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Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
TMax P3200 has one hell of a grain.


Dark Castle @ King's Barcade 07/18/11 by iantuten, on Flickr

Developed in HC-110 1+31 for 10.5 minutes. Neat.

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atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
how about Diafine and Pyrocat and Perceptol? Auuugh so many choices

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
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atomicthumbs posted:

how about Diafine and Pyrocat and Perceptol? Auuugh so many choices

Haven't tried the first two, but someone here (Manny? Reichstag?) said that they got very large mushy grain with Diafine and they didn't like the results especially for scanning. On the other hand I think I've seen scanned pictures from them before that looked fine, and split-bath development is pretty cool. Another option here would be split-D76 or split-D19 if you feel like mixing your own developer.

There's a half dozen or so slightly different Pyrocat variants, but all of them are essentially a fine-grain developer with a staining action. As it develops, a stain forms in the highlights along with the silver. The stain fills in the grain to make it finer, and it's colored to reduce contrast in the highlights. That pulls the highlights back a bit and gives you a touch more tonal range (proponents claim 1-2 stops). It's primarily a wet-printing thing, and it doesn't give you the highest effective speed in the world. Pyrocat HD and Acros is a very popular combination.

Perceptol is a grain-suppressing developer, similar to the old Microdol-X from Kodak (Arista Mic-X). I've tried one roll of Acros in it 1:3 (1-shot) and I didn't like it that much. No grain, but I think I gave up some sharpness. Needs further experimentation.

Superchunk
Dec 27, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post

QPZIL posted:

TMax P3200 has one hell of a grain.


Dark Castle @ King's Barcade 07/18/11 by iantuten, on Flickr

Developed in HC-110 1+31 for 10.5 minutes. Neat.

Wow, awesome shot.

I agree about the P3200. I just got a roll of it back (I really need to start developing myself). I love the grain though, most shots it really added some texture and depth to photos that would have been quite 2-dimensional without it:


49160026


49160031

Mine was a roll that expired back in 2004(?) I believe, so that might explain how much more extreme my grain was than yours.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
I realized I could scan my prints without a film scanner, so I did.


Sandpipin' by atomicthumbs, on Flickr


High and Dry by atomicthumbs, on Flickr


Magnetron by atomicthumbs, on Flickr

top two are pan f+ in xtol, bottom is hp5+ in D76

all of them are from my mamiya 645

atomicthumbs fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jul 21, 2011

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.
Got an Agat 18K, Chaika-2 and Elikon 535 coming in the mail. I figure the Agat and Chaika will be good for street photography and the Elikon should be good for general loving around.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Morning Light by atomicthumbs, on Flickr

pan f is so good

Cannister
Sep 6, 2006

Steadfast & Ignorant
A little while back mysticp sent some free expired (2005?) rolls of Portra 100T to the first few lucky goons who spoke up - luckily I was one of them and here are the worthwhile results from my roll:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cannister/sets/72157627255877020/

MrBlandAverage
Jul 2, 2003

GNNAAAARRRR

Cannister posted:

A little while back mysticp sent some free expired (2005?) rolls of Portra 100T to the first few lucky goons who spoke up - luckily I was one of them and here are the worthwhile results from my roll:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cannister/sets/72157627255877020/
Oh, those are on the Portra 100T??? Nice. I figured I would save my roll for the next time I shoot something where reciprocity failure and warm color temperatures are an issue...

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

Cannister posted:

A little while back mysticp sent some free expired (2005?) rolls of Portra 100T to the first few lucky goons who spoke up - luckily I was one of them and here are the worthwhile results from my roll:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cannister/sets/72157627255877020/
Nice! I haven't used the roll I got from mysticp, I need to get on that.

365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine
I've been waiting till I'm going somewhere with Tungsten lighting. :haw:

Cannister
Sep 6, 2006

Steadfast & Ignorant
I just uploaded 2 more from that roll:



pwn
May 27, 2004

This Christmas get "Shoes"









:pwn: :pwn: :pwn: :pwn: :pwn:

Cannister posted:






That whole roll is a treat, and these three are outstanding. I'm glad you got one of those rolls, it went to a good home. Makes me want to shoot square MF again.

mysticp
Jul 15, 2004

BAM!

Cannister posted:

A little while back mysticp sent some free expired (2005?) rolls of Portra 100T to the first few lucky goons who spoke up - luckily I was one of them and here are the worthwhile results from my roll:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cannister/sets/72157627255877020/

Love these! Thanks for sharing :)

Some film porn! Ready for my trip to Tuscany almost, just waiting for the Portra 160 35mm to arrive!

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

mysticp posted:

Love these! Thanks for sharing :)

Some film porn! Ready for my trip to Tuscany almost, just waiting for the Portra 160 35mm to arrive!



Whoa.

Let me know if you don't have enough room for some of those rolls. I'll uh... I'll hold on to 'em for ya.

