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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

prussian advisor posted:

Is anyone else taking a bar exam that has state multiple-choice questions? Or is it just Florida?

P.S., they're loving atrocious.

NY does, they were sort of a bitch.

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Ani
Jun 15, 2001
illum non populi fasces, non purpura regum / flexit et infidos agitans discordia fratres

prussian advisor posted:

Is anyone else taking a bar exam that has state multiple-choice questions? Or is it just Florida?
NY had 50. They sucked.

Kase Im Licht
Jan 26, 2001

prussian advisor posted:

Is anyone else taking a bar exam that has state multiple-choice questions? Or is it just Florida?

P.S., they're loving atrocious.
Virginia has short answer questions. Not a ton of them, but they can be multiple choice, true false, fill in the blank, etc.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
I'm renaming the MBE to "Your 1L classes? Useless."

Ani
Jun 15, 2001
illum non populi fasces, non purpura regum / flexit et infidos agitans discordia fratres

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm renaming the MBE to "Your 1L classes? Useless."
Seriously. Though I think part of that is because property / torts / Ks are just harder than the other MBE subjects.

Linguica
Jul 13, 2000
You're already dead

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm renaming the MBE to "Your 1L classes? Useless."
Gotta disagree. My worst MBE scores were in evidence and crimpro, which happen to be the only non-1L topics.

William Lee
May 16, 2003

I guess it's about time for our William Tell routine.

prussian advisor posted:

Is anyone else taking a bar exam that has state multiple-choice questions? Or is it just Florida?

P.S., they're loving atrocious.

Some of those FL MC questions today were really, really bad. The first essay was a piece of poo poo too. On the other hand, the other two were so straightforward it surprised me.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost

CaptainScraps posted:

I'm renaming the MBE to "Your 1L classes? Useless."

I'm renaming MBE to "If I studied this 40 page pamphlet, I'd've passed 1L with straight A+s"

Seriously, one Convisor's mini review is key for 1Ls.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
Ahahaha, people have to take the bar.
I passed it, first time :smug:

joat mon posted:


This is glorious.

Holland Oats
Oct 20, 2003

Only the dead have seen the end of war
The SLIP application is up but it asks me for my currently unknown 2L fall classes :negative:

Do any CLS people know when we find out our class schedule?

HooKars
Feb 22, 2006
Comeon!

Alaemon posted:

Here's one some attorneys and I got to discussing the other day.

Death is not an option:

Retake the bar exam
or
Retake the LSAT

If retaking the test had any effect on reality/the past, I would retake the bar exam in a second because I don't trust my ability to get a 175 on the LSAT a second time and wouldn't want to chance it. I do trust my ability to pass another bar exam - and I would choose a state where my MBE score could be transferred so I just had to do the essay day.

Of course, I have taken the LSAT twice and the bar exam 3 times so apparently I have no problem retaking either.

Mattavist
May 24, 2003

BigHead posted:

I'm renaming MBE to "If I studied this 40 page pamphlet, I'd've passed 1L with straight A+s"

Seriously, one Convisor's mini review is key for 1Ls.

I've been saying that in this thread for four years now.

Elotana
Dec 12, 2003

and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account
I'm disappointed I couldn't find a buyer for my 2009 review books. Texas uses a three-year experimental period for new questions so they've probably got gently caress all resale value for the 2012 exams. I guess I should just get one of those generic lawyer's office bookshelves and seed it with those and all the law school books I could never sell.

Vander
Aug 16, 2004

I am my own hero.
Ugh... I totally understand why they say fatigue is a killer on the second day. I haven't even started yet and I feel like checking out.

commish
Sep 17, 2009

Vander posted:

Ugh... I totally understand why they say fatigue is a killer on the second day. I haven't even started yet and I feel like checking out.

I finished my final section on day 2 about an hour before time ended. I just didn't give a gently caress anymore, was so tired of testing and studying and law and everything else.

Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?
http://james.grimmelmann.net/internetlaw

Grimmelmann posted:

A New Casebook for a Fast-Moving Subject

I love Internet law, and since the day I started teaching it, I’ve tried to share my enthusiasm with my students. This casebook is the culmination of four years of work. I designed it from the ground up to help law students thrive in the face of the constant ferment of the Internet itself. Internet Law: Cases and Problems combines clear organization, classic cases, and a focus on the doctrinal fundamentals with challenging questions and problems that bring students face-to-face with the challenges facing the Internet and Internet lawyers today.

