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Or maybe the prophecies simply aren't true! I've never seen the ones that have been cast as Melisandre and Stannis, so I'm hoping that they are good  (they probably are considering the great casting for season one)e; I'm still hoping that we'll get to hear the tragic backstory of Ser Gregor Clegane at some point so that we'll feel sympathy for him 
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priznat posted:Yeah, it's pretty unlikely but drat it would be impressive if he manages it. I had thought Theon would be pretty irredeemable but you can't help but pity the guy now. I mean, Theon did some horrible poo poo, but as far as the world knows it's worse than it was (though not really by much) - but as much as he's always been an entitled prick, he's not the wantonly cruel motherfucker that Ramsay is. I honestly can't even imagine what it would take for Ramsay to become sympathetic unless it's some "Roose has mind control powers and Ramsay is really a nice lad locked away in the corner of his mind while the Lord of the Dreadfort controls him like a puppet" bullshit explanation.
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Jul 19, 2011 19:49
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Charlie Mopps posted:Melisandre and Stannis have been cast for season 2. Not bad. Melisandre seems like a good fit, visually. Almost exactly what she looks like even on the original US cover art for ACoK. My first reaction to Stannis is that he looks a bit old (older than Robert), but then, his experiences over the books age him a ton, so that'll probably be fine. I liked him as Jefferson in the John Adams miniseries, but he was a sort of flighty day-dreaming character, and as Stannis he's going to need to practice clenching his jaw and grinding his teeth. But his quiet and unassuming demeanor fits pretty well.
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Jul 19, 2011 19:51
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It's all the bad blood, you see, it needs to be leeched outta there! Dammit the leeches keep dying - perhaps Ramsay has some kind of heavy metal poisoning causing him to be an insane evil rear end in a top hat? Ah gently caress it kill the bastard! 
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Jul 19, 2011 19:52
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meanolmrcloud posted:I can't be the only person who does not like aryas current arc. I mean, cool, she's a killer. Like she was before and just like everyone else in the story, except with a little bit of tepid sorcery. The backstory of the b&w temple isn't even that engrossing. Who is she being set up to murder? The only suitable people be the boltons, who would certainly have it coming, littlefinger, which would be cool enough I guess, or someone like varys. And death by faceless arya just dosent seem as compelling as death by regular arya or any other nifty thread gurm could weave. With all the focus on Arya losing her personality, I'm guessing she will be sent to kill someone previosly close to her. Then creating a struggle between her current and former self blablablablabla
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Jul 19, 2011 19:52
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Decius posted:
I've utterly lost interest in Arya. I thought it was hilarious that literally in the first like 20 pages we have of her since she dramatically went blind, she gets her sight back. No biggie.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:04
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Substar posted:How is Jon definitively Azor Ahai? "Everytime I ask for a vision of Azor Ahai, all I see is Snow. Everytime I ask to see Azor Ahai's face, I see yours, Jon." Also "blargh, I'm dead. But I'll be back in the next book." JS = AA
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Jul 19, 2011 20:04
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priznat posted:Yeah, it's pretty unlikely but drat it would be impressive if he manages it. I had thought Theon would be pretty irredeemable but you can't help but pity the guy now. To be fair the only reason Theon is sympathetic is because Ramsay is so much worse, and who the hell is going to be bad enough to make Ramsay look okay?
