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clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
yeah 2nd ed. should have the errata.

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rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



For Reign, are there any real differences between publications? My flgs has a softcover from 2007 (on Schroedinger's Cat if that helps) and I'm wondering if there's any reason not to pick up that edition for a more recent one.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


The softcover supposedly incorporated what little errata there was. Take whatever printing you like and can get, then get tons of fantastic supplements for free.

Lemon Curdistan posted:

Does WT essentials included all erratas etc., since I've noticed there's a Wild Talents second edition? If so I might just grab essentials + ORE KC.

Essentials is based on the 2nd edition. The bigger book actually does have something of a setting (the Godlike history carried forward), and some awesome talk from Kenneth Hite about considerations for making your own supers setting, which is referenced very slightly in Kerberos Club.

Nevertheless, your plan is a sound one.

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
I played Fiasco with Greg Stolze and some other people last night. I recorded it.

Greg's character was beaten up by a knight's templar and fell in love with a cat burglar which he roleplayed like Zapp Brannigan.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤

clockworkjoe posted:

I played Fiasco with Greg Stolze and some other people last night. I recorded it.

Greg's character was beaten up by a knight's templar and fell in love with a cat burglar which he roleplayed like Zapp Brannigan.

WHAT

Edit: Details man, provide details.

Squidster fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Aug 4, 2011

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


He's probably going to provide a recording.

Fenarisk
Oct 27, 2005

rantmo posted:

For Reign, are there any real differences between publications? My flgs has a softcover from 2007 (on Schroedinger's Cat if that helps) and I'm wondering if there's any reason not to pick up that edition for a more recent one.

Not to derail this but what FLGS in chicago? Only one I know that's pretty nice is the one all the way out in Mount Propsect (Games Plus).

Fenarisk
Oct 27, 2005

Doc Hawkins posted:

He's probably going to provide a recording.

In 6 months :rolleyes:

(Just kidding bro)

rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



Fenarisk posted:

Not to derail this but what FLGS in chicago? Only one I know that's pretty nice is the one all the way out in Mount Propsect (Games Plus).

Chicagoland Games: the Dice Dojo in Edgewater. It's a really great shop run by good people.

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?

Fenarisk posted:

In 6 months :rolleyes:

(Just kidding bro)

lol that's fair but since this is the first game of Fiasco I've recorded I'll put it up pretty soon after gencon. Now I go to the Ennies. Wish me luck.

CommaToes
Dec 15, 2006

Ecce Buffo
Good luck. Road trip! woo!

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
On a Stolze-related note, has anyone read his Vampire the Masquerade novels? I enjoyed Godwalker, his Unknown Armies transvestite murder jesus book, but I do sort of hate the World of Darkness.
Franchise tie-in fiction is generally apocalyptically bad, but I've basically liked everything else he's written so far. Does anyone know if they're worth the money?

pseudosavior
Apr 14, 2006

Don't you do cocaine at ME,
you son of a bitch!
If you're talking about A Hunger Like Fire and A Marriage of Virtue and Viciousness, I recommend them. If you liked his short stories in the NWoD books, the novels are on par with them, if not better. All the characters are interesting, but Solomon Birch stands out as a complete bastard and I absolutely love him as an antagonist.

That said, I'd try to avoid the second book, Blood In, Blood Out. By far the weakest of the trilogy, not written by Stolze, and just an utter mess of a book. If you really REALLY want the whole story, try to find a summary somewhere.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
Thanks Pseduo, I'll pick them up!

Incidentally, Stolze has just published a new short novel called Switchflipped. It's very much in the spirit of UA, with a brace of avatars fighting over mystical territory in an unnamed city. Despite a rocky start, it quickly careens into the gibbering insanity that marks most of his work. I'd describe it, but Stolze probably sums it up best:

Stolze blurb posted:

Before you buy it, I suppose you might want to know what it’s about and, while I don’t want to spoil any surprises, I can say it concerns a lost fiancee, the secret rulers of American automobiles, a woman who is also a building, kung fu, suburban necromancy, romantic infidelity and its fallout, and the icy secret truth behind Tarot card reading.