Fists Up
Apr 9, 2007

The first Costco just opened up in Sydney.

What is their developing/printing like? Cause its pretty cheap but I don't know what to expect.

Marman1209
Jun 14, 2005
NonSequar got me this account for no damned reason.

Fists Up posted:

The first Costco just opened up in Sydney.

What is their developing/printing like? Cause its pretty cheap but I don't know what to expect.

It's like any minilab; it depends on who is behind the counter. My local one will develop a roll for $1.50 without prints.

unixbeard
Dec 29, 2004

How do you guy decide on your develop times? I read on digitaltruth the develop time for my film/developer was 7 minutes at 400 (the film speed) or 14 minutes at 800. I had two rolls so did one for 7 minutes and one for 9 minutes and I liked the results more from the 9 minute develop time, it seem to have better contrast, the 7 minute develop seemed a bit flat. Is it just a case of experimenting? I worry about ruining a roll by over developing it.

Also does anyone want to guess what film this is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/81054124@N00/2212066983/in/pool-52240504976@N01/ i really like the colours.

McMadCow
Jan 19, 2005

With our rifles and grenades and some help from God.

unixbeard posted:

How do you guy decide on your develop times? I read on digitaltruth the develop time for my film/developer was 7 minutes at 400 (the film speed) or 14 minutes at 800. I had two rolls so did one for 7 minutes and one for 9 minutes and I liked the results more from the 9 minute develop time, it seem to have better contrast, the 7 minute develop seemed a bit flat. Is it just a case of experimenting? I worry about ruining a roll by over developing it.

What do you mean when you say the 7 minute negs looked flat? A properly exposed and developed negative tends to look comparitively flat. That's what makes it usable. How did they print? Still too flat then?

Dr. Cogwerks
Oct 28, 2006

all I need is a grant and Project :roboluv: is go
This hot weather sucks, all my premixed chemistry is sitting around at 95F. Probably not good for my paper stock either. I've been lazy and have about eight rolls of BW that still need to be developed and scanned, and another 10-15 of color laying around the apartment... oof.

Dr. Cogwerks fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 24, 2011

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
Just finished developing a roll of 35mm Kodak TMax 400, in Ilford Ilfosol.

While I was loading the film onto the reel, near the end of the 36 exposures, part of the film just past the ratchet mechanism buckled and came out of the tracks. The only way I could get it back in was to forcefully pull back on the free end of the film, which was still attached to the spool. It buckled a second time, I think in the same place, and I repeated the yank. If it matters, I was loading the reel the same way I usually do: left hand loosely holding the film spool, right hand moving the halves of the reel against each other gripping the spokes on the outside (this makes my hand tired, but seems to generally prevent the tightly-rolled film coming off the spool all at once).

All of this seems to have damaged a few frames, I think the frame that was most involved in the buckling is a write-off - large white patches show where I think my fingers were pushing on it trying to get it back in the reel - and there are creases running through a few more near the end. Fortunately, the second half of that roll was unimportant throw-away playing-around shots, and the first half appears to be OK.

Has anybody else run into similar problems? Any ideas on how to prevent this from happening again?

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

Dorkroom Short Fiction Champion 2012


Young Orc

Dr. Cogwerks posted:

This hot weather sucks, all my premixed chemistry is sitting around at 95F. Probably not good for my paper stock either. I've been lazy and have about eight rolls of BW that still need to be developed and scanned, and another 10-15 of color laying around the apartment... oof.

Film should be in the refrigerator! :argh:

mysticp
Jul 15, 2004

BAM!

ExecuDork posted:

Has anybody else run into similar problems? Any ideas on how to prevent this from happening again?

I got this occasionally when I used plastic reels. I assume everything was totally dry? Even the smallest drop of water can cause problems.

The best way for this to never happen is to toss the plastic and use Hewes stainless steel reels. So easy to load and I have never had a film buckle or do anything but load quickly and easily. Hewes reels aren't cheap though, but they are the best.

mysticp
Jul 15, 2004

BAM!

unixbeard posted:

How do you guy decide on your develop times? I read on digitaltruth the develop time for my film/developer was 7 minutes at 400 (the film speed) or 14 minutes at 800. I had two rolls so did one for 7 minutes and one for 9 minutes and I liked the results more from the 9 minute develop time, it seem to have better contrast, the 7 minute develop seemed a bit flat. Is it just a case of experimenting? I worry about ruining a roll by over developing it.

You are explaining the way to find out your best development times.

Different films rate differently with different developers and also how you shot the scene, regardless of what iso you had your meter set to. Digital truth is just a guide to get you close to where you want to be. The only way to nail your own times is to test and practice and look at what your negatives turn out like.

A rule of thumb I use when I think negatives might be under or over developed is to look at the manufacturers writing on the edges. If it I can see through it then it's underdeveloped, if I can't but the edges are not sharp then it is overdeveloped.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

mysticp posted:

I assume everything was totally dry? Even the smallest drop of water can cause problems.

