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geeves posted:Third: the "weird Pycelle scene" is more foreshadowing to Tyrion ambushing him in ACoK when he's found in his bedchambers with the serving girl(s?). Right before his beard is shaved and he's thrown into the dungeon.
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Since there is no Jeyne Poole in the tv show, i wonder if Roz is the one who is going to marry Ramsay.
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Aug 3, 2011 22:00
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Toplowtech posted:Since there is no Jeyne Poole in the tv show, i wonder if Roz is the one who is going to marry Ramsay. She might have trouble passing for Arya I think. Passing her off as being 15-ish years younger would be a stretch.
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Aug 3, 2011 22:03
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 On cliffhangers: I think we need to separate two kinds of cliffhangers: the TILL NEXT TIME, BAT-FANS! cliffhangers (Brienne), which need to stop, and the inflection point cliffhangers, which are actually natural ending points for that part of the story. Jon's assassination is a clear catastrophe, exposing the tragic error of his approach to rule, as he massaged the egos of everyone except the group he ruled. Arya's blindness is the clear end of her initial training and the beginning of the next phase. Bran's final chapter is the end of his period as a warg and his first experience as a greenseer. He is now a different person, on a different journey, than he was before that moment. I'd actually find the story of her first assassination to be more narratively unsatisfying, as she hadn't reached the end of any arc, but just sort of stopped partway (see also: Jaime's chapter in ADWD). Tyrion's drowning doesn't fit in either of those categories, as it's narrative sleight of hand to more effectively hide the reveal of Connington's greyscale, as geeves already noted.
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Aug 3, 2011 22:05
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Habibi posted:I didn't get that vibe. Why is it foreshadowing that scene? I mean, everything leading up to his little 'act' could be foreshadowing, but that part at the end of the scene really suggests that he's just putting on a show of being this feeble old bastard, and for the life of me I can't figure out why they felt they should include that, since literally nothing happens (in the books, anyway) later on that could really (from what I can recall) build on him being a sprier, more active character than he appears. I don't think it's foreshadowing anything. I think it's a showrunner character touch, that makes it seem that, being in King's Landing for so long, he also is a maneuverer like all the other characters that aren't Starks, and figured out by playing old, feeble, and stupid, he could stay alive and in position for a long time. It gives his character a bit of character-development, depth and respect that he didn't really have otherwise.
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And then, of course, Tyrion shaves him and throws him into a dungeon and he does become a feeble and old man. A bit of dramatic irony for the viewers, as everyone else just sees that Pycelle is going on as he always did.
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Aug 3, 2011 22:31
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Brannock posted:And then, of course, Tyrion shaves him and throws him into a dungeon and he does become a feeble and old man. A bit of dramatic irony for the viewers, as everyone else just sees that Pycelle is going on as he always did. I don't know, because that scene really seemed to indicate that he's as big a player as Varys or Littlefinger but much cleverer about hiding it, but it'll be very underwhelming if he doesn't strictly speaking do anything of any 'on-screen' importance. And you could probably replace Qyburn easily, as not much is really known about Pycelle in the show, and you could easily have another character bind Jamie's wound.
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Aug 3, 2011 22:34
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Darko posted:I don't think it's foreshadowing anything. I think it's a showrunner character touch, that makes it seem that, being in King's Landing for so long, he also is a maneuverer like all the other characters that aren't Starks, and figured out by playing old, feeble, and stupid, he could stay alive and in position for a long time. It gives his character a bit of character-development, depth and respect that he didn't really have otherwise. Sounds like the TV show just made explicit what was implicit in the text.
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Aug 3, 2011 22:35
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I always just thought Pycelle was a blundering old guy who gets hosed over at every opportunity. However, the ending of ADWD changed that. Varys killed Kevan because he was fixing the realm. He probably killed Pycelle because he was doing the same thing.
