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ewr2870 posted:Like 3? Or like 74? It's almost as if humorous hyperbole has been used to mock certain law schools .... (Go to Valpo, dine on Alpo.) That said, if I had said "URMs" instead of people of color it would have been almost accurate (it's really more like 8 Hispanics, 3 black students). Maybe it's the new grading system, but I feel like there's a much bigger emphasis at Yale (and Harvard, to a lesser extent) on "knowing the right people," and "building networks," which - of course- are huge pluses to the white and wealthy. Maybe you disagree, I don't know your background. I can see how white students at HYS might not see it (or want to see it), but that doesn't mean it isn't there or pervasive. By all means, though, tell me more about what Yale is really like. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 15, 2011 |
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nm posted:If your parents have a net worth over $1 million excluding the primary home, you don't get to be upper-middle-class. Accredited Investor joke?
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TheAttackSlug posted:I wrote a letter to myself does anyone have a time machine. You forgot to add some Kaizo Mario hack for the NY State multiple choice questions. Spent 4 hours reviewing trusts today and then got 0/5 multiple choice questions on trusts right!
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TheAttackSlug posted:I wrote a letter to myself does anyone have a time machine. That TMNT level can go right to hell.
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You guys are babies, that level wasn't that hard.
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diospadre posted:You guys are babies, that level wasn't that hard. Your avatar has never been and will never be more appropriate than it is now.
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The Warszawa posted:That said, if I had said "URMs" instead of people of color it would have been almost accurate (it's really more like 8 Hispanics, 3 black students).
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The best game on that collage is secretly NES Top Gun, by the way. Well, it's not a secret anymore. Not sure why they didn't put mid-air refueling instead, which I remember as being MUCH harder.
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Bullshit. All you had to do was hold down the accelerate button and the boom would hook up. Landing was way more stupid.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Bullshit. All you had to do was hold down the accelerate button and the boom would hook up. Landing was way more stupid. Not only is this wrong, but refueling was more obnoxious because if you hosed it up, the mission was impossible to complete but the game would still make you play through it until you ran out of gas anyway. At least when you hosed up the landing it would kill you right away.
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Refueling was easy, seriously don't even move just hold accelerate. Also you could just hold down constantly so the surface targets never launched missiles at you, then when you got to the boss shoot four big missiles at it and win. But landing was impossible
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:
I don't think anybody in this thread has said that somebody shouldn't go to Columbia if they have a Hamilton, but don't have a room-and-board scholarship. People need to stop mixing up "full scholarship" with "full scholarship plus stipend" in this thread. The google results for the Rubenstein at Chicago mention nothing about a stipend, they just say "full tuition scholarship." It looks like the Darrow does often come with a stipend though. I also don't believe you that middle classish people are that likely to get 35k per year financial aid packages at HYS. And there are plenty of upper middle class people whose parents make too much for them to get need-based grants, but who would still have to get six figures of loans to attend a T13 at sticker price. And I think what Warszawa means by "people of color" is people who aren't white non-Hispanic or Asian/South Asian because Warszawa is a white Hispanic. And URM is a debatable label because Mexicans and Puerto Ricans get a huge boost that rivals the boost African Americans and Native Americans get, but other latinos get a much smaller boost for law school admissions (which sucks for dirt poor mestizo Guatemalans and people like that).
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MoFauxHawk posted:And URM is a debatable label because Mexicans and Puerto Ricans get a huge boost that rivals the boost African Americans and Native Americans get, but other latinos get a much smaller boost for law school admissions (which sucks for dirt poor mestizo Guatemalans and people like that).
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Ani posted:Really? They don't seem to ask for much more than 'hispanic', so I figured it was all the same whether you were a dirt-poor Mexican or some Argentine Nazi. I know people here hate TLS, but from all the data they've collected, the consensus there is that Mexican and Puerto Rican gets a big boost, all other latino gets a small boost. Edit: Of course the boost we Jews get is much better hidden from the public... MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jul 16, 2011 |
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Hypothetically if I have an associate position lined up after law school and fail the bar exam what happens?
