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The Cheshire Cat posted:What do you want to bet that those modders bitch about mainstream DRM schemes like SecuROM and such almost constantly? Honestly, the main reason we're concerned about this is that if it catches on to say Nexus and also because Skyrim is keeping the .nif format. Which means if we do nothing about it, Skyrim mods could be a clusterfuck too. I think it's enough for us to keep on top of it and let those same tools they use to mod the game automatically correct or neutralize what they're doing.
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Naky posted:Yeah, well, the main guy doing it right now has two mods he's done it to - one is a port of clothing from a commercial game, and the other is all weapons from FPSBanana/MW2 with three original weapons he's done himself. Except those three weapons are nearly 40k polygons each, I poo poo you not. Out of spite, I've ripped out a bunch of the useless poo poo he had on there in an effort to cut down on the polycounts and included them in a separate container with a giant warning in the cabinets esp for The Armory. Needless to say, they will not be added to the leveled lists or anything. We've stopped one step short of re-releasing his stuff DRM free because we don't think his mods are really that good to be worth it, but I think it's enough if we can get the NifTools updated to neutralize it period.  As an aside, why is it always low quality mod/content producers are overprotective of what they do? Some sort of unearned sense of entitlement, or some such?So how exactly can Skyrim keep the .nif format? It uses a different engine, right? Is it just so they can keep using whatever tools they use to make content?
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Kgummy posted:I can imagine his thought process: "More polygons is more better!" Generally the people with the fewest ideas are the ones who believe their ideas are the most precious. As for .nif, it's just a model format right? There's nothing explicitly tying it to a particular engine, so as long as they wrote the new engine to be able to parse the files, they could still keep using it. The reason is most likely exactly what you said; so they can keep using the same tools.
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Kgummy posted:As an aside, why is it always low quality mod/content producers are overprotective of what they do? Some sort of unearned sense of entitlement, or some such? In my experience these modders tend to see their projects as artistic endeavors and they are actually "protecting the artistic integrity of their mod." My theory is that this is just a weird pseudo-intellectual excuse to keep anyone from making better mods that outshine their only source of popularity. These are the same people that have a personal photo album on their profile showing off their badass katana or their handsome/beautiful face lit only by the screen of a macbook. The really, really good modders tend to actually work in some kind of creative/technical field to begin with and are far more relaxed. They also produce the best content for the most part.
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Omnicarus posted:In my experience these modders tend to see their projects as artistic endeavors and they are actually "protecting the artistic integrity of their mod." My theory is that this is just a weird pseudo-intellectual excuse to keep anyone from making better mods that outshine their only source of popularity. These are the same people that have a personal photo album on their profile showing off their badass katana or their handsome/beautiful face lit only by the screen of a macbook. I think the popularity/dependency is the biggest one. His threads are full of people requesting him to do things left and right because they can't open his files to do it themselves. It's always little things like deleting a holster on his clothing because they want to use the holster mod instead, or adding a silencer to a gun because he didn't bother to make one, etc. So ultimately it's just a form of control and dependency.
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What I've never been able to understand is that I can go on the Nexus and--on an almost daily basis--find mods that have already been done five or six times. Take for example, this Hunting Rifle SILENCED mod which has had no less than TEN updates to it. What does it do? It adds a silenced hunting rifle to the game. Why the author deemed it necessary to update the mod ten times, or do something that's been done better by a number of other mods, is beyond me. Or mods that add weapons from FO3 to New Vegas. Go ahead, do a search for those. You'll find a whole mess of them, all varying in quality. It's bizarre.
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Naky posted:To who though ;_; Basically, going to the NifTools team and working together with them every time something like this poo poo pops up that's about the only thing we can do. I don't see Obsidian/Bethesda caring. Not to get laughed out of the thread, but the Nexus I guess. It's hard to know what will/won't set them off though, like a 50/50 chance they'll ban whoever reported it. Surely there is cross pollination between there and the other site?
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Actually I recall a DRM effort somebody made on the Bethesda Forums. The author was basically trying to introduce a tool that would "protect" content from being used by unauthorized third parties. The guy got booed and heckled off of the thread, and eventually it was closed down by a Moderator. So basically, there's still some hope that DRM--in any form--has enough of a stigma attached to it that it'll be relegated a fringe community, and the majority will see it for what it is (manbabies trying to keep their halfbaked stolen models from being stolen by somebody else) and move on without them.