The best way for this to never happen is to toss the plastic and use Hewes stainless steel reels.
Thanks! Yup, totally dry. But I can see how it's down to the inherently more friction-y nature of a plastic reel rubbing against plastic film. I assume there are other brands of stainless reels, are any besides Hewes worth it?

I bought some Jet-dry today, because I've been told it works as well as the more expensive photo-flo (pick your brand name and clever misspelling). Obviously, the directions on the bottle don't talk about washing negatives. Should I just squirt a few millilitres into the tank during the final rinse?

mysticp
Jul 15, 2004

BAM!
Hewes are the only 35mm reels worth buying. They have a specific metal notch set on the inside of the reel that makes loading them really really easy. All the other SS reels I have used have clips and are a huge pain to load, you may as well use plastic.

You can usually pick up them on ebay for less than the $25 each that adorama charge. They aren't cheap but they are worth every penny.

Bouillon Rube
Aug 6, 2009


About how much time should I be giving Ilford Rapid fixed to do its thing? Is ten minutes plenty?

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Augmented Dickey posted:

About how much time should I be giving Ilford Rapid fixed to do its thing? Is ten minutes plenty?

2-4 minutes should be enough for normal films. 6-10 minutes for T-Max and Delta films.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Augmented Dickey posted:

About how much time should I be giving Ilford Rapid fixed to do its thing? Is ten minutes plenty?

That should be plenty of time for a fresh solution. The clip test is the definitive way to tell, put the leader in fixer until it's cleared and fix your film for 2x that.

fartzilla
Dec 30, 2009

how disgusting

ExecuDork posted:

Has anybody else run into similar problems? Any ideas on how to prevent this from happening again?

I've had this happen before. I assume it's the Paterson-style reel with the little ball bearing?

I do my loading in a changing bag and it can get kind of humid in there just from my arms. I've found that, if film is going to stick and buckle, it has a higher chance of happening the longer I've been in the bag. So I've been practicing working as quickly as possible.

I've also been advised that adding Photo-Flo with the reels still in the tank is a terrible idea because the Photo-Flo will stick to them and gradually build up residue. Of course I've been happily ignoring this advice. I don't know if residue can cause sticking problems or not, but it seems that if it's is going to build up, it'll be in that little crevice with the ball bearing that's hard to get running water into.

Edit: I wouldn't use Jet-Dry. You don't know what else is in there that might have been added to make it more attractive as a consumer item - dyes, fragrances, stuff like that. Photo-Flo is pure.

fartzilla fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jul 24, 2011

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
I shot and developed Tri-X for the first time yesterday, it's got a really cool REALLY fine grain

HC-110 1+31 @ 5 min


Bottles by iantuten, on Flickr

McMadCow
Jan 19, 2005

With our rifles and grenades and some help from God.

mysticp posted:

Hewes are the only 35mm reels worth buying.

This is all you need to know about 35mm supplies. I have 10 Hewes reels, and I refuse to use anything else.

365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine
Plastic reels rule, actually.

Dr. Cogwerks
Oct 28, 2006

all I need is a grant and Project :roboluv: is go

Reichstag posted:

Plastic reels rule, actually.

Every time I try to get 120 film onto a plastic reel, I feel one step closer to an early stroke.

Ciro-Flex
Jan 28, 2009
Still really pissed about how badly Ritz pops the histogram on negative scans, but otherwise the sharpness and clarity still beats my flatbed scanner:


FH000031 by ksulli25, on Flickr

Ciro-Flex fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jul 26, 2011

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


How much of a difference would I get with a decent negative scanner versus having the lab put images on a CD? I've tried this a few times and it just seems like all they do is scan the prints themselves.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

DJExile posted:

How much of a difference would I get with a decent negative scanner versus having the lab put images on a CD? I've tried this a few times and it just seems like all they do is scan the prints themselves.

The only labs (even one hour labs) I've seen scan the negatives, not prints. Obviously the upside of having your own scanner is that you can have more control over colors/levels/curves/whatever. I compared my own scans with the local Ritz Camera scans and the difference was night and day.

spf3million
Sep 27, 2007

hit 'em with the rhythm
Be prepared, it takes a lot longer to scan a roll than you'd expect.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


QPZIL posted:

The only labs (even one hour labs) I've seen scan the negatives, not prints. Obviously the upside of having your own scanner is that you can have more control over colors/levels/curves/whatever. I compared my own scans with the local Ritz Camera scans and the difference was night and day.

spf3million posted:

Be prepared, it takes a lot longer to scan a roll than you'd expect.

Cool, thanks!

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atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

QPZIL posted:

Obviously the upside of having your own scanner is that you can have more control over colors/levels/curves/whatever.

and not having to pay whenever you want something scanned

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