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hankor posted:I think I can tell the subtle difference between onions and Schnittlauch, while the former needs to be in a potato salad in sparse amounts, the latter doesn't have any business in a potato salad unless it's to make it visually more interesting. I still have to agree with the statement that Schnittlauch rules though (don't ever make Rührei without it and don't forget the milk and optional salmon while you are at it.) I exercised restraint when you were bad-mouthing southern german potato salad, but at least now I have certainty that you know naught of the culinary arts. You monster.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 09:23 |
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Zwille posted:They say Semmel in the Werner comics and that's, well as far from Bavaria as you can possibly get without leaving Germany. Otherwise the default round/roundish little pieces of bread that are sold in bakeries are definitely not called "Semmeln" in Berlin or Hamburg (and probably nowhere outside of Bavaria). In Berlin, it's "Schrippen" and in Hamburg "Rundstücke" (if I remember correctly), and you'll open yourself up to ridicule if you point at those and call them "Semmeln". They also look different. (If you REALLY want to get technical, some bakeries outside Bavaria MIGHT sometimes sell Semmeln as a specialty, but that still doesn't make them the default.) There are some significant cultural differences between the Southern and Northern areas of Germany. Local dialects are part of them.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 10:49 |
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Knust, Knus, Kniest, Knistchen, Kniezchen, Knüppchen, Küppchen, Knaust, Knorz, Knörzel, Knüstchen, Knapp, Knäppchen, Knörzchen, Knerzla, Köppla, Rand, Ränftchen, Ranft, Ranften, Ranftl, Ränftel, Rauft, Rindl, Rumptschn, Knäusle, Knüssle, Mürggel, Riebel, Riebele, Scherzl, Knorze, Krüstchen, Giggel, Buckl
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 10:55 |
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Knust, Knus, Kniest, Knistchen, Kniezchen, Knüppchen, Küppchen, Knaust, Knorz, Knörzel, Knüstchen, Knapp, Knäppchen, Knörzchen, Knerzla, Köppla, Rand, Ränftchen, Ranft, Ranften, Ranftl, Ränftel, Rauft, Rindl, Rumptschn, Knäusle, Knüssle, Mürggel, Riebel, Riebele, Scherzl, Knorze, Krüstchen, Giggel, Buckl Knapp
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 11:36 |
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elwood posted:Knapp
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 11:51 |
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Knust.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 12:07 |
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Buuz'n
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 12:21 |
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Reiftle
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 13:03 |
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flavor posted:If this is supposed to be a joke because the company who initially published the books is called "Semmel Verlach", then it's okay. But that's too subtle for the people in this thread who don't know about this. It wasn't supposed to be a joke, maybe I did mix it up because of the publishing house, but I'm fairly sure they still used "Semmel" in some form in the comics - either that or it was in one of Seyfried's comics where they have a Chinese trying to buy a roll at a German bakery, going "Blödchen" at first, getting smacked, then asking for a "Schlippe" until finally having a bright idea and asking for a "Semmer" Anyhow, I rarely see "Rundstücke" in Hamburg though. Funnily enough, Wikipedia has this: quote:Semmel steht für: So it's actually a regular North German speciality as well as a regional variant of "Brötchen". Just wondering: What do you consider a "Semmel", exactly? It sounds like something Southern that's entirely unlike regular Brötchen from what you're saying.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 13:23 |
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Knust, Knus, Kniest, Knistchen, Kniezchen, Knüppchen, Küppchen, Knaust, Knorz, Knörzel, Knüstchen, Knapp, Knäppchen, Knörzchen, Knerzla, Köppla, Rand, Ränftchen, Ranft, Ranften, Ranftl, Ränftel, Rauft, Rindl, Rumptschn, Knäusle, Knüssle, Mürggel, Riebel, Riebele, Scherzl, Knorze, Krüstchen, Giggel, Buckl None of the above. It's Knorzel.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 15:02 |
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The word you're all looking for is "Kanten".
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 15:11 |
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Actually it's "Knöößli"
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 16:31 |
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That's clearly an Endstück.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 17:54 |
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niethan posted:That's clearly an Endstück. Don't you bring this beautiful argument to a screeching halt with actual words! e: Wait, I'd actually call it "Anschnitt".
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 20:48 |
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Kabbm or Käbbla, depending on size. edit: Stuhlmajor posted:Buuz'n frankenfreak fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 21, 2011 |
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Is there even an English word for that?
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 21:21 |
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You would have to have real bread for that, so I guess no? heel
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 21:32 |
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Several. e:f,b
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 21:32 |
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Interesting how this thread explodes every time food chat comes up! Ränftl.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 21:36 |
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frankenfreak posted:Kabbm or Käbbla, depending on size. Oh, yeah, with a t, my bad. The word is also used for the core of an apple if that's what you're thinking of.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:08 |
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Gehäuse!