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I went to try and find an old part on the nexus. Instead I found this. Just read the description. It starts off normal and about paragraph two it goes completely batshit. It's a custom golf club that has no cosmetic difference from the regular golf club butit is slightly lighter for weak asian girls to use.  http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37105
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Chronojam posted:Not to get laughed out of the thread, but the Nexus I guess. It's hard to know what will/won't set them off though, like a 50/50 chance they'll ban whoever reported it. Surely there is cross pollination between there and the other site? Not really, no. F3U is full of banned Nexus users or users who are disillusioned with Nexus. This is not to say that Nexus would support it, but we're still trying to keep word of this on the down low for the time being until the tools can be updated to counter it.
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Is there a way to skip movies, namely Old World Blue's intro movie? Something in my game is making me crash as soon as the movie ends. I'd like to try a few things to fix it before coming in here crying about my mod load order, but the mandatory movie each time is a bit too much.
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Omnicarus posted:I went to try and find an old part on the nexus. Instead I found this. Just read the description. It starts off normal and about paragraph two it goes completely batshit. It's a custom golf club that has no cosmetic difference from the regular golf club butit is slightly lighter for weak asian girls to use. The comments the author made at the proper section are golden, too. Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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Jul 23, 2011 23:58
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Jan posted:Is there a way to skip movies, namely Old World Blue's intro movie? Something in my game is making me crash as soon as the movie ends. I'd like to try a few things to fix it before coming in here crying about my mod load order, but the mandatory movie each time is a bit too much.
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Kgummy posted:So how exactly can Skyrim keep the .nif format? It uses a different engine, right? Is it just so they can keep using whatever tools they use to make content? Skyrim uses a heavily modified Gamebryo engine.
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Has anyone else noticed the AG Supplementary unique weapons not showing up in certain circumstances? I didn't see the one in the Prospector Saloon, but I got the one from Victor's Shack. I think they don't spawn in edited areas. I looked in Jean Sky diving, but AWOP edits that area and there was nothing. I have some mods that add things to the Saloon and I don't see the unique weapon in there. Anyone know how to fix this?
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Cubemario posted:Okay seriously, how do I get rid of "A World of Pain"? I've tried starting a fresh game with the ESM disabled and it's still there. This mod is horrible and I cannot find ANY information online as to how I get rid of this disease. I would really rather not have to reinstall my game. Actually delete the ESM, not just deactivate it. If New Vegas then starts crashing on startup, use FOMM to go through all your ESPs and see which one is dependant on the AWOP ESM, and remove it.
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vandalism posted:Has anyone else noticed the AG Supplementary unique weapons not showing up in certain circumstances? I didn't see the one in the Prospector Saloon, but I got the one from Victor's Shack. I think they don't spawn in edited areas. I looked in Jean Sky diving, but AWOP edits that area and there was nothing. I have some mods that add things to the Saloon and I don't see the unique weapon in there. Anyone know how to fix this? Kgummy fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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I made a merge patch by shift clicking everything entered in FNVEdit and applying a merged patch. I think that should have worked. In the filter section everything is green regarding cells and placement, but I don't see anything in the Prospector Saloon. Should I try reactivating the AG mod? I reactivated my poo poo and it works fine now. Also it worked fine before but I was looking in the wrong place for that gun. Welp. I'm dumb. vandalism fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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The Lone Badger posted:Actually delete the ESM, not just deactivate it. Deleting the ESM and the dependent ESP compatbility from The Armory solved the problem, thanks a lot! It's amazing how terrible it made NV by having that mod installed for so long, I had forgotten that it messed up the games balance in everything from caps, difficulty (going from insanely easy to insanely hard), and a bunch of useless NPCs everywhere. Anyone who has this mod, I urge you to uninstall it. In fact, is it possible that it could be removed from the OP or have an additional warning that it basically ruins the game balance? I'm pretty sure it caused a lot of instability and made stealth useless as well. I couldn't stealth even at high skill without being spotted, but with the mod uninstalled now I can hide even with 25 skill more effectively. Cubemario fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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Omnicarus posted:I went to try and find an old part on the nexus. Instead I found this. Just read the description. It starts off normal and about paragraph two it goes completely batshit. It's a custom golf club that has no cosmetic difference from the regular golf club butit is slightly lighter for weak asian girls to use. His user profile image is hilarious http://www.newvegasnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=1238449 .
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FirstPersonShitter posted:His user profile image is hilarious http://www.newvegasnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=1238449 . I am pretty sure this guy is a pedophile, based solely on the other mods he has made available. Edit: His uploaded images are some of the worst I've ever seen on the Nexus. 
