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ShoogaSlim posted:Defending any band by saying "who cares what you think of ____, look how popular/big they are" is a terrible method of doing so. I know we're in the metalcore thread and not the hardcore thread so maybe nobody here gives a poo poo, I dunno. I'm only saying that because you seem to have the mentality of "I am shoogaslim, your band sucks the end *only listens to metalcore from 2003 and earlier* and get angry over other people posting bands when you could probably just ignore them.
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drat guys. Take a chillpill. We're stupid idiots making stupid music for your listening pleasure. If you like it, cool. If you don't, that's cool. I'm glad a conversation came out of this!
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Aug 1, 2011 04:02
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Fine music time: What are everyones thoughts on this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swp5t9U0e0U&ob=av3e
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Aug 1, 2011 04:43
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Fine music time: I've always kind of liked Trivium. They're not a band I listen to that much but they have talent and they do a good job balancing the melody and screaming.
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Aug 1, 2011 04:48
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Trivium has come up a few times before in this thread. I can't stand them.
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Aug 1, 2011 16:04
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ShoogaSlim posted:Trivium has come up a few times before in this thread. I can't stand them. Shocking!  To add actual content: I really love a lot of their music and they have some incredibly skilled people (especially their new drummer, which shits all over travis smith) however i've heard (from multiple people, including people in this thread!) that they can be real assholes to fans. chocolateTHUNDER fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Aug 1, 2011 |
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Aug 1, 2011 16:11
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ShoogaSlim posted:Defending any band by saying "who cares what you think of ____, look how popular/big they are" is a terrible method of doing so. I know we're in the metalcore thread and not the hardcore thread so maybe nobody here gives a poo poo, I dunno. Yeah, I was about to say there is a place for being silly or ironic with your music and it's called metal! It's clear to see that you are looking at it with a hardcore mindset, but some dudes just want to drink some beers and make music about silly stuff while dressed up in costumes. Metalcore has both this kind of bands and sincere dudes with a message that means everything to them and a whole lot of bands inbetween. As long as people dont develop a sort of attitude about their kind of music, I'm cool with both. 
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Aug 1, 2011 21:03
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ShoogaSlim posted:In my opinion if you're going to bother wasting your effort, talent and time creating music, it should reflect something that's important to you. It's hard to represent a certain mindset or message through guitars and drums alone which is why the lyrics and the words that come across as part of a bands presentation are important. Well I can tell with complete certainty that the music my dudes play isn't lacking in sincerity. Organ Donor is about our friend Trevor needing a heart valve transplant, and having to collect cans and turn them in to get him his transplant. Homefield Advantage is about winning at foozball and then getting laid. I Wanna Be A Dinosaur is about how badass dinosaurs are. Tell me you don't want to be a dinosaur? Seems like every kid wanted to be a dinosaur when they grew up! Fishing With Dad... I'll let you guess what that's about. Groovicorn is basically just our excuse to write some wicked jams. The songs may not resonate with you, but that can't mean that they don't have sincerity or a message. We just like to be silly; not everything has to be super serious, and I think we provide a contrasting position against a backdrop of SUPER SERIOUS METAL. People say there 'isn't room for silliness in METAL', or whatever, but I call bullshit because believe it or not no matter how serious your lyrical content, all this music is unbelievably silly.
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Aug 1, 2011 21:12
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Slander, your song meanings pretty much prove my point except for "organ donor". I also wholeheartedly disagree with the fact that music has to be silly. To me raeggaeton is sillier than any metal you can throw at me (well, almost) and that goes the same for a bunch of other kinds of popular music. elbkaida, I agree that there is a place for silliness and a party mentality in metal and I can't help but say that I love bands like Cannibal Corpse and Behemoth because they just resonate evil gore and an all around bad rear end image. Although Behemoth does seem to have a point to get across that I identify with, CC is more just goregorekilldeath which is cool too.
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Aug 1, 2011 22:45
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Rose Funeral recently(?) put up a new song from their upcoming album. Sounds more black metal than death but I dig it. http://www.facebook.com/rosefuneralmusic?sk=app_178091127385
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As someone on the other spectrum from Shooga, I can definitely see where he's coming from. My favorite band is HORSE the band, and I still think that Super Happy etc etc. band has a bad and detrimental name. But at the same time, to me, the balance between silliness and sincerity is what I love about this kind of music. I think it's a mistake to be so caught up in the preconceived notions of what metal is supposed to be, and to take it so super seriously. Metal is a dorky genre. I think more bands should embrace that. I still don't like that name though. It just really gives off the vibe that the band is simply about making fun of metal. That's fun in small spurts, but to have your band name dedicated to that? Eh, I dunno. I like the music a lot so that is all that truly matters at the end of the day, but that band should be aware that their name is placing their band into the same bin as crabcore poo poo like Attack Attack and I Killed the Duck Hunt Dog before their music is even heard. I think they should keep it silly, but maybe tone it down a little bit, and have a band name that isn't JUST silliness. It should be something at least vaguely important to the bandmembers.
