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quote:A raped woman should be happy to take care of an unborn child for nine months It's unimaginably horrible to say this, but if some religious woman gave me that speech i would pretty much have to immedietly drop my pants, pop her one in the mouth start "a'rapin". Making my best effort to impregnate her of course. Also, "two rights don't make a wrong? Huh?" Flesh Croissant fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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I had to check the link, but sure enough it says "two rights don't make a wrong"... Edit: drat beaten to it!
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Jul 27, 2011 20:48
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Binowru posted:Unfortunately I've met a few conservatives (including women) who think pretty much along these lines.
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Jul 27, 2011 20:53
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Oh wow I totally glossed over the "two rights don't make a wrong" part. That's incredible.
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Jul 27, 2011 21:07
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:It's unimaginably horrible to say this, but if some religious woman gave me that speech i would pretty much have to immedietly drop my pants, pop her one in the mouth start "a'rapin". Making my best effort to impregnate her of course. Wow thats pretty horrible, those talk pages are even worse than the articles aren't they?
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Jul 27, 2011 21:07
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mattdizzleZ28 posted:It's unimaginably horrible to say this, but if some religious woman gave me that speech i would pretty much have to immedietly drop my pants, pop her one in the mouth start "a'rapin". Making my best effort to impregnate her of course. I am on my phone so maybe if this is like a gimmick I've been fooled but what in the hell?
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Jul 27, 2011 21:15
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 The following pages on Conservapedia link to this image (emphasis added): Socialism Liberal Vegetarianism Liberalism Adolf Hitler Atheist agenda Evolutionary racism Social effects of the theory of evolution Richard Dawkins' commentary on Adolf Hitler Talk:Richard Dawkins/Archive 8 Richard Dawkins Essay: Richard Dawkins' comment concerning Adolf Hitler Racial demographics of the Richard Dawkins' audience Nazism and socialism 
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Jul 27, 2011 21:19
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Oh man, the Adolf Hitler page.quote:Although there have been many attempts to slander Christianity by claiming Hitler to be a Christian, Hitler was actually an atheist. While he may have said some things during speeches to make him sound like he was a Christian for political reasons, historians agree that the evidence points to him being an atheist. It is not just parts of his speeches, and text from his book Mein Kampf that prove this, but it was also proven by his actions as well. No true Christian would slaughter the Jews like Hitler did. That is the kind of hatred of a religion that could only come from atheism; that and his Evolutionary racism. [7] This is an excellent example of the corruption that atheism can cause to the morals of a person. No True Christian, the new No True Scotsman.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:06
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Everything bad has to be related to Evolution, doesn't it? Even if his racism was based on Evolution, it was a very poor understanding of Evolution. The whole idea was that all people evolved from a common ancestor and therefor there was no superior race.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:28
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Their website is largely based on a poor understanding of the topics they're discussing. Also fallacies. God, the fallacies. For fun, count the fallacies used on the fallacy talk page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Logical_fallacy nsaP fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jul 27, 2011 |
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Jul 27, 2011 23:30
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Slamhound posted:This has got to be a troll. That's actually a much more morally consistent position than "no abortion except for cases of rape or incest." If you truly believe that fetuses are people and that abortion is murder, then you can't really legitimately argue that it "doesn't count" if the pregnancy was created by a rape.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:32
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Wow, just saw this nugget on the front page:In The News posted:Dan Peek, a Christian rock star, lived to age 60 -- far longer than the church-avoiding rock stars who died in their 20s. How very true. In fact he lived far longer than everyone who dies in their 20s, even those who go to church. Meanwhile Dan Peek has been outlived by Ozzy, Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, and Geezer Butler; the original line up of Black Sabbath. So that must mean... gently caress if I know.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:33
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Sarion posted:Wow, just saw this nugget on the front page: Keith Richards man. Keith Richards. 