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MoFauxHawk posted:I don't think anybody in this thread has said that somebody shouldn't go to Columbia if they have a Hamilton, but don't have a room-and-board scholarship. People need to stop mixing up "full scholarship" with "full scholarship plus stipend" in this thread. The google results for the Rubenstein at Chicago mention nothing about a stipend, they just say "full tuition scholarship." It looks like the Darrow does often come with a stipend though. To not get aid at HYS your parents need a combined income around 150-200k. I wouldn't disagree that such is upper-middle class. The fact of the matter is that HYS all have a good deal of money and they don't give out merit scholarships. They also don't have that many students in their qualifying need-based aid range. You can disagree that HYS give out that much money to qualifying students, but they have breakdowns on their websites. I don't know if other schools come up with an assessed parent contribution number (I know some require NeedAccess, so they probably do), but the HYS websites indicate that individuals with an assessed parental contribution of $10,000 a year will get around a $30,000 scholarship every year. In my experience, $10,000 is a very high assessed parental contribution for any middle class individual. I cannot imagine that most middle class families are currently in an economic situation in which it would be assessed that they have $10,000 to give away every year. I'm certain there are people whose parents make $200,000 a year and would still need full loans for other T15s, but they still solidly fall in the upper-middle/upper class that the blog claims dominates top law schools. That isn't immensely rich, but it seems far too common for people to claim $200,000 a year is middle class, when it isn't even close to average income.
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Nero posted:Hypothetically if I have an associate position lined up after law school and fail the bar exam what happens? Most firms will give you another chance, but it depends on the firm.
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:To not get aid at HYS your parents need a combined income around 150-200k. I wouldn't disagree that such is upper-middle class. All right, I guess we disagree about the meanings of terms and who the author of the article is talking about. There is a difference between "rich" and "upper class" though. Rich is a broader term and includes plenty of upper middle class people. It wouldn't really make sense if the article were including people whose parents make six figures, but still have to take out large loans, since these people would still have to balance scholarship offers against sticker price, especially if they're not getting financial aid from HYS. I'm guessing the author of the article makes plenty of money himself. MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jul 16, 2011 |
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Nero posted:Hypothetically if I have an associate position lined up after law school and fail the bar exam what happens? If you are already at the firm when you find out you failed there's a much better chance they'll keep you around for another shot.
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I always love these discussions. If I recall correctly, roughly 2-3% of U.S. households (so combined incomes, not just individual incomes) make more than $200,000 per year. Something like 15-20% make more than $100,000 per year. So when we start talking about individuals with incomes above $100,000, or in particular individuals or households with incomes well above six figures, I think we've moved solidly out of the "middle class" range. Wouldn't "middle class" by definition have to be somewhere near the middle? Even 15-20%, let alone 2-3%, is not exactly in that ballpark. This topic is always interesting to me, given that I came from a blue collar background (i.e. real blue collar, not "My dad only had 15 direct reports," blue collar). My parents would think it utterly hilarious if I described my situation as middle class essentially at any point since I started private practice.
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b-b-bbut... my accomplishments... my merit... my superiority...
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Another article to throw on the pile http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/business/law-school-economics-job-market-weakens-tuition-rises.htmlquote:WITH apologies to show business, there’s no business like the business of law school.
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quote:the median private-sector salary of alums who graduated in 2009 — which is the class featured in the most recent US News annual law school issue — was $160,000... These statements are mathematically incompatible.
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Kase Im Licht posted:These statements are mathematically incompatible. Median lets you actually claim the 160k if you massage your reported salaries (you claim 51% of the salaries reported were 160k) but yeah, what he said contradicts itself and can't be resolved.
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"" posted:the median private-sector salary of alums who graduated in 2009 — which is the class featured in the most recent US News annual law school issue — was $160,000... So what are New York's consumer protection statutes like? I have a feeling this is the next school that's going to be sued once the Thomas Jefferson class action starts proceeding past the initial motions.
