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crankdatbatman posted:Also, on that note, how long did Hulk Hogan keep the WWF title in the 80's? I keep hearing it was like a 5 year reign or something like that, but I seriously have no idea how they could book that without it getting stale. Guys were much less exposed back then. You'd only ever see Name Wrestler vs. Name Wrestler at a house show, on Saturday Night's Main Event or PPV (and there were months between PPVs, not 3-4 weeks). Most of the time on TV, it was jobber squashes. This led to storylines that ran for much longer than they do today and much longer title runs. Compare that to now where the main guys are on tv every week and PPV every 3-4 weeks. edit - And the shows are 2 hours instead of one, and a main event guy could be in a ton of segments during one episode. In addition to all that, the business model has changed. TV used to support the live events, which were the real cash cow. Now the live events are there to support TV, PPV and DVD sales, as I understand it. Perry Normal fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jul 28, 2011 |
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^^^^^^e;b, I'll just leave my own question in here: I've got a really specific question. I remember this Orton match where he went for his gutwrench stalling neckbreaker (he's been pulling it out again lately) but the setup got botched like three times. He finally gave up and just did a DDT or something instead, then kinda smirked at the crowd like "yeeeeeah, I know..." What match was this? I feel like it was 2004ish.
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Oatgan posted:I remembering loathing the RAW main event scene during the entire tenure of Evolution. Meanwhile, Smackdown had the vastly superior Team Angle His reality TV show ended early due to his family exploding.
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crankdatbatman posted:Foochs, don't you go to Wake Forest? I remember you lamenting your team in some TFFs GDTs last season. Graduate of Wake, yes. Hence why I'm in NC now.  HHH's RoT was like, mind-boggling with how awful it was. Evolution got over Randy and Batista but it buried so many other people in the process.
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Minidust posted:I've got a really specific question. I remember this Orton match where he went for his gutwrench stalling neckbreaker (he's been pulling it out again lately) but the setup got botched like three times. He finally gave up and just did a DDT or something instead, then kinda smirked at the crowd like "yeeeeeah, I know..." What match was this? I feel like it was 2004ish. Holy gently caress, I know this one off the top of my head (kind of). It was during the Booker/Benoit best of 7 series on Smackdown, when Booker got hurt and Orton took over for him. Not sure which match, but it would have been later in the series, I want to say somewhere 4-7. And I remember it being a bit different than you do - I feel like he tried it a couple times, and Benoit kept sort of blocking it, so Orton just smirked and DDT'd him. Cannot believe I remember this so vividly.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:HHH's RoT was like, mind-boggling with how awful it was. Evolution got over Randy and Batista but it buried so many other people in the process. I remember everyone absolutely hating how long HHH's run went with that title and the moment it was over they turned around and booked JBL with a 9 month reign on Smackdown and everyone was pissed off again... Well I didn't mind it so much. I love JBL promos.
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JBL and his Cabinet sucked until the tranquillizer/Godzilla promo in Japan. That redeemed the entire thing.
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Lone Rogue posted:JBL and his Cabinet sucked until the tranquillizer/Godzilla promo in Japan. That redeemed the entire thing. H-h-hes... he's a tyrannosaurus rex... he eats pizza... and little japanese fellas.
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Lone Rogue posted:JBL and his Cabinet sucked until the tranquillizer/Godzilla promo in Japan. That redeemed the entire thing. That was the best part of the cabinet part of jbl's heel run.
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Toadofsky posted:If I were a professor and I taught a class in that building I would start every lecture with HEY YO. The students would love me. "So I'm going to announce the grades for the class project. Survey says...One more for the good guys." (heel turn on the dean)
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Holy gently caress, I know this one off the top of my head (kind of). It was during the Booker/Benoit best of 7 series on Smackdown, when Booker got hurt and Orton took over for him. Not sure which match, but it would have been later in the series, I want to say somewhere 4-7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEVPIjZD-0&t=3m12s
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Minidust posted:Thanks! Based on that I managed to find it on YouTube. It's weird, the first attempt looks as if Benoit is blocking it like you said, but the second attempt definitely looks like a botch, and Orton's reaction to it is even better than I remembered: Haha I remember this, kudos to you Strenuous Manflurry. I thought it was during the Orton/Benoit Raw rematch after Summerslam 2005. Wasn't Orton just coming back from a shoulder injury at the time? Could explain it.
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When Austin returned after his neck surgery and before he turned heel he had a feud with Triple H (I think it was over Triple H running him over with a car). I recall one night Triple H was giving a promo against Austin, with Triple H in the ring and Austin near the entrance. Triple H said something near the end of the promo like "Yeah, Austin, you're a BMF, a big mother fucker", of course the profanity was bleeped out. After he said this, I think Austin looked at him like Triple H had slapped Austin's mother and I think he charged him. Of course, I'm not quite sure Triple H actually said that word but it was implied. Were they allowed to get away with saying that stuff in front of audiences back then? I know the content was much more adult-oriented back then, but children still went to the shows, I'm sure. I remember the Kat went topless at a PPV once after winning the Women's Championship. Are there any other instances of really adult language, content, or even nudity in wrestling?