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Jul 27, 2011 23:38
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nsaP posted:Keith Richards man. Keith Richards. That's the thing, there's a ton of godless Rock musicians who outlived 60, or are getting close. Hell, Metallica's members are all pushing 50 now (except Cliff of course). So I just went with Sabbath cause it's Black Sabbath. Though now that I've looked, the Conservapidia entry for Black Sabbath is really tame. I guess metal isn't as evil as it used to be.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:45
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Sarion posted:That's the thing, there's a ton of godless Rock musicians who outlived 60, or are getting close. Hell, Metallica's members are all pushing 50 now (except Cliff of course). So I just went with Sabbath cause it's Black Sabbath. Though now that I've looked, the Conservapidia entry for Black Sabbath is really tame. I guess metal isn't as evil as it used to be. Oh don't fret, there are still those who believe http://theater.goodfight.org/?vdId=Black_Sabbath
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Jul 27, 2011 23:49
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GrumpyDoctor posted:That's actually a much more morally consistent position than "no abortion except for cases of rape or incest." If you truly believe that fetuses are people and that abortion is murder, then you can't really legitimately argue that it "doesn't count" if the pregnancy was created by a rape. Hell, the reason anti-abortionists bring out the rape and incest exceptions is that it helps them sleep at night. The only legitimate exception to an anti-abortion policy is maternal health.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:59
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Binowru posted:Oh don't fret, there are still those who believe http://theater.goodfight.org/?vdId=Black_Sabbath This guy even sounds like a dork.
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Jul 27, 2011 23:59
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Binowru posted:Oh don't fret, there are still those who believe http://theater.goodfight.org/?vdId=Black_Sabbath Wow, this is great stuff. I love that they actually have an entry for Gnosticism; I had no idea it was still a threat.
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Jul 28, 2011 00:05
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Right, this is going to sound wrong on so many levels and I think it's been said by somebody else in this thread but religious women that prattle along about keeping rape babies probably have never been raped or know anyone thats been raped and become pregnant as a result of it. They kinda need to experience it before they spew their bullshit. "Two rights don't make a wrong". loving Christ.
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Jul 28, 2011 00:13
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son of a bitch.
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Jul 28, 2011 00:36
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Sarion posted:Wow, this is great stuff. I love that they actually have an entry for Gnosticism; I had no idea it was still a threat. Yeah, I freakin' love these. They treat the folktale of Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil as a literally true story.
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Jul 28, 2011 00:47
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Sarion posted:I had to check the link, but sure enough it says "two rights don't make a wrong"... They make a good lead-in to a left hook, though.
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Jul 28, 2011 00:52
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jojoinnit posted:Oh man, the Adolf Hitler page. Nice circular argument right there. Hilter was an Atheist because he killed Jews. Atheists are bad because Hitler was one and killed Jews.
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Jul 28, 2011 02:56
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best friend massage posted:"What is the Alaska sea monster? Answer: a living dinosaur.[20]" Hahahahahaha. What the gently caress is the alaska sea monster lol.
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Jul 28, 2011 03:57
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Sarion posted:Everything bad has to be related to Evolution, doesn't it? Even if his racism was based on Evolution, it was a very poor understanding of Evolution. The whole idea was that all people evolved from a common ancestor and therefor there was no superior race. Hitler literally banned Charles Darwin's books in Nazi Germany and explicitly repudiated evolutionary theory. Claiming that Hitler was a Darwinist or "evolutionist" is contrary to the historical record, which actually shows him as a young Earth creationist Christian. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA006_1.html Slamhound posted:This has got to be a troll. What really gets me about that oft-repeated argument about rape and abortion is the claim that the unwanted offspring will be adopted by other people. If that were true, why are there still so many children in foster care, group homes, orphanages, etc. waiting to be adopted? Wouldn't those kids have all been adopted by families before all those theoretical offspring from instances of rape were even conceived? GrumpyDoctor posted:That's actually a much more morally consistent position than "no abortion except for cases of rape or incest." If you truly believe that fetuses are people and that abortion is murder, then you can't really legitimately argue that it "doesn't count" if the pregnancy was created by a rape. TinTower posted:Hell, the reason anti-abortionists bring out the rape and incest exceptions is that it helps them sleep at night. The only legitimate exception to an anti-abortion policy is maternal health. But maternal health includes mental health. Can you imagine the daily psychological torture that stems from having to carry the pregnancy of the man who raped you? That kind of daily reminder of the worst thing ever to happen to you could easily cause various mental health issues, including depression, severe anxiety, and PTSD. It is inhumane to force rape victims to suffer such a fate, especially when these mental health issues can and have led to self-harm, self-destructive behavior, and even suicide. Thus, allowing rape victims to choose to terminate their pregnancies is about preventing and/or reducing death and suffering, which makes it a reasonable and logical exemption to even the most staunch anti-abortion philosophy.