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Project Nevada's been updated to 2.2, adds some more stuff to the Mod Configuration Menu, and some pretty rad low-end homemade weapons. Made with a .22 revolver, and some tin cans, scrap and metal a lead pipe. Silencer comes separately, just as easily made.
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Kgummy posted:Try pressing esc? I'm not sure if it works for OWB's, specifically, but it should. You'd think it's that simple... But all that does is bring up the main menu, without even pausing the movie.
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I have another question, is it possible to disable the title cards at the beginning? Especially with RFC installed, it adds even more and they are longer in length. I can't skip all of them and I usually end up having to wait at least 10 seconds before I can get to the main menu. It's pretty frustrating having to do that, especially if your game crashes. Oh so that's what that is? Yet another reason I seriously want an SSD. Cubemario fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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Cubemario posted:I have another question, is it possible to disable the title cards at the beginning? Especially with RFC installed, it adds even more and they are longer in length. I can't skip all of them and I usually end up having to wait at least 10 seconds before I can get to the main menu. It's pretty frustrating having to do that, especially if your game crashes. Loading time, man. You are literally loading two games plus all the mods. Notice how it goes faster successive times if you are using a modern OS? It's going to cache things in advance, but that's the best you can do.
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WHAT HAS SCIENCE WROUGHT?! Oh it's only an eight shot twelve gauge lever action with a suppressor  AG Supplementary is a great mod simply because the meshes aren't connected to much of anything, so copy/pasting is a snap.
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Goddamnit. Deactivated Project Nevada and its DLC support in FOMM, installed the 2.2 update, reactivated the DLC support, and auto-sorted my load order. FNV crashes on launch during the logos before the main menu.  Edit: Does this with PN deactivated, and when running without NVSE. Updating broke my install apparently. Son of a bitch Jetsetlemming fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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Jetsetlemming posted:Goddamnit. Deactivated Project Nevada and its DLC support in FOMM, installed the 2.2 update, reactivated the DLC support, and auto-sorted my load order. FNV crashes on launch during the logos before the main menu. That sounds like something is missing a master. Check your load order to make sure you didn't accidentally enable an esp that's meant to work with a mod you don't have.
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I don't see any problems with my mods/load order, so I verified cache, and it found two bad files to redownload. I ran the game again, and this time it made it to "Please Stand By", with the music playing in the background, and then crashed. Launching again it crashed on the legal screen at the start, like it was before verifying. I verified a second time and once again it found a broken file needing to redownload. My load order: FalloutNV.esm DeadMoney.esm HonestHearts.esm Tales from the Burning Sands.esm The.Armory.esm More Perks.esm Project Nevada - Core.esm Weapon Mod Expansion.esm Project Nevada - Equipment.esm WME - Dead Money.esm WME - Honest Hearts.esm Lucky 38 Suite Respawn Fix.esp Centered 3rd Person Camera.esp Better Burned Man.esp UWHNV-Core.esp UWHNV-Addon-DLC.esp Lucky38MarkerV3.esp EVE FNV.esp Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp CONELRAD 640-1240.esp R.A.C.E. Station.esp NewVegasBounties.esp Kobu's Free Wild Wasteland Trait.esp Wild Wasteland YCS Fix.esp More Perks Update.esp MoreShells.esp Sunglasses Shipment.esp Comp_Idles_NV.esp Light Step ED-E.esp NVWillow.esp PipBoyLightx2.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp Weapon Mod Expansion.esp The.Armory.Leveled.List.esp The.Armory.Honest.Hearts.BasePatch.esp The.Armory.Honest.Hearts.WPPatch.Vanilla.esp The.Armory.Stalker.Pack.esp WME - Dead Money.esp WME - Dead Money Arenovalis Retex.esp WME - Honest Hearts.esp WME - Honest Hearts Arenovalis.esp SimpleStreetLights (Extra Lights).esp Vurt's WFO.esp Western Sky - Darker Nights.esp Total active plugins: 47 Total plugins: 63
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Kind of regretting not installing Project Nevada when I started. Is it likely to go at all wrong if I install it into an existing game? Is it worth using XFO in conjunction with it, or is there so much overlap that I should pick one and stick with it?
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ToxicFrog posted:Kind of regretting not installing Project Nevada when I started. Is it likely to go at all wrong if I install it into an existing game? Is it worth using XFO in conjunction with it, or is there so much overlap that I should pick one and stick with it? I'd just switch over to PN. As far as I know XFO hasn't been updated in over six months and its starting to look like its a dead project. Also Project Nevada is really good, they've done an excellent job so far.