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Aug 3, 2011 23:01
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GRRM says no way in hell will anyone finish the series if he dies. Who has control over it when he has his fatal heart attack in a couple years though? Can they be coerced to finish the drat thing? And if THEY say no, how many people have to die before someone will say yes, another author can wrap this poo poo up?
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Aug 3, 2011 23:01
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Maytag posted:GRRM says no way in hell will anyone finish the series if he dies. Who has control over it when he has his fatal heart attack in a couple years though? Can they be coerced to finish the drat thing? And if THEY say no, how many people have to die before someone will say yes, another author can wrap this poo poo up? HBO
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Aug 3, 2011 23:09
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Pycelle is clearly more than he appears to be, since if the Maesters are indeed up to something he would naturally be a part of it. If their plan really is to eradicate all magic and Varys is sabotaging that, it further calls into question his claims about hating magic.
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Aug 3, 2011 23:26
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Are we supposed to know what's up with Varys' children with the daggers at the end of the book? Are they supposed to be brainwashed or magicked up? Why are they stabbing a man with daggers?
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Aug 3, 2011 23:34
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RCarr posted:Are we supposed to know what's up with Varys' children with the daggers at the end of the book? Are they supposed to be brainwashed or magicked up? Why are they stabbing a man with daggers? They're his "little birds", orphans who are mute by birth or had their tongues removed who Varys has trained to hide in the walls of every place of importance in Kings Landing(and everywhere else of note including Winterfell), spy on the major players, and send ravens back to him. He provides food, clothing, shelter, and education to them, so they're loyal to him.
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Aug 3, 2011 23:39
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geeves posted:I don't think that will work, but considering the massive change to Qarth and Xaro, I wouldn't be surprised. What change? 
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drat, Varys is a lot more dangerous than I thought.
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RCarr posted:drat, Varys is a lot more dangerous than I thought. He's pretty much running the show (or trying to) at this point.
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FMguru posted:I thought it was pretty clear in the books that Pycelle's baffled old man routine was something of an act and that he's sharper than he lets on. He certainly has excellent political survival instincts - no matter which way the wind blows, he always ends up landing on his feet. All of what we see of him is from other characters POVs, and they've fully bought into his harmless old coot masquerade. Oddly, I never really got that impression from the books. Neither did I get the impression that he was a doddering old fool, but it seemed to be clear that what power and authority he had essentially stemmed directly from the Lannisters. He was a "player," but not a particularly apt one, and Tyrion had very little trouble picking him apart as necessary.
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Snuffman posted:What change? Xaro Xhoan Daxos is a member of one of the 3 merchant guilds and i don't remember him being described a Pureborn or a milk man (the qarthian with the pale skins), for all we know Qarth could be a multiracial city. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Aug 4, 2011 |
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Toplowtech posted:People are bitching because the people in Qarth are tall and white (with really pale skin) and the actor who plays Xaro Xhoan Daxos (a qarthian merchant) is black. So clearly lot of people are saying that HBO must have decided to make ALL the qarthian black instead of pale white! Isn't Qarth like one of the richest cities in the world? They're breaking down stereotypes, man
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There's a Game of Thrones graphic novel coming out. Looks bloody terrible, glossy like a superhero spandex special.
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NihilCredo posted:There's a Game of Thrones graphic novel coming out. Looks bloody terrible, glossy like a superhero spandex special. This looks retarded: 
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens with Victarion. He has a lava-rock arm, a horn that can control dragons, and badass Moqorro who I imagine as looking kind of like Darth Maul. And he's a pirate. What's not to like? Maybe he'll let Dany blow his horn. edit: ^^HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHA^^ I want Bran to mindrape Hodor and while exploring with Meera and Jojen trip and say "OH gently caress i mean HODOR" all while everybody is all 
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CornHolio posted:I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens with Victarion. He has a lava-rock arm, a horn that can control dragons, and badass Moqorro who I imagine as looking kind of like Darth Maul. And he's a pirate. What's not to like? For some reason I pictured Moqorro as Sideshow Raheem.  "I wouldn't" Also, my inside voice that narrates when I read kept calling him Morocco.