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Jul 19, 2011 20:06
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Also, Jon's sword (valyrian steel (good for killing Others)) was quenched in the blood of his chick, just like AA.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:10
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^^^^ Roose Bolton. And on Arya: well, sure, she's gonna try and kill someone she knows, or... Actually, better idea: she's sent to kill someone and one of the people on her list is just close enough that she could kill them if she gave up the contract. Same struggle, but a GRRMy twist. e: Wait, his sword was drenched in Ygritte's blood? Also there's the element of actually killing the love with the sword that's missing, but maybe shooting in a way that might have killed her is enough. whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jul 19, 2011 |
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Jul 19, 2011 20:11
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Gurm hinting at a new casting. I don't follow actors at all so I couldn't even begin guessing at who it is.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:13
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Yuran M. Bazil posted:To be fair the only reason Theon is sympathetic is because Ramsay is so much worse, and who the hell is going to be bad enough to make Ramsay look okay? I think the turning point for me was when he was in the Godswood and Bran reached out to him and he admits out loud that all he wished for was to be a Stark.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:15
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FairGame posted:I've utterly lost interest in Arya. It was just as dumb as when yoren cut her hair and sandor smacked her in the back of the head 
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Jul 19, 2011 20:16
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hhhmmm posted:With all the focus on Arya losing her personality, I'm guessing she will be sent to kill someone previosly close to her. Then creating a struggle between her current and former self blablablablabla It seems as if it's Faceless Man Policy not to kill someone they personally know.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:22
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Ray_ posted:It seems as if it's Faceless Man Policy not to kill someone they personally know. I would like to see their employee handbook
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Jul 19, 2011 20:23
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whalestory posted:It was just as dumb as when yoren cut her hair and sandor smacked her in the back of the head I never understood why anyone thought it was a "fake death" when Sandor smashed her with the axe. It seemed pretty clear to me that the intended thing was to make it unclear if Sandor wanted to bring her to Roose instead of to her mother. Because in the chapters before he refuses to say where they are going.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:23
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Tony Danza Claus posted:Also, Jon's sword (valyrian steel (good for killing Others)) was quenched in the blood of his chick, just like AA.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:24
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Tony Danza Claus posted:Also, Jon's sword (valyrian steel (good for killing Others)) was quenched in the blood of his chick, just like AA. In Ygiritte? I think she was killed by an arrow, by someone other than Jon. Because he used widling arrows, and she was shot with a Night Watch arrow (if I remember correctly). Arya, the Faceless Girl are shite. I thought it were boring in AFFC, and it was the worst part of ADWD, even worse than the Tyrion chapters (:/WHERE DO WHORES GO ISHOTMYFATHERWITHACROSSBOWANDHEDIDN'TSHITGOLDILLKILLMYSISTER :/)
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Jul 19, 2011 20:24
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I really hope Dany goes to Asshai in Book Six. Then further east to wrap around the world and land right at loving... wait. Casterly Rock is on the western shores of Westeros... and if Tyrion meets Dany in the next book, well... awesome I want that place to burn to the ground.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:26
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Why does Tyrion keep telling people he killed joffrey? Just because he doesn't care and it's going to be laid at his feet anyways? The evidence points to the Tyrells otherwise doesn't it
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Jul 19, 2011 20:28
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I quite like the Braavos/Arya chapters She's gonna kill Cersei, book it.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:29
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hypocrite lecteur posted:Why does Tyrion keep telling people he killed joffrey? Just because he doesn't care and it's going to be laid at his feet anyways? The evidence points to the Tyrells otherwise doesn't it Because he thinks Sansa did it and he wants to protect her. Also he already told Jaime to hurt him, so why not stick with the story? And I like the Arya chapters too, especially during her "Cat of the Canals" personality. Camel oval office never gets old.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:31
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priznat posted:I quite like the Braavos/Arya chapters hypocrite lecteur posted:Why does Tyrion keep telling people he killed joffrey? Just because he doesn't care and it's going to be laid at his feet anyways? The evidence points to the Tyrells otherwise doesn't it
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Jul 19, 2011 20:34
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hypocrite lecteur posted:Why does Tyrion keep telling people he killed joffrey? Just because he doesn't care and it's going to be laid at his feet anyways? The evidence points to the Tyrells otherwise doesn't it We're told fairly specifically that the Queen of Thorns killed Joffrey. So yeah, Tyrion's just going with the blame. He killed Tywin, might as well not argue against common belief that he also killed Joffrey. Sort of avoiding a "I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy."
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Jul 19, 2011 20:36
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Arya's face changing scene was one of the coolest parts of the book though. Also you say it is against policy to kill someone you personally know, but no one knows anyone personally. I like the tension in Arya's chapters. Her whole recent life has been one big vendetta against her enemies. Now she is learning to be the perfect assassin BUT at the same time she is learning / being forced to forget her vendettas. Maybe. Also someone said way back that Jon snapping and breaking his vows to go after the Bolton's was out of character. I thought GRRM built into that nicely. At every step he was moving away from the Black and moving closer to his other identities as Jon Snow (Stark) and as a Wilding.