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the Bunt posted:Stuff THIS is a post I can get behind. I think everyone is entitled to make the music they wanna make, but before even hearing their music the name makes me think of bands like you mentioned. If that'd what your going for than...cool I guess. Metal in general is ridiculous anyway, look at the names in any genre of metal.
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Aug 2, 2011 03:51
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Keeping on the trend of Trivium, apparently the new album has leaked.
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quote:Silliness conversation Ultimately, I believe, the music speaks for itself. I think there are lots of preconceived notions we could have about any band name, and neither myself nor the band are worried about anyone placing us in any derogatory category, because I think the music will clearly set us apart from those faggots once anyone listens to more than 14 seconds of any song. That will be especially true if they see us live.
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Aug 2, 2011 05:05
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Zzu posted:Keeping on the trend of Trivium, apparently the new album has leaked. Most of it is up on youtube now. From what I've heard its pretty loving good. It probably wont change your mind if your not a Trivium fan though.
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Aug 2, 2011 05:28
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Slander, your whole problem is the fact that there are, without a doubt, plenty of people who will immediately dismiss the band because of the name. There might even be people who dig the music but reject supporting the band because of a stupid name like that. It literally takes ZERO effort to come up with a band name like that. Rainbow Magic Carpet Ride, there I just came up with another one without even thinking more than 10 seconds about it. There's a reason people in bands sit around brainstorming about what they should bother calling themselves. And what's this whole notion that metal is dorky?! That doesn't make any loving sense whatsoever. Japanese video game music techno is dorky. Metal, like hardcore, punk or other forms of "extreme" music, is about rebellion through and through.
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Aug 2, 2011 05:31
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ShoogaSlim posted:...your whole problem... ...rebellion through and through. I fail to see a problem. We're rebelling against this rule of yours that states that all metal should be delivered with a completely serious demeanor. That wrinkles your skin a little bit, and that's a little bit of the point. We're not here to be everything to everyone, we're here to make music we enjoy. If we're breaking someone else's tradition, it's rebellion. If we break your tradition (i.e. serious METAL), then it's totally lame. We'll keep on keeping on, and silly name or not, if we keep killing it at shows and impressing kids (and adults) the name will come to mean something much greater than just the sum meaning of the words. In some ways this has already happened. Name's a name. Slander fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 2, 2011 |
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Slander posted:Ultimately, I believe, the music speaks for itself. I think there are lots of preconceived notions we could have about any band name, and neither myself nor the band are worried about anyone placing us in any derogatory category, because I think the music will clearly set us apart from those faggots once anyone listens to more than 14 seconds of any song. Not gonna lie, I was seriously considering buying the album to support such a fun band but I'm really not liking your use of the word "faggots". Think I'm gonna pass.
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heeebrew posted:Think I'm gonna pass. Save your 5 bux and buy yourself a sense of humor, instead.
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So, Between The Buried and Me are doing a North America headlining tour this fall with Animals as Leaders and Tesseract as support! I'm super stoked for this. Going to the Tampa date! http://www.metalinjection.net/tour-dates/buried-animals-leaders-tesseract-north-american-tour-dates-announced
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MalConstant posted:So, Between The Buried and Me are doing a North America headlining tour this fall with Animals as Leaders and Tesseract as support! I'm super stoked for this. Going to the Tampa date! Holy poo poo! In Boston you can add DEP on top of that. I am so going to this.
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omfg. BTBAM Animals as Leaders and Tesseract is way loving awesome. ShoogaSlim posted:
Metal is dorky because people often get so caught up in the "brutality" and badassness of it that they can't look at themselves or their music with a sense of humor even though they are screaming about loving girls with a chainsaw or whatever gore mad libs they come up with. It's music that really fat geeks or really skinny geeks use to make themselves feel empowered. It is not as big of a leap from video game techno music as you're trying to make yourself believe. there's nothing wrong with any of that by the way, and I agree that rebellion is a big part of it too, but it's pretty embarrassing when people treat it like a religious ceremony.
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Thank you, you summed it up better than I could have!
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I am absolutely not referring to gore porn inspired lyrics. I'm thinking of, very specifically, old Metallica that had politically and socially charged influence in their lyrics. I can only imagine even earlier pioneers like Sabbath and Zeppelin did the same. There's also nothing dorky about self empowerment. I'm not saying that you cant have fun with metal but you're essentially throwing any seriousness about it under the loving bus.
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ShoogaSlim posted:I am absolutely not referring to gore porn inspired lyrics. I'm thinking of, very specifically, old Metallica that had politically and socially charged influence in their lyrics. I can only imagine even earlier pioneers like Sabbath and Zeppelin did the same. So what?
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:So what? You called new Trivium "pretty loving good" so I really don't think we're on the same page whatsoever.