Now, thanks to Semaphore Press and its innovative business model, I’m pleased to be able to offer Internet Law: Cases and Problems for a fraction of the price of a major-label casebook. Semaphore casebooks are sold as PDF downloads. There’s no DRM, so you can read the book and annotate it on your computer in your regular PDF reader, copy it to your portable device to read on the go, and print out as much or as little of the book as you want. If your computer crashes and you need to download the book again, you’re always welcome to.

The all-digital format means we cut out the middleman and pass the savings on to you. Unlike casebooks from the major publishers, which can cost $150 or more, the suggested price for this casebook is just $30. Think of it as my contribution to keeping the price of legal education down.

Sound good? Read on for the full spiel, or download the sample chapters and see for yourself.

Features

99 33 Problems


When I titled this book “Internet Law: Cases and Problems,” I meant it. Most sections of the book have one or more problems applying the material from the cases to real-life situations. Are you ready to outwit a child pornographer, lobby Congress, unmask anonymous harassers, draft a website’s terms of service, catch a hacker, and help a company recover from a disastrous bug? By the time you finish this casebook, you will be.

Bleeding-Edge Coverage

Internet law doesn’t sit still for a moment. Neither does this casebook. In it, you’ll find ripped-from-the-headlines coverage of ongoing controversies, including WikiLeaks, network neutrality, Righthaven, domain-name seizures, and the use of Facebook evidence in court. If it’s not in Internet Law: Cases and Problems, it hasn’t happened yet.

If you’re looking for the classics of the Internet Law canon, don’t worry. ACLU v. Reno, ProCD v. Zeidenberg, Zeran v. AOL, and many of your other favorites are invited to the party, too. But I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised when you see who’s sitting next to whom and what they have to say to each other.

Absurdly Logical Organization

Each section in the casebook examines a small set of closely related issues: for example, how courts have applied the Fourth Amendment to computers, or the successes and different legal theories used to assert trademark rights over domain names. Each chapter pulls together a set of related sections to examine a single area of law (e.g. privacy or copyright) in appropriate depth. Each section and chapter follows a natural progression from foundations to applications. Four running themes — code is law, governmental control, private power, and generativity — tie the book together, emphasizing what these topics have in common.

No Hidden Balls

Learning to be a good lawyer is hard. It doesn’t need to be unnecessarily hard. In assembling this casebook, wherever possible I picked cases that confront commonly recurring issues, whose reasoning is clear and straighforward, and whose holdings have been followed by other courts. Next, I edited the cases ruthlessly to take out everything but the good bits, and followed them with clear questions to direct attention to the most important issues they raise. Then I wrote introductory primers on topics like how the Internet works, the basics of the First Amendment, and the history of telecommunications regulation. The book doesn’t throw students into the deep end, but it does help them get there quickly on their own.

Joie De Vivre

Studying Internet law can and should be fun. Most of the cases feature highly memorable facts. You’ll meet rogue graduate students, copyright scofflaws, spammers, scammers, and entrepreneurs of all shapes and sizes. Many of the questions draw on your personal experiences with the Internet (and see if you can spot all of the cultural references in the names in the problems). Throughout the book, I’ve done my best to make the tone engaging and accessible, even when discussing technical subjects.

James GrimmelOwns

Petey fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jul 27, 2011

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
<3 James.

commish
Sep 17, 2009

Petey posted:

http://james.grimmelmann.net/internetlaw


James GrimmelOwns

If I read this, can I be an internet lawyer?

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

commish posted:

If I read this, can I be an internet lawyer?

No, but if you read it and then post all the funny parts here, you can be in the casebook.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

done with the bar woot

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

evilweasel posted:

done with the bar woot

Suck my dick.

...

Day 3 tomorrow. The second half of the MBE can eat my rear end.

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

CaptainScraps posted:

Suck my dick.

...

Day 3 tomorrow. The second half of the MBE can eat my rear end.