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Anyone here use the Expanded Traits mod? http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36370 Some of the traits look pretty interesting but traits seem like they'd be difficult to script properly so I'm a little leery of blindly installing it.
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Just as a note, Bottle That Water updated, for OWB compatibility/modification.
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ToxicFrog posted:Kind of regretting not installing Project Nevada when I started. Is it likely to go at all wrong if I install it into an existing game? Is it worth using XFO in conjunction with it, or is there so much overlap that I should pick one and stick with it? You don't need to use XFO in conjunction with it, as almost everything in PN is very customizable--more than XFO, actually. There are a few XFO plugins that can be used with PN (like Karma rebalancing), but that's because PN doesn't make changes to that. Plus, since every PN release is a FOMOD, they're really simply to add / remove. You can do it with your current game fennesz posted:Anyone here use the Expanded Traits mod? http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36370 Used it for ~4 months, stopped after OWB came out and added its own Traits to the mix. I'd say, byte for byte, it's one of the best Trait mods out there. Nothing ridiculously overpowered or broken.
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Jetsetlemming posted:I don't see any problems with my mods/load order, so I verified cache, and it found two bad files to redownload. I ran the game again, and this time it made it to "Please Stand By", with the music playing in the background, and then crashed. Launching again it crashed on the legal screen at the start, like it was before verifying. I verified a second time and once again it found a broken file needing to redownload. You need to make a merged patch. The file Steam is consistently finding to replace is probably an .ini file, which is normal and nothing to worry about.
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There were some interested in the last gongshow of a WIP build for The Armory, but this one should be a lot better. A bunch of bugfixes in it for 2.0 guns, 9 previously WIP guns are now ready for testing/release, and three entirely new weapons were added: - a new M1 Garand I haven't seen in the modding scene yet that I converted from FPSBanana that I believe Arenovalis had a hand in at some point years ago - a test bed for the laser katana system I'm going to implement in the form of the new Jedi/Sith lightsabers + mods. The mods for these simply change the color at this point, so you have blue as the default jedi with green, silver, and yellow as the alternates while the jedi's default is red with black, orange, and purple as the alternates. If you add more than one mod to each lightsaber it will default back to the original color and you'll need a new lightsaber to start from scratch. Sorry folks, that's how she goes. Maybe I'll put in a disassemble/assemble recipe for a base lightsaber to make things easier. Other things of note - there are new meshes/textures for the SR25 and L85A2 so check 'em out. As always check out the text files and realize that it's a WIP - it might break your game, and the new weapons are NOT balanced or added to the leveled lists or anything like that. edit: well, it appears the alternate recolors of the lightsabers aren't working  that's why it's a WIP
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:You need to make a merged patch. The file Steam is consistently finding to replace is probably an .ini file, which is normal and nothing to worry about. Everything worked fine before I tried to upgrade PN edit: Oh, it actually did create the merged patch esp, it prompted me to save it when I closed fnvedit. I loaded FOMM, checked off merge.esp, and ran nvse. The game still crashed on the legalese screen. Jetsetlemming fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jul 24, 2011 |
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Creating a merged patch is the first step, then you go and look at what else is conflicting, if anything. It helps if you have the filter on, which the manual tells you to do (and what settings to use), in case you didn't see that. On the new armory, should we first deactivate 2.0? If so, then what about the leveled list? (Only the .esm and the cabinet .esp are in what you linked)
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Kgummy posted:Creating a merged patch is the first step, then you go and look at what else is conflicting, if anything. It helps if you have the filter on, which the manual tells you to do (and what settings to use), in case you didn't see that. If you use the WIP you can still use the alternate esps in theory, but if you're going to do testing and report things I'd prefer if you deactivated everything but the esm and the cabinet esps that I give you to cut down on interference. Otherwise you can technically treat it as a bugfix patch with some new content. Again, in theory, the new esm should be fine with 2.0's weapons and alternates but if there's any oddness then stand warned.
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I once again deactivated PN and its DLC, and then reactivated them. I noticed that PN 2.2 wanted to overwrite two existing files, they looked like they dealt with first person hand animations from the filenames? Before I had just blindly clicked "Yes to All". This time I clicked No individually for both the conflicts that pop up. And now everything works fine. It's kinda confusing how assets like that just get thrown into big common sourced folders instead of being part of the esp, so they can have priority based on load order like the scripts and crap in the mod files do. Anyway, things seem to possibly maybe be working now.
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