago resulted in three days in jail and a $400 fine. Since then, though, I have not been able to get a job that had a background check. At first I wrote it off as bad interviewing and application skills, but the observable trend after all of these years and applying to probably hundreds of jobs in my field of study? If there is a background check involved, I did not get hired. I even would preempt the check and come forth with my history at the scent of a background check, and that's the last I hear from the company. It really, really sucks. Without fail, every single job I have applied for that had no background check or never asked me about my criminal history resulted in a hire. It is the job I have today that didn't ask me about my criminal history that I just celebrated my three-year anniversary with. This is the only additional proof I really have that my applications get tossed once my background becomes illuminated. If I landed an accounting job that investigated my background then I would be able to discount the trend I've observed. I was sentenced to three days and $400. I was not sentenced to that plus years without a job using the skills I've honed in college. I qualify to apply for having my record sealed this fall - I really hope it goes through.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 21:41 |
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Doesn't that still make it come up but just say "expunged" next to it?
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:03 |
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Orange Devil posted:Doesn't that still make it come up but just say "expunged" next to it? Michigan.gov Courts Website posted:"Setting Aside a Conviction" Defined: I hope that it is precisely what it appears to be. If not then I'm going back to tending bar to make my money. At least then I get to party like a fat-cat CPA.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:27 |
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Read it and weep: ALEC pushed bad juvenile polices for 25 years quote:The Center for Media and Democracy’s ( http://www.prwatch.org/ ) “ALEC Exposed” page contains an eye-opening roster of how bad prison and juvenile justice legislation took off like wildfire around the country beginning in the 1980s. The Center obtained more than 800 pieces of “model legislation” circulated to lawmakers by the secretive, corporate/lobby-funded American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), including many concerning prison and juvenile justice policy. Those interested in laws like Proposition 21 might want to compare the law’s provisions with models earlier advanced by ALEC.
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# ? Jul 23, 2011 06:40 |
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HidingFromGoro posted:On the 26th the EEOC is addressing guidelines on how employers can use criminal history. The background check industry is planning on having its voice heard, of course. I get clients at least once a month wondering why their potential employer thinks they were convicted of something that was dismissed or they were found not guilty of.
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# ? Jul 23, 2011 07:07 |
19 o'clock posted:I have a degree in accounting, graduated cum laude, passed the CPA exam on my first go paid out-of-pocket, engage in local amateur sports leagues, run my own business, do not do drugs, and I have a misdemeanor conviction from 2006.
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# ? Jul 24, 2011 03:34 |
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I can't speak for the US, but in Australia a background check doesn't name the crime at all. You get a 'yes' or 'no' to whether the person had been convicted of anything in the last ten years and that's it. So the crime itself is immaterial; murder, rape or too many parking tickets - all will ensure you don't get that job.
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Gorilla Salad posted:I can't speak for the US, but in Australia a background check doesn't name the crime at all. You get a 'yes' or 'no' to whether the person had been convicted of anything in the last ten years and that's it. In the US I'm nearly 100% sure it does name the crime. I just got an accounting job with a record (PI) and didn't feel like I was disqualified from too many jobs because of it. Now if he had a misdemeanor theft, then there was a really good chance he was denied because of it.
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# ? Jul 24, 2011 07:43 |
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Harry posted:Well what was the crime? It matters a lot. In short: got piss wasted with some fellow goons and tried closing the deal with a female bar patron on my buddy's porch. This was after pissing off a police officer by ignoring him multiple times when told to go home (he had caught me and the lady making out on a car hood). My background check comes up with "lewd, lascivious, immoral conduct." Really awesome to try and explain that one away. Even to take the CPA Exam I had to write a three page essay about it to get cleared.
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# ? Jul 24, 2011 18:21 |
What percentage of the prisons in the country are privately, on state, local and federal level?
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# ? Jul 25, 2011 06:50 |
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Maine's dramatic reduction in solitary confinement (long)quote:The state’s new governor and corrections commissioner have sharply reduced prisoners in solitary without a rise in violence. They may have shown other states a way out of the supermax morass.
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Countblanc posted:Does anyone have any sources handy comparing the US treatment of prisoners and similar things to that of other countries? I almost got in an argument the other day before realizing that I actually have no idea how each stacks up. I've heard vague "other countries put more money into rehabilitation" but I don't really know what that means specifically. What are the prison cultures like in other countries, both inside and out? This is from two pages an two weeks ago, but this post has not gotten a proper response. If you want primary sources, Michael Tonry is America's (and I think the world's) expert on comparative criminal procedure, and a quick email to him will undoubtedly lead to a plethora of good information. Tell him two of his former students recommended him. Alternatively, just peruse his "Publications" list.
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# ? Jul 26, 2011 05:53 |
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drat, it's all sorts of seeing people in the Utøya/Oslo bombing thread call for reinstating the death penalty and subjecting Breivik to all sorts of torture. It's really good we don't roll like that in Scandinavia, yet anyway..
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# ? Jul 26, 2011 09:17 |
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Tias posted:drat, it's all sorts of seeing people in the Utøya/Oslo bombing thread call for reinstating the death penalty and subjecting Breivik to all sorts of torture. It's really good we don't roll like that in Scandinavia, yet anyway.. I saw on the news he was 'being prepared for eight days of solitary confinement'. Even you, Norway?
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josh04 posted:I saw on the news he was 'being prepared for eight days of solitary confinement'. Even you, Norway? I know the tone of this thread is conducive to the knee-jerk feeling of "somebody's being put in solitary confinement? loving TRAVESTY" but it's not like they're planning to keep him locked up by himself forever. At this stage. If that were the case then I'd agree with you.
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It's not that uncommon. I'm from Denmark that has roughly the same judicial mindset as Norway (though the level of punishment in our sentences are through the roof in comparison), and we're the world leader in use of isolation facilities.
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