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Jul 28, 2011 05:49
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Bruce Leroy posted:But maternal health includes mental health. But those children are made in God's image, even if conceived through rape. Why doesn't anyone think of the God-like children? 
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Jul 28, 2011 06:45
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Gary Dupre posted:But those children are made in God's image, even if conceived through rape. Why doesn't anyone think of the God-like children? The "god's image" crap always reminds me of this little clip by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4238NN8HMgQ
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duck monster posted:Hahahahahaha. What the gently caress is the alaska sea monster lol.
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Jul 28, 2011 08:07
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U.T. Raptor posted:I'm not familiar with it from so little information, but it's almost certainly a "globster" of some sort (a carcass, usually a whale's, that's decayed enough it's not immediately recognizable). In fundamentalist christian school as a kid they would show us the globster = sea monster photos, as well as 'proof' of noahs ark from aerial photos and also hokey faked photos of giant skeletons ( a la Goliath ) that they expected us impressionables to swallow. Oh and of course bible quotes in the 'science' textbooks. Being a young impressionable I went along with it till public middle school and pretty much lost all religious belief in a matter of a week reading my school's science books in the library. I think I didn't 'really' believe that crap in the back of my mind though - I think I went along with it because of peer pressure. Allow to think for myself for a change let me discharge 3 years of consecutive brainwashing in just a few days.
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Jul 28, 2011 09:30
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Times posted:In fundamentalist christian school as a kid they would show us the globster = sea monster photos, as well as 'proof' of noahs ark from aerial photos and also hokey faked photos of giant skeletons ( a la Goliath ) that they expected us impressionables to swallow. Oh and of course bible quotes in the 'science' textbooks. I remember being a little kid in the only family in my neighborhood not to go to some kind of religious service every week. I would watch cartoons on Sunday mornings while my friends were off somewhere, doing something that prevented them from being able to properly discuss Sunday's cartoon current events at school the next day. I finally asked them where they went (CCD classes) and was just bewildered by what they told me they were taught. I'd heard more believable stuff in the cartoons I was watching while they were away. I can only imagine the hell that is being one of Schlafly's home-schooled students.
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Jul 28, 2011 10:22
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Bruce Leroy posted:Claiming that Hitler was a Darwinist or "evolutionist" is contrary to the historical record, which actually shows him as a young Earth creationist Christian. No no no, he couldn't be a Christian because a Christian wouldn't have committed the Holocaust, just like a Christian wouldn't have committed the massacre in Norway. But Muslims...  Bruce Leroy posted:What really gets me about that oft-repeated argument about rape and abortion is the claim that the unwanted offspring will be adopted by other people. It actually is probably easier to put a child up for adoption before its even born. Infants go quickly, it's older children that its usually harder to find parents for. At least that's the impression I've always gotten, I don't have hard data to back it up though. Not that it makes their argument ok. It's still insane to say that a woman who became pregnant as a result of rape should be happy to carry the child.
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Jul 28, 2011 12:24
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nsaP posted:Their website is largely based on a poor understanding of the topics they're discussing. You don't say. Please elaborate.
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Jul 28, 2011 14:01
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If someone is bad, they clearly are not Christian, because no True Christian is bad. So they are either Muslim or Atheist, but how can you tell which one they are? Conservapedia has apparently decided Hitler is an Atheist, but he could just as easily be a Muslim. I wonder what would be the response if you just switched Atheist for Muslim in the Hitler article?