SEND MONEY

Sionak
Dec 20, 2005

Mind flay the gap.
I can't think of anything you really need to know from Blood in, Blood out to read the last Vampire the Requiem Stolze book. Most of the characters that are in both act completely differently in Blood in, Blood out anyways.

Where most RPG books assume a lot of familiarity with the source books, A Hunger Like Fire works pretty well as a novel in its own right, and I think it's the better of the two.

He also wrote a trilogy of Demon: the Fallen novels in the old World of Darkness, but they are more closely tied to the RPG and they get pretty weird after the first one.

TouretteDog
Oct 20, 2005

Was it something I said?

Sionak posted:

Where most RPG books assume a lot of familiarity with the source books, A Hunger Like Fire works pretty well as a novel in its own right, and I think it's the better of the two.

Yeah, I played Vampire exactly once in like 1996, and have read absolutely none of the other books in the series, but A Hunger Like Fire gave me no trouble at all, and was a pretty entertaining read.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
In anticipation of a game I'm going to be running, one of my players sent me an Avatar path he made, The Sage. Looking at it, I think he just wants to play a Bibliomancer without actually playing a Bibliomancer, but he's pretty excited and I want to try and help him. If anyone could take a look at his setup and tell me whether or not it's out of line, that would be rad. I'm a pretty new GM.

quote:

Attributes: The Sage is the embodiment of the search for knowledge, the desire to acquire information. The focus is not the use of that data, however, but more being a repository for it, though the Sage is certainly capable of acting on what she knows. At best, the Sage is a powerful force against the darkness of human ignorance; at worst, she jealously hoards his knowledge away, or uses it to hurt others, as in the old stereotype of the mad scientist.

Taboos: The Sage is devoted to knowledge, and learning more about the world. Any Sage who turns away from information weakens her connection to the archetype, though being cautious does not qualify; if an ancient book is under armed guard, the Sage will devise a plan for accessing it, and she is not obliged to undertake a frontal assault to steal it.

Symbols: The book, the owl, and an aged face are all parts of the Sage, the last as more of a side-effect: the old tend to be more knowledgeable than the young, and there’s no substitute for a lifetime of seeking wisdom. Glasses are also common, as reading has always been thought to weaken one’s eyes.

Masks: Athena (Greek), Odin (Norse), Benjamin Franklin (American).

Suspected Avatars: Most great scientists have been Sages, whether cataloguing information, as with Darwin, or uncovering it, as with Einstein. Additionally, academia lends itself extremely well to the pursuit of the path, though many run into problems with the “publish or perish” mentality, favoring the appearance of seeking knowledge over the actuality.


Channels:
1%-50%: At this level, the Sage can extract any piece of data from a living person, even something not consciously accessible. The Sage must have physical contact with the subject, and more hidden knowledge requires the Sage to roll her Avatar skill, at the GM’s discretion. Anything buried deep enough to require advanced psychiatric work ordinarily will also impose a rank-5 Self check, as the participant has been probed deeply.
51%-70%: At this level, the Sage can access any information in a library (including online collections, though this does not extend to the entire Internet; the Congressional archive THOMAS or legal/academic magazine compilation JSTOR would qualify) simply by being there. A roll under her Avatar skill will allow a Sage to provide the required data within five minutes.
71%-90%: By now, the Sage is so in tune with the search for knowledge that a roll under her Avatar skill will tell her where to find out what she wants, though that’s no guarantee that she’ll be able to get there, and she’ll have to figure out how to extract the information herself.
91+%: At this level, the Sage can answer any yes or no question - once per person per day.

At first glance, I'd say it seems a little, I dunno, on the nose? Here's all the criticism I've come up with yet.

1) What sort of information would a Sage ever turn away from? Are you talking like, 'things man was not meant to know?' Because there's honestly not a whole heck of a lot of that in the universe.
2) Would you say this path is different enough from the Bibliophile to merit the distinction?
3) Your second tier of power seem a bit weak. Being able to save yourself a few hours in the library seems a bit... I dunno, lame?
4) Your third tier is pretty justifiable, but 'find what she wants' is very nebulous. Could this skill only be used to find information, or could you also use it to find an object you needed? On the forth tier, I like the concept, but what happens when someone asks you a paradox or some question to which no one has ever known the answer?