We've had one seizure (poor girl), three barfs, and a friend who started yelling at me cause I wasn't worried about the results. Now I'm worried that I'm not worried enough.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Roger_Mudd posted:

We've had one seizure (poor girl), three barfs, and a friend who started yelling at me cause I wasn't worried about the results. Now I'm worried that I'm not worried enough.

Hahahahahahah.

There's one kid from my 1L small section class who basically declared himself flag football king, refused to drink and acted very high and mighty because of it. This ended when one of the guys in our section had purple bracelets made with WW(his initials)D on them and everyone started wearing them. He was pissed when he found out and dropped off the face of the earth-- sightings of him became a thing of legend.

Well, he's taking the bar exam with us. I've allayed a lot of fears by telling everyone in that small section that seeing him is like seeing a leprechaun and we're all lucky because of it.


That and the mantra of "gently caress it, it all gets done" have helped a bit. I'm tempted to set up a table full of lucky tchotchkes (like a bingo parlor) and hiss whenever anyone goes near them.

G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 27, 2011

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

CaptainScraps posted:

words

If I don't beat 20% of test takers after 2 months of 10 hour days, then I'm an idiot and don't deserve to be a lawyer. (unless of course I fail, then the test cheated like mario on the NES)

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Roger_Mudd posted:

If I don't beat 20% of test takers after 2 months of 10 hour days, then I'm an idiot and don't deserve to be a lawyer. (unless of course I fail, then the test cheated like mario on the NES)

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Mons Hubris
Aug 29, 2004

fanci flup :)


Did not expect the MBE to be harder than the essays



What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Defleshed
Nov 18, 2004

F is for... FREEDOM

Roger_Mudd posted:

We've had one seizure (poor girl), three barfs, and a friend who started yelling at me cause I wasn't worried about the results. Now I'm worried that I'm not worried enough.

When I took the bar, a post-exam drinking session with some former classmates turned into them hissing and inching their chairs away from me when I declared "I know I passed". I have never seen so many presumably intelligent people knock on wood at once.

The bar exam sucks to prepare for and take but trust that if you did any preparation at all, you passed.

commish
Sep 17, 2009

Defleshed posted:

When I took the bar, a post-exam drinking session with some former classmates turned into them hissing and inching their chairs away from me when I declared "I know I passed". I have never seen so many presumably intelligent people knock on wood at once.

The bar exam sucks to prepare for and take but trust that if you did any preparation at all, you passed.

I was shocked at my MBE score when I got it back. Shocked. I was semi-confident after finishing the exam, but I had been semi-confident on some practice exams and bombed them. But I easily passed, and I think that's the case with most folks.

Mons Hubris
Aug 29, 2004

fanci flup :)


commish posted:

I was shocked at my MBE score when I got it back. Shocked. I was semi-confident after finishing the exam, but I had been semi-confident on some practice exams and bombed them. But I easily passed, and I think that's the case with most folks.

After finishing today, I felt like I'd performed about like I did on those Barbri practice exams where they tell you that 52% is right where you're supposed to be, except I was still getting around 52%. I neglected doing multiple choice for a week studying essay material and I'm afraid that's going to be a problem now. I definitely forgot stuff that I knew two weeks ago.

prussian advisor
Jan 15, 2007

The day you see a camera come into our courtroom, its going to roll over my dead body.
Well, I'm enjoying my two forearms full of splinters courtesy of the Florida Board of Bar Examiners. I hope for my own sake that they have newer tables for the February administration.


Linguica hosed around with this message at July 27, 2011 around 17:56

prussian advisor fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 28, 2011

Former Everything
Nov 28, 2007


Is this right?
The MBE was completely hosed. The law is nothing but fuckery.

William Lee
May 16, 2003

I guess it's about time for our William Tell routine.

prussian advisor posted:

Well, I'm enjoying my two forearms full of splinters courtesy of the Florida Board of Bar Examiners. I hope for my own sake that they have newer tables for the February administration.


Linguica hosed around with this message at July 27, 2011 around 17:56

You too, huh? My table had an uneven leg and the girl next to me was erasing every other answer today and the table was shaking like mad.

prussian advisor
Jan 15, 2007

The day you see a camera come into our courtroom, its going to roll over my dead body.