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hhhmmm posted:With all the focus on Arya losing her personality, I'm guessing she will be sent to kill someone previosly close to her. Then creating a struggle between her current and former self blablablablabla Here's a nutty idea (probably too psych-horror for the Gurm): she manages to forget about being Arya while awake, but her connection with Nym remains at night. Somehow she ends up in the Riverlands, and while sleeping and warging into Nymeria she comes across "no-one"'s sleeping corpse and devours herself.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:46
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euphronius posted:
I really don't think it's out of character if you think of it from his perspective: he's the only one who can save his only surviving sibling on the run from a loving psychopath. It'd be out of character for him NOT to try to save her.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:59
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Patchface posted:"Under the sea, the merman feast on starfish soup and all the serving men are crabs." Crabs = the lord of Sweetsister that sent Davos to White Harbor? Starfish = Karstarks maybe?
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Jul 19, 2011 21:00
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Patchface is the worst character and nothing he says has any deeper meaning Actually everyone related to Stannis is the worst character. Except Davos; that guy rules.
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Jul 19, 2011 21:04
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Ray_ posted:I really don't think it's out of character if you think of it from his perspective: he's the only one who can save his only surviving sibling on the run from a loving psychopath. It'd be out of character for him NOT to try to save her. He is "saving" her in an absolutely retarded way. He has better options available and is supposed to be reasonably cunning.
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Jul 19, 2011 21:09
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The worst character is clearly every Meereenese, I thought we'd been over this.
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Jul 19, 2011 21:14
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euphronius posted:Arya's face changing scene was one of the coolest parts of the book though. quote:Also someone said way back that Jon snapping and breaking his vows to go after the Bolton's was out of character. I thought GRRM built into that nicely. At every step he was moving away from the Black and moving closer to his other identities as Jon Snow (Stark) and as a Wilding.
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Jul 19, 2011 21:23
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Why was Jojen so mopey, by the way? Are the two Reeds doomed to freeze to death while Bran becomes a tree or whatever? Also, is Coldhands just sitting outside the cave this whole time since he can't go in? Teh whole Bran thing has been clumsy for a while; this didn't make it better.
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Jul 19, 2011 21:27
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:The worst character is clearly every Meereenese, I thought we'd been over this. Hizdahr no Grazdar was unashamedly using Dany for the throne, the Green Grace is obviously in on it and I don't know why Dany trusts her. Everyone in the city knows its all just a sham to get rid of Dragonbitch, except Dany. THE PEACE is all just pretext while they decide how to get rid of her anyway, and everyone knows that too but her. If it weren't for widespread bloodshitting the Yunkers and traitors would have taken the city already. Dany is dense as gently caress. ~my Daario~
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Kainser posted:I just realized that the fact that Aeron Greyjoy apparently can survive while only drinking seawater is another sign that the Drowned God is real in some way. And the visions in fires coming true point to Rhllor being real, and from the Bran chapters we know that the Old Gods are real, although they perhaps no longer fit the traditional definition of "god". Really, the only gods that have no evidence pointing to their existence are the Seven, especially since they don't seem to act at all even when invoked (Tyrion's trial for example)
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FairGame posted:Why was Jojen so mopey, by the way? Are the two Reeds doomed to freeze to death while Bran becomes a tree or whatever? He's a 13 year old kid north of the Wall with no way to go home. Also Coldhands is dead so it doesn't really matter.
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:Really, the only gods that have no evidence pointing to their existence are the Seven, especially since they don't seem to act at all even when invoked (Tyrion's trial for example) If I'm not mistaken, the Stranger is the Westerosi aspect of the God of Many Faces, so at least one of them is real.
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bigmcgaffney posted:Dany is dense as gently caress. No poo poo. "Hey marry me and I guarantee that that the rebels will stop fighting for 90 days," should have resulted in him getting locked up as obviously being a leader in the rebellion.
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HeroOfTheRevolution posted:He's a 13 year old kid north of the Wall with no way to go home. Were there any hints that Coldhands may be Benjen Stark? I kept an eye out but didn't see any.
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FairGame posted:Why was Jojen so mopey, by the way? Are the two Reeds doomed to freeze to death while Bran becomes a tree or whatever?. I saw a theory somewhere that he's got some sort of "magic" connection to his home, which is being broken by the Wall. Or he may just not have recovered from traveling in freezing weather with no food.
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