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Elephanthead posted:I was excited about the toyota subie powered sports car but for 25k you only get 200 hp. Meh, I will buy a 500hp mustang and supercharge it. Oxcart owns. Isn't it supposed to be really light though? But yeah I see your point, hell a base Mustang or Camaro has 300hp.
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tobu posted:I've been fairly interested in the Hyundai Veloster which is destined for Australia sometime later this year. It's got a suicde door but terrible looking wheels and a fat arse. Its got more than a little Megane III coupe in it, although the A pillar area is quite different. 
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Does anyone have any opinions or experiences with the new Hyundai Elantra? I'm considering one, because roughly 22k buys a loaded one, with a comforting 10 year warranty. It looks great outside and in, and it took first place in Motor Trend's recent sedan comparison. But I have no knowledge of Hyundai's current reputation for quality. Is a 2012 Elantra as good of a value as it seems? Thanks bros. 
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jiggaman0204 posted:Does anyone have any opinions or experiences with the new Hyundai Elantra? I'm considering one, because roughly 22k buys a loaded one, with a comforting 10 year warranty. It looks great outside and in, and it took first place in Motor Trend's recent sedan comparison. But I have no knowledge of Hyundai's current reputation for quality. I've had my eye on them a little as well. I rented a base model a business trip a few months back and my overall impression was very good. Smooth ride, tons of space, felt light, quality interior. Rear seat legroom felt tight to me. Trunk was huge. I can rarely get all the gear I travel with into the trunk, but it fit without issue. Definitely the best car I've rented, but I wind up with a bunch of lovely rentals (Last year has been HHR twice, Chevy A loving veo, Hyundai Accent, Dodge Charger, and some others I can't even remember). My daily driver is a 99 Corolla so any new car (besides the loving Chevy Aveo) feel pretty nice to me. A lot of people say that Hyundai now is basically how Toyota was in the 90s. I can't speak to that completely, but I imagine they try to make stuff pretty reliable if only so their generous warranty doesn't bankrupt them.
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In that rough class I think the Elantra is pretty drat good. I get rental cars a lot. My money, at $22K, would be on a Focus SE hatch, I think. Definitely worth a drive in that segment.
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The Focus is definitely more of a driver's car, but you'll spend a lot more to get the same level of equipment as the Elantra, and once you go through Ford's packaging scheme the price will probably end up on another planet.
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Aug 2, 2011 06:31
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NOTinuyasha posted:The Focus is definitely more of a driver's car, but you'll spend a lot more to get the same level of equipment as the Elantra, and once you go through Ford's packaging scheme the price will probably end up on another planet. This is a good point; I personally don't give a gently caress about things like heated rear seats and satnav but if you do care about FEATURES the Elantra is probably a better buy.
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Aug 2, 2011 12:32
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:This is a good point; I personally don't give a gently caress about things like heated rear seats and satnav but if you do care about FEATURES the Elantra is probably a better buy. That's the opposite of reality, the Focus price is jacked up specifically because they throw in a bunch of useless gadgets like Sync, then a $1000 sunroof that somehow isn't standard on a car that's already over twenty thousand dollars base, which is how you end up with a $25k Focus and you have to spend even more for the crappy lemon-status Ford My Touch navigation system. The difference between that and a comparable Elantra ends up something like five grand.
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Aug 2, 2011 13:15
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Whoa, whoa... Sync is awesome, not a "useless gadget."
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Aug 2, 2011 14:40
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I ended up going with an Elantra. I test drove a Cruze, which was decent but overpriced. Plus, you get far less gadgets and the back seat is tiny. The Focus is also much more expensive than the Elantra for a similar option sheet. Plus, I find its front end hideous.
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jiggaman0204 posted:I ended up going with an Elantra. I test drove a Cruze, which was decent but overpriced. Plus, you get far less gadgets and the back seat is tiny. How did the 3 drive compared to each other?
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PT6A posted:Whoa, whoa... Sync is awesome, not a "useless gadget." (Full disclosure: I work for Big Bill, but) Seconding this. Sync is amazing compared to a lot of the generic bluetooth integration in a lot of cars. I haven't used it with an Android phone, but if you've got an iPhone/Windows Phone, it really is a great experience. On top of that, when did we become so entitled that every car above $20k has to have a sunroof?
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MrSaturn posted:(Full disclosure: I work for Big Bill, but) Seconding this. Sync is amazing compared to a lot of the generic bluetooth integration in a lot of cars. I haven't used it with an Android phone, but if you've got an iPhone/Windows Phone, it really is a great experience. It works fine with an Android phone, as far as I know. I only tried to make calls, but it was able to do that without a hitch, with full contacts integration. I don't know if any of the text messaging features work. I also really love the iPod integration. It's very nice to be able to change songs without looking, or even taking your hands off the steering wheel.
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kimbo305 posted:How did the 3 drive compared to each other? The Cruze drove quietly, and absorbed potholes well. The Focus was the least quiet but seemed to be solidly planted. The Elantra's engine was as quiet as the Cruze when maintaining speed or accelerating moderately, but got a bit loud when I floored it. Since I do mostly highway driving I didn't care one bit about redline performance or the ability to handle twisting backroads. Thus I chose the Elantra, which offered the most highend options, for the least money, with the best interior and backseat room, and the longest warranty. I entered the test drive process not knowing which of the 3 to buy. My wife and I drove the Elantra last, and we both immediately knew it was the right choice. EDIT: the Focus's build quality was excellent, but I believe most consumers will get more use and value out of the Elantra's goodies than out of the Focus's ability to eat up tight turns. But maybe that's because I have kids, and I'm not in my 20s anymore. FistEnergy fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Aug 2, 2011 |
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If someone told 2005 me that the 3 best small cars in the US in 2011 would be made by Ford, GM and Hyundai I'd have laughed.