The first tier also seems overpowered to me, but looking at the other Avatar paths, I guess it's more or less in line, right?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
The sage sounds a little old fashioned to me and that's a good thing because it can mean two things: 1. The archetype is actually a variation of some other path like "The researcher" or "The scientist." He's got a tough future ahead because as he grows in power he'll be threatening the established order. The other possibility is that the Sage is actually ascended right now, that makes him one of the few remaining defenders against an upstart who wants to ascend as "The Scientist."

If any of his powers end up being too powerful, feel free to give him a penalty for being outside of the mainstream of consciousness. The only sages I can really think of are the Tech Gurus who write those humongous books about Perl and SQL.

Ulta
Oct 3, 2006

Snail on my head ready to go.
Hey Dinosaurs... in SPAAACE! is now a kickstarter. I'm a backer, why aren't you? I totally getting a origami velociraptor.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gregstolze/dinosaursin-spaaace

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
Super minor, but I just noticed that Godwalker on Amazon retails for $3.33. Beautiful.

^^^
The art in that video is amazing. Yeah... I'm probably going to have to chip in on that.

homerlaw
Sep 21, 2008

Plants are the best ergo Sylvari=Best

Ulta posted:

Hey Dinosaurs... in SPAAACE! is now a kickstarter. I'm a backer, why aren't you? I totally getting a origami velociraptor.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gregstolze/dinosaursin-spaaace

I just dropped $15 on it, I'm getting a patch!

rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



I'm getting the book and the origamiraptor. That's gonna be awesome.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Picked up stratosphere. All I need now is Post Modern Magick and Break Today and I'll be out of UA books to get.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Do you actually have a physical copy of Jailbreak? If so, I hate you.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Oh, no. I generally don't get adventure modules for the games I play so I wasn't try to get those.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
I was thinking about Unknown Armies last night and I realized that it's totally reasonable that a Bibliomancer might be illiterate. It's not about the words, it's about the BOOKS!

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

It would be a weird person that couldn't read but thought books where the premier power of the universe. Exactly the kind of weird that should be in UA.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

TheTatteredKing posted:

It would be a weird person that couldn't read but thought books where the premier power of the universe.

Not really - their very inaccessibility is what makes them sacred artefacts of power.

So yeah, prime UA material.

Whybird
Aug 2, 2009

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Nap Ghost
The 1%-50% power is pretty darn good. The ability to secretly draw information out of other people just by touching them? So all you need to do is shake hands with the head of security at a building you're trying to infiltrate and you know how to shut down all the security systems. I'd swap it with the 50-70% power -- that way, you're also staying with the UA trend where the first avatar power you get is generally something that can be written off as not immediately supernatural.

I think the taboo as written is a good way to push plot hooks at the player, but it doesn't work as well at alienating the character from the normal world as many other taboos -- take the Masterless Man taboo, where you're never allowed to settle down in one place, or the Savage, where you're not allowed to use modern technology. It's also sort of generic: you can read it as "never turn down the ability to be a better sage" rather than something which restricts his behaviour. Maybe "never leave a mystery unanswered" -- the sage who shrugs his shoulders and walks away from a situation rather than investigating further is weakening his connection to the archetype.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
The "Wizard" was apparently an archetype at some point but had been toppled, probably by "wise old man" or "sage", or maybe the Mystic Hermaphrodite.

The powers given for the sage sound more like "librarian." Would Yoda have the power to access any library?

To really come up with a good "Sage" try to think about what powers Yoda and a neckbearded Unix guru might have in common.

Scraggly, long or white hairstyles are all symbols of the sage. They are often hermits. They are sought out and respected for their knowledge.