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crankdatbatman posted:When Austin returned after his neck surgery and before he turned heel he had a feud with Triple H (I think it was over Triple H running him over with a car). I recall one night Triple H was giving a promo against Austin, with Triple H in the ring and Austin near the entrance. Triple H said something near the end of the promo like "Yeah, Austin, you're a BMF, a big mother fucker", of course the profanity was bleeped out. After he said this, I think Austin looked at him like Triple H had slapped Austin's mother and I think he charged him. Of course, I'm not quite sure Triple H actually said that word but it was implied. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lodEzAzdx8&t=4m09s
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Am I the only person who doesn't like El Generico? I find his over-the-top selling to be awful and distracting.
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Karl Ontario posted:Am I the only person who doesn't like El Generico? I find his over-the-top selling to be awful and distracting. gently caress you. 
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Karl Ontario posted:Am I the only person who doesn't like El Generico? I find his over-the-top selling to be awful and distracting. I heard about your sort.
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Karl Ontario posted:Am I the only person who doesn't like El Generico? I find his over-the-top selling to be awful and distracting. Eat a dick.
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Karl Ontario posted:Am I the only person who doesn't like El Generico? I find his over-the-top selling to be awful and distracting. Pretty much, yes. Generico owns. He eat your babies, like a buffet.
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Karl Ontario posted:Am I the only person who doesn't like El Generico? I find his over-the-top selling to be awful and distracting. Guess you don't like pro wrestling. Find a new hobby.
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Minidust posted:Thanks! Based on that I managed to find it on YouTube. It's weird, the first attempt looks as if Benoit is blocking it like you said, but the second attempt definitely looks like a botch, and Orton's reaction to it is even better than I remembered: Okay, that does looked botched. How little I knew of wrestling 6 years ago.
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how can someone enjoy this stupid sport and not like el generico?
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I dunno I guess I just love wacky characters - and as wacky as a fake mexican is, he doesn't speak and has no discernible personality beyond "he's got a mask! he drops people on the turnbuckle pads!" ... from the stuff I've seen
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Beeswax posted:I dunno I guess I just love wacky characters - and as wacky as a fake mexican is, he doesn't speak and has no discernible personality beyond "he's got a mask! he drops people on the turnbuckle pads!" Seriously, if you post something like this and try to explain it with "from the stuff I've seen" then you really haven't seen much. I'm being straight with you, watch more of his work.
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Beeswax posted:I dunno I guess I just love wacky characters - and as wacky as a fake mexican is, he doesn't speak and has no discernible personality beyond "he's got a mask! he drops people on the turnbuckle pads!" So you didn't watch anything of Generico's from the entire year of 2010 where he was feuding with Kevin Steen?
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Beeswax posted:I dunno I guess I just love wacky characters - and as wacky as a fake mexican is, he doesn't speak and has no discernible personality beyond "he's got a mask! he drops people on the turnbuckle pads!" It's not that he doesn't speak, he doesn't speak English, and he really doesn't speak Spanish, so you get hosed up promos like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDH5Cp7_4Iw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv6qrCoN3GI
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Wow, you guys are being assholes to the guy. If you took the mask and gimmick away from Generico, nobody would give a poo poo about the guy.
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ChampRamp posted:Wow, you guys are being assholes to the guy. If you took the mask and gimmick away from Generico, nobody would give a poo poo about the guy. I didn't mean for my comment to be rear end in a top hat-y but couldn't you say the exact same thing about the Undertaker?
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:I didn't mean for my comment to be rear end in a top hat-y but couldn't you say the exact same thing about the Undertaker? Nah, Taker is a tall guy who can (or at least used to) move well. Probably better than anyone else his height. There's a bunch of guys who can do what Generico does. I wasn't really referring to your comment, but the eat a dick poo poo.
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ChampRamp posted:I wasn't really referring to your comment, but the eat a dick poo poo. Christ, it's called a joke.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Christ, it's called a joke. Yeah, I think we were all being a little bit overly defensive for comedic effect. But Generico is great. He gets across this good-natured, sweet, endearing character so well. And (as I understand it, I mostly seen him in PWG and Chikara, not ROH) his Steen feud was all about him being forced away from those aspects of his character. Sure, there's a lot of guys who could do the same things he does physically, but I'm not sure how many of them would be as effective in terms of connecting with their audience.
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Minidust posted:This one jumped to mind, I figure Stephanie was supposed to interrupt The Rock and she was late: There was also Austin saying "bullshit blue suit" to Vince about a month or two back on RAW. How that one missed the censor and didn't cause a flap (due to TV-PG) is anyone's guess.
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Lots of indy guys can physically do what the other guys do, so I don't really understand that complaint. What sets some above others to me is they're good enough to put the different pieces together and make it great. Also, this.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Christ, it's called a joke. Nope, I never joke. I literally want everyone with differing opinions than my own to find a dick, cook it to their liking, and eat it.
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El Generico is one of the best wrestlers in the world with or without the mask. Undertaker wasn't consistently having good matches until 2002 or so, so yeah he pretty much just was all gimmick until then.
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El Generico can pretty much work any style of match on any part of the card and make it exciting and compelling to watch, he's an incredible wrestler.
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El Generico is the loving best wrestler in the world and has been able to stay so fresh despite the fact that he really hasn't changed anything about his character in 8 years. He is loving awesome.
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