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The Escape/Tribute seems to sell pretty well, so its not really a bad bet to make a softer, more economical, easier to drive SUV.
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davebo posted:For me it's been a glorified station wagon since my best friend's mom bought the Eddie Bauer edition in the early 90's. And of course by the late 90's his younger brother had flipped the thing over in the rain and had to crawl out through the sunroof. I honestly don't understand why suv's are any "cooler" than wagons. You know what was cool? My sister and I sitting in the back seat of a wagon in a 12 hour road trip facing backwards, getting truckers to honk their horns. Again, perceptions. Families needed to haul people and cargo and couldn't do that in a sedan. Minivans and SUVs weren't there/ready for most people yet. (Then again, they were ready in the late 80s or early 90s either but alas) They didn't handle well and then you had the Woody crazy all over the place that went stale REALLY fast. Minivans and SUVs came along and offered a bit more utility with the high up driving position. Made drivers feel all dominating despite the fact their rides sucked almost as bad as the wagons they sold off in droves.
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Jul 28, 2011 18:43
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DJ Commie posted:The Escape/Tribute seems to sell pretty well, so its not really a bad bet to make a softer, more economical, easier to drive SUV. Agreed, I'd rather have Ford offer a more economical Explorer for soccer moms than just continue churning out the same old thing. I'm assuming they will also offer one with a bigger motor and heavy duty suspension for towing small boats and whatnot.
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Jul 28, 2011 18:58
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leica posted:Agreed, I'd rather have Ford offer a more economical Explorer for soccer moms than just continue churning out the same old thing. I'm assuming they will also offer one with a bigger motor and heavy duty suspension for towing small boats and whatnot. Nope, the V6 version can still only tow 5,000lbs. Ford and GM have both given up that market. The new Dodge Durango can still tow, being RWD with a V8 and all, for the same price as the Explorer.
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Jul 28, 2011 19:12
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Ford also sells the Flex and Edge crossovers too. With those alternatives, Ford could've kept the Explorer as true truck-based SUV, but I guess the end of the Ranger doesn't help either.
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Are people here really upset that there's one less "truck sold as a car" out there? Ford has made an "SUV" that most of the SUVs market seems to want to buy that has car height bumpers, isn't incredbily heavy/top heavy, isn't a gas guzzler. For years they've been selling the explorer to people who should have a car but want a truck. Now they're selling a car to to someone who thinks they're buying a truck. quote:only tow 5,000lbs Seriously? only? Do you want more than 5000lbs behind a car with irs? The toyota 4runner is 5000lbs, the chevy colorado max is 6000lbs, the toyota tacoma is 6500lbs, the 1/2 ton pick-up based toyota sequoia is 7100lbs. Not everything with a tow hitch needs to tow 11,000lbs
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Jul 28, 2011 21:24
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Powershift posted:For years they've been selling the explorer to people who should have a car but want a truck. Now they're selling a car to to someone who thinks they're buying a truck. This is probably the most insightful thing posted in this thread in a long time. No thanks to me, of course.
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Jul 28, 2011 22:01
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Powershift posted:
The Durango V8 is a car with IRS that drives better than the Explorer and can tow 7,400lbs? It's even pretty close to the V6 Explorer in price. That's why I said Ford and GM have surrendered the market to Chrysler. The only other car(not 1/2t BOF truck) with IRS, 3 row seating and similar tow capacity is its platform mate Mercedes GL, which costs 2x as much. I would take it even if I don't tow - who wants a FWD 4 cylinder when you can have a V8?
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Throatwarbler posted:who wants a FWD 4 cylinder when you can have a V8? People buying based on price and fuel efficiency?
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Motronic posted:People buying based on price and fuel efficiency? Currently, an Explorer Limited V6 FWD already costs $2,000 more than a similarly equipped Durango V8 R/T RWD. According to the press release, the I4 Explorer will cost an additional $995 more than a comparable V6. So you pay $3k more for the Exploder with a 240hp I4, which at current fuel prices in the US will take about 55,000 miles to recover in fuel economy savings at the Explorer's combined 23mpg vs the V8 Durango's 16mpg.
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Jul 28, 2011 23:51
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Throatwarbler posted:Currently, an Explorer Limited V6 FWD already costs $2,000 more than a similarly equipped Durango V8 R/T RWD. According to the press release, the I4 Explorer will cost an additional $995 more than a comparable V6. A v8 lariat f-150 is $200 less, weighs about the same, tows far more, and gets 1mpg better combined. But it seats 1 less, so chrysler has that massive 2 adults + 5 kids + 7400lb boat market on lock.
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Powershift posted:A v8 lariat f-150 is $200 less, weighs about the same, tows far more, and gets 1mpg better combined. The F150 is made out of railroad ties and oxcart suspension. You're the one who first made the car based vs 1/2ton truck based distinction.  And you seriously don't think the 2 adults +5 kids + 7400lb boat market isn't massive? How many Tahoes and Expeditions do you think they sell every year?
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Jul 29, 2011 00:16
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Throatwarbler posted:The Durango V8 is a car with IRS that drives better than the Explorer and can tow 7,400lbs? It's even pretty close to the V6 Explorer in price. That's why I said Ford and GM have surrendered the market to Chrysler. The only other car(not 1/2t BOF truck) with IRS, 3 row seating and similar tow capacity is its platform mate Mercedes GL, which costs 2x as much. I would take it even if I don't tow - who wants a FWD 4 cylinder when you can have a V8? Nissan Pathfinder, up to 7,000 towing.