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ShoogaSlim posted:You called new Trivium "pretty loving good" so I really don't think we're on the same page whatsoever. Other than agreeing that that band's name is dumb I don't think many people here are on your page at all. We get it, but as you may be starting to see, many people listen to music for different reasons than you apparently do. Such as, listening to music that they enjoy based on what it sounds like. Stuff like seriousness and rebellions and whatnot just isn't important to most people.
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ShoogaSlim posted:I can only imagine even earlier pioneers like Sabbath and Zeppelin did the same. Uh Zeppelin had poo poo tons of lyrics about Lord of the Rings IIRC
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ShoogaSlim posted:You called new Trivium "pretty loving good" so I really don't think we're on the same page whatsoever. Haha jesus christ your beating a dead horse that everyone disagrees with you on so just drop it already.
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krustster posted:Other than agreeing that that band's name is dumb I don't think many people here are on your page at all. We get it, but as you may be starting to see, many people listen to music for different reasons than you apparently do. Such as, listening to music that they enjoy based on what it sounds like. Stuff like seriousness and rebellions and whatnot just isn't important to most people. Don't speak for "most people" when the only frame of reference you have are the handful of goons that post in this thread. I grew up in a large community of people in NYC that all share the same values as me. Frankly, all the kids getting into the heavy music who don't care about the convictions behind it are pretty much everything that's wrong with the scene today. Wise words from The Acacia Strain's Vincent Bennett: "Keep your nose out of hype, if you like a band just because your friends like a band and you don't know their loving message.. cut the poo poo. You learn what a band is about before you back that band" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmblR6aEwW4
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We get it dude. You don't like a lot of the bands posted here. You've said the same thing over and over again.
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ShoogaSlim posted:Don't speak for "most people" when the only frame of reference you have are the handful of goons that post in this thread. I grew up in a large community of people in NYC that all share the same values as me. Frankly, all the kids getting into the heavy music who don't care about the convict ions behind it are pretty much everything that's wrong with the scene today. Believe it or not I know people in real life too. I mean if this is how you see The Heavy Music Scene and it works for you that's fine, but for me and plenty of people I know (in real life) a band's lyrics are of secondary importance compared to their sound. Now if we were all in here talking about image and looks then you'd have a pretty valid complaint. quote:Wise words from The Acacia Strain's Vincent Bennett: A band's convictions are fine but I see it more as a bonus. I mean if their message is awesome but they sound like poop then why listen? Conversely, if they have a stupid message but I like the actual music then I'm going to listen to it even if I disagree. I mean if messages were most important to me then I'd spend more time reading articles or something instead of listening to music. I really don't know why you're arguing about this like there's one right way to look at it.
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I don't mean to make it seem like I think there's only one way to look at it. Underoath and Emery are two of my favorite bands and they're explicitly Christian bands, which is totally opposite from my religious beliefs. However, they do also express secular messages that I do identify with. I'm not saying I agree 100% with every word out of the mouth of every band I listen to. However, message is something that will make me respect a band much more and will make me listen to a band much more. If I only dig the music of a band but that's as far as it goes, I'm much more inclined to stop listening after a short period.
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Would now be a bad time to chime in and say I don't like Trivium either?
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XIII posted:Would now be a bad time to chime in and say I don't like Trivium either? No because everyone is entitled to their opinion it just gets really loving annoying when you keep saying the same poo poo over and over again even when people tell you they no longer care 
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Going to see The Dillinger Escape Plan in Dublin tonight, I suppose I should expect to be maimed at some point.
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Every time I've seen them play in the past couple years I always just flip a switch from "normal" to "freak the gently caress out" during 43% Burnt. It's the only song by them that I even care about anymore.
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I got the new Bury Your Dead tape. It has the rather dumb title of "Mosh N Roll" but as you may remember, Mat Bruso is back. I guess the fan reaction after their last two albums with Myke had a strong effect on them because it's olde-tyme BYD at its finest. I only listened to it once so far but it seems like everything you could want from a Bury Your Dead album. It even ends with a "BURY YOUR loving DEAD" chant! It's like the good old days all over again. I like it.
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Finally, a situation where my Spotify account actually becomes useful. Mosh N Roll is available to listen to so I'm gonna check it out at work. I was a fan of old Bury Your Dead and hated the poo poo that they turned into. I'm not expecting anything groundbreaking though just because the old singer is back. e: Jesus.. I skipped right to the updated version of the actual "Mosh N Roll" and you think they could have dragged out the intro any fuckin longer? 
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krustster posted:I got the new Bury Your Dead tape. It has the rather dumb title of "Mosh N Roll" but as you may remember, Mat Bruso is back. I guess the fan reaction after their last two albums with Myke had a strong effect on them because it's olde-tyme BYD at its finest. I only listened to it once so far but it seems like everything you could want from a Bury Your Dead album. It even ends with a "BURY YOUR loving DEAD" chant! It's like the good old days all over again. I like it. *cums* Can't wait to get that. Old BYD rules. The albums with whoever Not Mat Bruso is were loving atrocious
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