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evilweasel posted:Median lets you actually claim the 160k if you massage your reported salaries (you claim 51% of the salaries reported were 160k) but yeah, what he said contradicts itself and can't be resolved. It says: "The information posted online by N.Y.L.S. about the class of 2010 says that only 26 percent of those employed reported their salaries." So, the 26% of the students that graduated reported a median salary of $160k, but (I'm presuming) for the entire class, most will get 35-75k. Though, I'm still kind of amazed that at least 13%+1 out of the graduating class makes 160k+. fruitpoops fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jul 17, 2011 |
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fruitpoops posted:It says: "The information posted online by N.Y.L.S. about the class of 2010 says that only 26 percent of those employed reported their salaries."
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evilweasel posted:26% of those employed reported that. And 'those employed' are 'those who returned the card saying they were employed'. Ah, now that makes sense! I was too optimistic.
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I'm at Army JAG School in Charlottesville; any UVa grads with any "must-do" recommendations while I am here for the next couple months?
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Defleshed posted:I'm at Army JAG School in Charlottesville; any UVa grads with any "must-do" recommendations while I am here for the next couple months? Hash runs. Lots of hash runs.
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Well now that all my loans back in repayment status I am left with about $700 a month to live on. I remember the financial aid people warning us that if we took out too many loans and lived like lawyers during school, we'd live like law students after graduation. I feel like if I'd taken that advice, at best I'd have about $900 a month to live on. In summary, law school is a great path to moving back in with your parents, which 3 of the 5 associates at my firm do. Bulky Bartokomous fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jul 17, 2011 |
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This quote really stood out to me:quote:From 1989 to 2009, when college tuition rose by 71 percent, law school tuition shot up 317 percent. maskenfreiheit fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jul 17, 2011 |
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glad I am a special snowflake who will easily make the top 1% or that New York Times article (and the dozens before it) would really frighten me!
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Dantu posted:In summary, law school is a great path to moving back in with your parents, which 3 of the 5 associates at my firm do. These numbers do not make sense to me.
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Defleshed posted:I'm at Army JAG School in Charlottesville; any UVa grads with any "must-do" recommendations while I am here for the next couple months? Not a UVa grad, but I've spent a bit of time in Virginia. I'd at least see Montecello while you are there.
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srsly posted:By "firm" do you mean "fast-food restaurant"? Average new associate pay in my region is between $35k and $50k. Even at the upper end of that range, a roughly $2000 a month bill from Sallie Mae doesn't leave much left over.
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That is an insane student loan bill.
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Dantu posted:Average new associate pay in my region is between $35k and $50k. Even at the upper end of that range, a roughly $2000 a month bill from Sallie Mae doesn't leave much left over. Can you get that under IBR at all? I think I got my sallie mae loan consolidated with my other federal loans and now I pay literally $0 a month on that $100k loan because the government hasn't figured out I have a job yet and they haven't asked about it. I used the calculator on their website and with my $41k/year job I'll be paying a little over $300/month when it comes due I believe.
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Dantu posted:Average new associate pay in my region is between $35k and $50k. Even at the upper end of that range, a roughly $2000 a month bill from Sallie Mae doesn't leave much left over. Whoa whoa whoa whoa....IBR?
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Ainsley McTree posted:Can you get that under IBR at all? I think I got my sallie mae loan consolidated with my other federal loans and now I pay literally $0 a month on that $100k loan because the government hasn't figured out I have a job yet and they haven't asked about it. I used the calculator on their website and with my $41k/year job I'll be paying a little over $300/month when it comes due I believe. They asked for my two most recent paychecks right off the bat and I make $42k/year. I circled everything that was tax deductible and requested they base my payments off my estimated AGI otherwise, like you, I would be paying $300/month. I'll see what they say once my grace period is up in November... They advertise IBR as looking at your tax returns but apparently they rape you pretty hard your first year on IBR?
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