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sanchez posted:If someone told 2005 me that the 3 best small cars in the US in 2011 would be made by Ford, GM and Hyundai I'd have laughed. Me too. Especially Kia/Hyundai. The Elantra, Sonata, and Optima are all great looking cars that pack on the features and keep the price low. I would expect them to shrink the 10 year warranty soon; these cars are just too good.
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The only problem is they are not the best small cars unless your best factors include gotta have it factor.
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Elephanthead posted:The only problem is they are not the best small cars unless your best factors include gotta have it factor. Then what is?
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Why a 1991 Miata of course. And my GF bought a car last week and it also came down to a choice between the Focus and the Elantra and we went the other way (Focus), mostly because the Ford dealership was really eager to sell and we got them down below invoice. Still I was super impressed with the Elantra and even the new '12 Accents are nice, with a solid interior.
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Another glowing review for the Boss: http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/08/02/track-tested-2012-ford-mustang-boss-302/
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Out of curiosity, what do you think is the ideal form for making and giving a brief test drive review? I've always been curious about how you can evaluate something like that.
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MrSaturn posted:(Full disclosure: I work for Big Bill, but) Seconding this. Sync is amazing compared to a lot of the generic bluetooth integration in a lot of cars. I haven't used it with an Android phone, but if you've got an iPhone/Windows Phone, it really is a great experience. It's "Big Ballmer" now.  There's a lot of talk about Sync not being so great with WP7, (no USB, bluetooth doesn't work with voice commands). Fake Edit: Looks like most if not all of the Sync issues might be fixed with Mango.
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travisray2004 posted:Then what is? Probably the Civic, honestly. It's funny and ironic that it's now the most milquetoast new car in the segment, but it's also probably the best people-moving appliance in the segment. It has solid fuel economy, decent options, excellent reliability, and a cavernous interior. E: Full disclosure, I am kind of a Honda fanboy. On the other hand, from everything I've seen, I'd probably get the Focus hatch or the Cruze with the economy package and six-speed.
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the civic is probably the fourth best car in the segment, most of its competitors get better fuel economy, have cheaper options, are similarly reliable and have sizeable interiors like the civic does not do anything better than any other car except carry the honda name
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I daily drive an 07 Civic Si, and I couldn't agree with KYOON more. The Civic is by no means the best car in its class, especially since the 2012 cheapens up an already less than impressive interior.
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We had an '05 Civic and I miss it daily, even though we replaced it with a Saab convertible. 
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Faerunner posted:We had an '05 Civic and I miss it daily, even though we replaced it with a Saab convertible.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the civic is probably the fourth best car in the segment, most of its competitors get better fuel economy, have cheaper options, are similarly reliable and have sizeable interiors What competitors get better economy? Am I missing something: 
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very good now try not comparing fuel econ specials the elantra is BIC and everyone else gets the same highway fuel economy
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:very good now try not comparing fuel econ specials Okay  Sure the Cruze is a larger car but I didn't know what else to put for the forth one. What other competitors were you thinking of? Besides I think you may well find the economy of direct injection models drop off markedly after a few years of usage, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Toyota all had that problem with their DI petrol models and the technology hasn't really changed. Only time will tell. dissss fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Aug 4, 2011 |
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dissss posted:Okay What website is this?
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fueleconomy.gov
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dissss posted:Okay perhaps all better was a bit overstating it, more like "not a class leader" would be more accurate; my larger point is that the Civic does not do anything particularly well. it's a fine car, it's just about fourth best in the segment. i don't think that's a controversial opinion at all.
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The manual Cruze Eco also gets the same 33 combined. It's probably safe to say that fuel economy is pretty much the same across all these cars, but since the Civic is down one gear on both the MT and AT (other than the Focus which is still on a 5 MT) the performance probably suffers a bit.
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The car review wobble. Maybe the Civic really is the 4th best, but it's probably still pretty good.
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Pretty much any small car you can lay 18K on at this point is pretty good and this derail is kind of silly so my apologies for that one. I drove a new Passat the other day. It was very nice in terms of ride and drive for a midsize sedan, but the 2.5 is pretty soft for a car of its size. I can't imagine it being particularly competitive against the Sonata, and they're going to build like 140,000 of them per year in TN soooooo... not so good.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:perhaps all better was a bit overstating it, more like "not a class leader" would be more accurate; my larger point is that the Civic does not do anything particularly well. it's a fine car, it's just about fourth best in the segment. i don't think that's a controversial opinion at all. As someone who just spent 6 months agonizing over a new economy car purchase, I can attest to the Civic being extremely average in appearance and performance. It's not 2004 anymore, Honda.
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InitialDave posted:There is something wrong with you. Unless your Saab is anything other than a manual-transmission Aero. Then there's something else wrong with you. It's a 2000 9-3SE with the Aero package. And an automatic.
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It would be nice if Chrysler came out with these ads last week while this thread was still active. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOBRLZjOz2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFV6242g-8 
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I don't normally like car commercials but that second one is awesome and such a perfect marketing thing to do. If Dodge knows what's good for them, they should plaster that one all over TV.
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