One thing that Sages must have is rare knowledge. They don't necessarily have to be the best in the world, but they'd better be at least as good as the best in the area. This sets up an idea for a taboo. A sage's powers don't work when they're not at the top of the pyramid in their specialty. There's room for more than one at the top, several sages with comparable knowledge in their fields can channel the sage with no difficulty. The taboo comes in when the sage is obviously outclassed. The sysadmin at your company might be channeling the sage when he knows more about networking than anyone around, but if a specialist is hired on for some optimization, the sysadmin might start having trouble using his powers.

I'm thinking a 1-50 power for a sage might be that he can give cryptic or confusing advice to solve a problem in his area of expertise. If you consult the aforementioned sysadmin and he tells you to unplug both ends of your ethernet cable, switch them around and plug them in the other way, it will solve the problem. An old experienced surgeon might recommend an unusual surgery to a doctor who comes asking for advice about a difficult case.

The limits to this power is it's a one time thing, you can't solve all networking problems by flipping cables, the weird surgery might not work on the next similar patient. This power is limited to the sages area of expertise.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

The "wise old sage" archetype also never seems to dispense information freely. He is usually sought out by the hero who may or may not have to prove himself to the sage.
If the knowledge is given to lightly it is no longer rare.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
He may not even need to know anything at all himself. Think of a reference librarian.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
Or a shaman who consults the spirits. It seems to me that the specific type of knowledge isn't important but rather the flow of knowledge from one person to another.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



TheTatteredKing posted:

The "wise old sage" archetype also never seems to dispense information freely. He is usually sought out by the hero who may or may not have to prove himself to the sage.
If the knowledge is given to lightly it is no longer rare.
Well, without actually doing any research (which actually seems like it might help for things which are supposed to be broad, deeply-rooted archetypes), I think they should be able to give information for "free", not counting the effort of tracking them down in the first place. Except it's going to be cryptic and unlikely to be helpful or comprehensible if you needed to search him out for help in the first place.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Pope Guilty posted:

He may not even need to know anything at all himself. Think of a reference librarian.

Yes, but a true sage doesn't go fetch the book and hand it to you. He'll lead you through a dark cellar holding a dim candle. He'll find the gigantic tome you're looking for and lay it out on the reading table where he opens it coincidentally to the line of prophecy that is relevant. He'll then clear his throat and read to you.

If you go back to that library and retrace your steps with the lights turned on you'll find that you had made an absurdly circuitous path through the tax law reference books, the tome of knowledge was a misfiled Scandinavian-English dictionary. The line of prophecy isn't anywhere in the book and when you think back to the night before you remember that the light was so dim that you couldn't actually make out any of the print on the book.

Squidster
Oct 7, 2008

✋😢Life's just better with Ominous Gloves🤗🧤
I like the idea of an illiterate Bibliomancer - it seems like the right kind of UA weird. A truly impoverished character crawling from the slums of Detroit ( lowest literacy rate in America! ) might associate book-ownership with eccentric wealth. Feral children, immigrant refugees... I'd say they'd make a better NPC than PC, though.

One interesting protoexample could be Sequoyah, an illiterate Native American who singlehandedly developed a written language for Cherokee. He didn't speak a word of English, didn't consult with any linguists, but replicated the ancient development of language from pictographs to syllabary in little more than a decade.

- Language badass

Xand_Man posted:

Do you actually have a physical copy of Jailbreak? If so, I hate you.
Dear Sir,

You are cordially invited to JealousyTown, population: you.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Squuuuuiiiiiiiidster!!!

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Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

You guys are making me realize that I don't know where my copy of One-Shots is. I really, really hope it didn't get lost when I moved. :(

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide
Tonight is the finale of the UA game that me and some internet friends have been in for the past couple of months. I think I'm gonna have to crosspost it in this thread and in the Best Experiences thread because it literally is the best gaming experience I've ever had.

Greg Stolze you are the man.

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Test Pattern
Dec 20, 2007

Keep scrolling, clod!
Taboo: The Sage can't do anything with the knowledge, not directly. An even rougher taboo would be not knowing the answer to a question you're asked (that's celtic myth poo poo right there).

And it should definitely, like Warriors and Pilgrims and Kings, be limited to a domain. Only THE SAGE up in the Strat is the sage of everything, all the avatars are The Sage of Something.

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