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Mr.Brinks posted:This looks retarded: Oh god, seriously don't look at any more of the samples. They just get worse. What the hell is that Other? I just...wow.
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Aug 4, 2011 00:44
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Oh jesus christ I loving hate anime.
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Maytag posted:Oh jesus christ I loving hate anime. That isn't remotely close to anime.
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Maytag posted:Oh jesus christ I loving hate anime. It's made by a company out of New Jersey. They're bad looking but they're not Rob Liefeld bad.
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Aug 4, 2011 00:58
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I picture Moqorro as one of the guys piloting the giant war elephants in The Return of the King for some reason
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The god drat direwolf looks like a retarded badger and the perspective is so bad. I wish I could un-see this.
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Truly horrifying. Looks like art from a brochure on eating fruits and veggies, featuring a kid named Bobby B.
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lapse posted:Isn't Qarth like one of the richest cities in the world? They're breaking down stereotypes, man
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CornHolio posted:I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens with Victarion. He has a lava-rock arm, a horn that can control dragons, and badass Moqorro who I imagine as looking kind of like Darth Maul. And he's a pirate. What's not to like? Victarion's POVs are really interesting. I wonder if he's going to wind up like Quentyn or becomes a dark horse in the war as he rebuilds his fleet. I can't remember if he was always as violent as he was in his last POV, or if it just indicates that he was changed by Moqorro.
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Webman posted:Victarion's POVs are really interesting. I wonder if he's going to wind up like Quentyn or becomes a dark horse in the war as he rebuilds his fleet. I can't remember if he was always as violent as he was in his last POV, or if it just indicates that he was changed by Moqorro. My guess is Victarion will wind up bringing Dany's new Dothraki army across the sea to Westeros.
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Glug_Glug posted:But that is the point of a cliffhanger, no? To bring you back for the next installment, to find out how the character makes it out alive. That's is why Jon isn't dead(or is, only to be Resurrected). If they die in that book, you're going to see a dead body or some sort of confirmation. Look at Eddard, Catelyn, and Robb. It would be stupid to leave them in peril in one book, and then in the next go, "oh yeah he dead lol". Having a hall of wildlings following Jon like he's the new Mance ready to gang rape Ramsay would have been a painfully awesome cliffhanger. No matter what happens next... it's going to be an anti-climax.
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hellbastard posted:Having a hall of wildlings following Jon like he's the new Mance ready to gang rape Ramsay would have been a painfully awesome cliffhanger. Pretty much agree. The prologue set things up so that Jon being stabbed doesn't have any real impact, because you just assume he's going to jump into something, be it Ghost, one of the corpses down in the ice cells, whatever. What is the general feeling about Mance, by the way? Did he really send the letter, not Ramsay? Is Stannis still alive, or did the Boltons ride out into the storm and slaughter them all? Also, did anyone else find it curious that Archmaester Marwyn didn't pop up at all?
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Le Woad posted:Cute. Dude you came in with a poo poo post and just straight up invented things. Also, who are these four resurrected main characters you're talking about? I will name them right after you quote the post where I wrote 'main characters'. edit: durr. Ratios and Tendency fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Aug 4, 2011 |
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Brannock posted:That isn't remotely close to anime. That art style is hideously influenced by anime.
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Maytag posted:That art style is hideous. Thought I'd help you out.
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hellbastard posted:No matter what happens next... it's going to be an anti-climax. quote:Also, did anyone else find it curious that Archmaester Marwyn didn't pop up at all? My question is when the iron bank envoy goes to Stanis, how does he get there? He's traveling with the iron island people who aren't prepared for the winter any more than Stanis's knights but the banker gets to deepwood fairly quickly and then the group makes it to Stanis's camp in the blizzard. Or did I mix up how long they were traveling?
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