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Jul 28, 2011 15:17
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modig posted:If someone is bad, they clearly are not Christian, because no True Christian is bad. So they are either Muslim or Atheist, but how can you tell which one they are?
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Jul 28, 2011 15:26
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It's not that hard to tell the difference. Bad White Person = Atheist Bad non-White Person = Muslim
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Jul 28, 2011 15:27
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quote:Ghana Clerics Call for 'Crusade' against 'Demonic' Homosexuality [23] You see, the Christians aren't doing anything bad, all this violence and persecution is the fault of liberal gays!
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Jul 28, 2011 15:30
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Stalingrad posted:You see, the Christians aren't doing anything bad, all this violence and persecution is the fault of liberal gays! For some reason, I want to interpret this as only True Christians can hate gays. Everyone else (Muslims) are hate-mongering heathens.
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jojoinnit posted:I've had that argument before about Christian oppression during the pre-Renaissance period, and as far as I can tell, Real Christians didn't really exist until about the mid 19th century. It's like the old Emo Phillips joke: quote:Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" "True Christian" is a great term because it has no actual meaning. You get to define it to mean whatever you want and, thus, exclude everyone you want.
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Bruce Leroy posted:I remember being a little kid in the only family in my neighborhood not to go to some kind of religious service every week. I would watch cartoons on Sunday mornings while my friends were off somewhere, doing something that prevented them from being able to properly discuss Sunday's cartoon current events at school the next day. The most traumatic thing they told me was when they were teaching about the rapture. Like, reading from revelations and stuff. I cried and cried and felt betrayed by the Christian god because how could he be so cruel and allow people with doubts to suffer. I cried especially hard because I myself was having doubts. I repeated 'I don't want to die' over and over in the class sobbing and full of tears making a huge scene. They also showed us a lot of very lovely and very graphically violent ( blood, people being shot etc ) films about what will happen to the people on earth after the rapture. By that time I was insular to the rapture nonsense so my reaction was 'wow why are they showing this horrible violent crap to kids when they took away my 'hero quest' game when I brought it on a rainy school day.' I think my faith was unraveling at that point. And I was like 11 years old at the time. Also as a side note, one of the pivotal little moments when my faith was eroding was seeing a dog failing at 'the mirror test' on tv. At the time my mind knee jerked 'wow that's like what happens when people pray to god - they think they are seeing another dog instead of themselves.'. I did not know what the term atheist was at the time but I basically was one after that. This was somewhere during middle school. Also of all the bullying I received as a kid none were crueler or more vindictive than Christian school kids. From backstabbing to conspiring to torment to assaulting to picking on anyone slightly 'different' ( I liked this one ugly girl with a snot drip problem because no one else was nice to her and got picked on horribly for it ) and reading crap like the schaflys or the yes on 8 idiots, it appears that for those who failed to escape that upbringing of hypocrisy and venom for others perpetuate it in adulthood. Fundamentalist Christians of this particular variety on the whole are the most unpleasant vile 'evil' people that you will ever meet with venom for everyone including those in their own flock they see as weak. From my experience I really think that vileness comes from believing things like the rapture myth and that their inherent superiority is not only evident but will be proven by fiat some day. Therefore they can blind themselves to their own cruelty and pick on anyone who is different. Perversely they will call their cruelty 'love' sometimes. Some of the fundie kids called their tormenting of others 'tough love' a phrase they learned from the adult fundies. When you believe you are better than anyone else, you basically can rewrite reality to cast you not as a cruel compulsively lying rear end in a top hat, but as a messenger for the salvation of mankind. To me I'll always see it for what it is thanks to my experiences in Christian school - bigotry. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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Gorilla Salad posted:It's like the old Emo Phillips joke: I would broaden that to 'true believer.' I think only the subgenius and discordians deliberately try to be wrong about their beliefs on purpose to show that they are true believers. You can't know the mind of Eris or "Bob" so why not make poo poo up. The best people at making poo poo up are the true believers. Incidentally this is identical to virtually any other religion except that we admit we're making poo poo up. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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