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D C posted:Nissan Pathfinder, up to 7,000 towing. Pathfinder is BOF?
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Throatwarbler posted:Pathfinder is BOF? The Pathfinder is definitely a 7 seater Edit: Hax, sure you said it wasn't
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dissss posted:The Pathfinder is definitely a 7 seater Yeah I got it confused with the Xterra for about 2 minutes. 
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Throatwarbler posted:Nope, the V6 version can still only tow 5,000lbs. Ford and GM have both given up that market. The new Dodge Durango can still tow, being RWD with a V8 and all, for the same price as the Explorer. Um, more like YEP? 5k is significantly more than what the four banger can tow so I don't see how I was wrong. 5k is pretty drat good for FWD, obviously if you need more than that you would look elsewhere, but for towing a small boat, trailer or camper it would be just fine.
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Throatwarbler posted:And you seriously don't think the 2 adults +5 kids + 7400lb boat market isn't massive? How many Tahoes and Expeditions do you think they sell every year? How many of those have all seven seats filled with live humans at any point?
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Cakefool posted:How many of those have all seven seats filled with live humans at any point?
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Not to mention that it's nice to be able to move large amounts of stuff at the same time as, say, 4 people. My Dad drives a GL diesel, and it's been full up with people and/or stuff frequently enough that it was probably a worthwhile investment. And it gets better mileage than my car, so it's not like it's horribly wasteful to drive when you're not hauling lots of people or stuff.
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Cakefool posted:How many of those have all seven seats filled with live humans at any point? Hardly ever. Mine's always just used for hauling dead ones.
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I think we all know that the 2nd gen Nissan Cube was the best looking little cube car   bonus Cubeamino 
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Cream_Filling posted:bonus Cubeamino Provide me with all the information you have on this here vehicle.
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Jul 29, 2011 18:55
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Provide me with all the information you have on this here vehicle. http://jalopnik.com/169340/holy-nissan-its-the-cube+amino Origin link is dead, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k52cg8k5YrI
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Provide me with all the information you have on this here vehicle. Sometimes when I'm having a bad day I go and surf Dream Factory Blow's website, and everything is right with the world again.           
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Cream_Filling posted:I think we all know that the 2nd gen Nissan Cube was the best looking little cube car I looked at this photo and then automatically wondered why I think the Cube is so ugly. Then I remembered what the current Cube looks like. They should have left it alone.
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travisray2004 posted:I looked at this photo and then automatically wondered why I think the Cube is so ugly. Then I remembered what the current Cube looks like. They should have left it alone. Wrong box car.
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travisray2004 posted:I looked at this photo and then automatically wondered why I think the Cube is so ugly. Then I remembered what the current Cube looks like. They should have left it alone. It may not be great looking but at least it's not a Scion XB.
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D C posted:Wrong box car. All one in the same nowadays. 69sofine posted:It may not be great looking but at least it's not a Scion XB. Motherfucking touche.
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I've been fairly interested in the Hyundai Veloster which is destined for Australia sometime later this year. It's got a suicde door but terrible looking wheels and a fat arse. http://www.caradvice.com.au/124151/hyundai-veloster-review-first-drive/
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That Veloster looks pretty good. You can always change the wheels. Stock wheels are never too great.
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tobu posted:I've been fairly interested in the Hyundai Veloster which is destined for Australia sometime later this year. It's got a suicde door but terrible looking wheels and a fat arse. It's a regular third door. like 69sofine said, you can change wheels.
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And it doesn't have a suicide door. Just a door.
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I'm not actually interested in trading my Skyline in for a Hyundai... and drat you're right. The new mini has the single suicide door.
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Jul 30, 2011 04:04
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Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with the other guys here, it looks not bad. I'd say it's filling the same "sportier than a normal hatchback, but not actually a sportscar" role that the VW Scirocco occupies, and at first glance I think I prefer the Hyundai.
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InitialDave posted:Yeah, I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with the other guys here, it looks not bad. I'd say it's filling the same "sportier than a normal hatchback, but not actually a sportscar" role that the VW Scirocco occupies, and at first glance I think I prefer the Hyundai. It'll most certainly be much cheaper, not sure how S. Korea does in the reliability department compared to sie Germans.
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tobu posted:I've been fairly interested in the Hyundai Veloster which is destined for Australia sometime later this year. It's got a suicde door but terrible looking wheels and a fat arse.
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I was excited about the toyota subie powered sports car but for 25k you only get 200 hp. Meh, I will buy a 500hp mustang and supercharge it. Oxcart owns.
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Boiled Water posted:It'll most certainly be much cheaper, not sure how S. Korea does in the reliability department compared to sie Germans.
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tobu posted:I've been fairly interested in the Hyundai Veloster which is destined for Australia sometime later this year. It's got a suicde door but terrible looking wheels and a fat arse. I saw one in person at a show, it was a nice little car, well put together. On the driver's side it has a long door like a coupe and on the passenger side it has two smaller doors like a sedan. I heard they might also put out a turbo version if the original does well which would give it 200+hp
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