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:15 |
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Knust and Krotzen, respectively.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:18 |
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Stuhlmajor posted:Oh, yeah, with a t, my bad. The word is also used for the core of an apple if that's what you're thinking of.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:37 |
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Or Apfelbutze/butzen/butza. Writing dialect is hard/stupid.
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# ? Jul 21, 2011 22:44 |
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frankenfreak posted:Nope, that's a Abflgriebes. That's an odd way to write Apfelgriebsch. flavor posted:Otherwise the default round/roundish little pieces of bread that are sold in bakeries are definitely not called "Semmeln" in Berlin or Hamburg (and probably nowhere outside of Bavaria). In Berlin, it's "Schrippen" and in Hamburg "Rundstücke" (if I remember correctly), and you'll open yourself up to ridicule if you point at those and call them "Semmeln". They also look different. I bought some "Brötchen" today, let's take a look at my buns. These are "Semmeln", note that these are a single "Semmeln" and not "Doppelsemmeln" like one would expect. The left one is a "Schrippe" and the right one a "Knüppel". If you live in the area support these guys, they are really good and cheap as gently caress for a bakery that actually bakes. Tomorrow I'll make some "Rührei" with milk, Schnittlauch and salmon, I'm sure you are on the edge of your seats. hankor fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jul 22, 2011 |
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My ex used to live there, maybe I bought some from them, I don't remember. I guess this clears up a lot of confusion, and please post pics of your salmon tortilla.
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 09:50 |
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What this proves is that the government has failed in its duty to pass a Semmelbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetz.
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 12:34 |
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ArchangeI posted:Kleinbrotbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetz
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 12:47 |
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Kleinweißbrotbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetz. ninja: Seems like we need a Kleinweißbrotbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetzverordnung
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 12:50 |
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Zwille posted:Kleinweißbrotbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetz. Ne, wir bräuchten Ausführungsvorschriften zum Kleinweißbrotbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetz (AVKlBrbeG).
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 12:54 |
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^^The BrotG was abolished in 1980.ArchangeI posted:What this proves is that the government has failed in its duty to pass a Semmelbezeichnungsbestimmungsgesetz. Don't be silly the consumer can be trusted to inform himself what constitutes a proper Semmel in his area, the regulations concerning bread are actually rather short. You could actually make a claim that the bayrische Semmel could be open to protected geographical status but as far as I know it hasn't been tried yet and probably is not unique enough to warrant it.
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 13:01 |
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Um es mal zusammenzufassen "Brot: serious business!"
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 13:08 |
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In Austria thinks like that are officialy defined in the Codex Alimentarius Austriacus, here's what it has to say about Semmeln:quote:Weißgebäck, das mit der Sachbezeichnung "Handsemmel", Wiener Kaisersemmel" oder "Kaisersemmel mir hervorhebender Bezeichnung" in Verkehr gebracht wird, ist ein handgewirktes Weißgebäck mit fünfteiligem Stern, das sich durch eine lange Teigführung (zumindest 2 Stunden) auszeichnet und dem keine Zusatzstoffe außer Lecithin und L-Ascorbinsäure zugesetzt werden. That still doesn't define common Rund- or "Maschinsemmeln" and Langsemmeln, though. Default Settings fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jul 23, 2011 |
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Kleinbrotbestimmungsgesetz (KBsG) isn't sufficient. We would need to back this up with an executive order, Kleinbrotbestimmungsdurchführungsverordnung (KBDVo), for specificity. This will suffice until the EU passes a Kleinbrotbestimmungsharmoniesierungsrichtlinie (KBHRl).
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# ? Jul 22, 2011 21:54 |
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hankor posted:
Of course something can be sold as "Semmeln" in Berlin, but that doesn't make it the regional standard. hankor posted:If you live in the area support these guys, they are really good and cheap as gently caress for a bakery that actually bakes. hankor posted:Tomorrow I'll make some "Rührei" with milk, Schnittlauch and salmon, I'm sure you are on the edge of your seats.
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# ? Jul 23, 2011 01:09 |
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flavor posted:But they wrote "Bon's" on the receipt - ouch! What do you mean, that's authentic German!
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# ? Jul 23, 2011 10:39 |
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Zwille posted:What do you mean, that's authentic German! It's right up there with Portemonnaie and Toilette.
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# ? Jul 23, 2011 20:00 |
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HenryEx posted:It's right up there with Portemonnaie and Toilette.
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# ? Jul 23, 2011 20:24 |
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To wit: here in Weimar, the city where they are flaunting Germany's cultural and literary heritage at every street corner, I spotted the caption "Goethe's Haus" today. e: so plural is not genitive, still a common apostrophe mistake
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I guess that means we've hit peak apostrophe now, innit?
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