William Lee posted:

You too, huh? My table had an uneven leg and the girl next to me was erasing every other answer today and the table was shaking like mad.

Nah man, she was just rubbing her arms against the table to collect all the complimentary wood.

Also did you also find it kind of amazing just how many people there were crammed into one gargantuan room? I sat up near the front and the first time I got up and turned around and saw just how many people (literally thousands I assume) there were in the gigantic convention room, quietly scribbling away, despite the room being almost totally silent, I was a little shocked.

William Lee
May 16, 2003

I guess it's about time for our William Tell routine.

prussian advisor posted:

Nah man, she was just rubbing her arms against the table to collect all the complimentary wood.

Also did you also find it kind of amazing just how many people there were crammed into one gargantuan room? I sat up near the front and the first time I got up and turned around and saw just how many people (literally thousands I assume) there were in the gigantic convention room, quietly scribbling away, despite the room being almost totally silent, I was a little shocked.

I had heard from my dad (who took the FL bar in 1992) about the size of that room. I never really thought much of it until I walked in on the first day. I sat somewhere in the middle, seat number 018xx, and I could almost hardly see either wall on each end. It really was amazing.

Edit: I heard there were about 3,000 people taking the exam.

William Lee fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 28, 2011

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

prussian advisor posted:

Nah man, she was just rubbing her arms against the table to collect all the complimentary wood.

Also did you also find it kind of amazing just how many people there were crammed into one gargantuan room? I sat up near the front and the first time I got up and turned around and saw just how many people (literally thousands I assume) there were in the gigantic convention room, quietly scribbling away, despite the room being almost totally silent, I was a little shocked.

The scary part is that many of people will be competing with you for jobs, assuming they haven't already taken the few jobs that were out there.

prussian advisor
Jan 15, 2007

The day you see a camera come into our courtroom, its going to roll over my dead body.

Konstantin posted:

The scary part is that many of people will be competing with you for jobs, assuming they haven't already taken the few jobs that were out there.

No, I already have one (until they fire me for failing the bar.)

I could believe there were 3,000 people in that room. I was speculating with the guy I shared the table with as to what percentage of people who were there on Day 1 but not Day 2 (and it seemed significant, maybe 10-15%?) were retakers vs. just people who broke down and left in despair.

But despite horror stories from other states and the genuinely punishing state MC section in the afternoon of Day 1, I did't see a single person crying or freaking out or even looking especially glum. I was honestly surprised. Maybe even a little disappointed.

GamingOdor
Jun 8, 2001
The stench of chips.

Konstantin posted:

The scary part is that many of people will be competing with you for jobs, assuming they haven't already taken the few jobs that were out there.

No one is taking a few jobs in Florida's third world economy unless they have foreclosure mill/defense lined up. Rick Scott is even cutting funding for PD/SA and court clerk positions. Frightening how so many people are locked into that state.

Except for Prussian. Congrats bro!

prussian advisor
Jan 15, 2007

The day you see a camera come into our courtroom, its going to roll over my dead body.

blar posted:

Rick Scott is even cutting funding for PD/SA and court clerk positions.

Thanks :) I'm pretty sure this attempt actually horribly backfired on Scott, with the plan originally calling for some circuit SAO/PDs to lose lots of funding and others to gain some, but that the legislature ultimately threw out the cuts and just kept the funding boosts. I haven't bothered to verify this myself, though, and I'm sure it doesn't apply to the court clerks.

William Lee
May 16, 2003

I guess it's about time for our William Tell routine.
Surprisingly, the hivemind of xoxohth has made me feel better about the MBE. I'm positive I got most of the questions they discussed correct.

Now to go get so drunk I'll forget what I did over the last 2 days!

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Cordyceps
May 16, 2011

William Lee posted:

Surprisingly, the hivemind of xoxohth has made me feel better about the MBE. I'm positive I got most of the questions they discussed correct.

Now to go get so drunk I'll forget what I did over the last 2 days!
I was coming here to post this too. Made me feel a lot better. edit: probably not a good idea.

If we're even half right about the MBE postmortem thus far I'm gonna pass.

Cordyceps fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 28, 2011

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