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Here are some good pics: http://www.jdpower.com/autos/car-photos/Chevrolet/Spark/2012/ I'm a sucker for "off-beat" instrument clusters (remember upthread when I said that I'm a bit of a Honda fanboy), but this one looks like some aftermarket bit from a catalog; and the lack of a hood makes me think that the digital side will wash out in sunlight. Otherwise, though, it looks like a pretty decent interior for such a cheap car. The little body color flourishes lighten it up on the green car in the JDPower pics.
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I dunno, it's kind of ugly. How is it supposed to be better than the Corsa that GM already has? Here's the Sonic's cluster, if anyone is still looking for it: 
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Aug 9, 2011 23:06
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Yeah I really can't tolerate that poo poo and this is a guy here who LIKES Honda's dipshit two tier dash 
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eames posted:New video of a barely disguised 991 around Stuttgart, the best one I’ve seen so far. The wheels seem HUGE on that car.
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mobby_6kl posted:I dunno, it's kind of ugly. How is it supposed to be better than the Corsa that GM already has? looks like something you'd find on a motorbike.
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Aug 10, 2011 00:02
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Throatwarbler posted:They're moving production of the Sonic back to the US from Korea so it will cost them $60/hr labor to build. Since it's a GM subcompact I'm sure that all the money will go into superior vehicle content for higher transaction prices and profit, they definitely won't be just cutting the cost difference out of the interior and end up selling the car for a loss anyway to make up CAFE numbers. I read an NYT article about how it's built in a brand new plant which requires half the workforce, on top of that everyone employed is at $14/hour as per a new contract with the UAW. That's not far off with the average Mexican auto worker wage ($8-10). The Cruze starts at $17k and GM managed not to screw up the interior, so I'm sure the $14k Sonic won't be that bad. The Aveo had a crappy interior but it was also a much cheaper car.
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mobby_6kl posted:I dunno, it's kind of ugly. How is it supposed to be better than the Corsa that GM already has? It isn't meant to be. Just like the Cruze isn't better than an Astra
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dissss posted:It isn't meant to be. Then what in the world is it?
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Boiled Water posted:Then what in the world is it? A different car aimed at a different set of markets.
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PeterWeller posted:Here are some good pics: It looks like a ten-year-old Aiwa car stereo headunit.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Yeah I really can't tolerate that poo poo and this is a guy here who LIKES Honda's dipshit two tier dash Yeah, I like the dash in the Civic, and I love the instruments in the CR-Z, but the Spark's cluster looks cheap and awful.
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Linedance posted:looks like something you'd find on a motorbike. Yup. 
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Pretty sure that is what GM was going for when they designed the Sparks interior. If I wasn't such a big guy I would be looking at the turbo hatchback.
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Left Ventricle posted:GM Futurliner runs quarter mile like a boss hey why does this post belong in this thread
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:hey why does this post belong in this thread  FUTUREliner.
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I was going to say that I had no problem with the Spark gauge cluster, and then I realized I'd googled the Sonic gauge cluster instead. It's the same basic idea, but somehow looks less cheap, and it has the tach front and center with an LED readout of the speed rather than the other way around.
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pickuptrucks.com has put up a pretty comprehensive test of the HD trucks from the Detroit 3. http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2011/08/2011-heavy-duty-hurt-locker-introduction.html
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Looks like Chevy pretty much confirmed the 2 liter diesel with like 260lbft of torque for the Cruze; supposedly it'll get 50mpg on the highway, as well. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/17/chevrolet-targeting-50-mpg-with-diesel-powered-cruze/
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Looks like Chevy pretty much confirmed the 2 liter diesel with like 260lbft of torque for the Cruze; supposedly it'll get 50mpg on the highway, as well. Yeah its probably a good choice for lots of highway mileage, but if you do more urban its actually thirstier than the ITI petrol. Will be interesting to see if they do the diesel with a manual - its auto only in Oceania and its really not a good match to the engine.
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Not really a new car, but not threadworthy either. If DIY Autotune gets to 4500 likes we get 25% off coupons! Already at 2400ish https://www.facebook.com/pages/DIYAutoTunecom/57837395932
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Looks like Chevy pretty much confirmed the 2 liter diesel with like 260lbft of torque for the Cruze; supposedly it'll get 50mpg on the highway, as well. Why bother with so much torque? The car isn't terribly heavy. With specs like that it will need a beefier trans and driveline than with 180-200lb ft.
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Are you saying you think a car shouldn't be so powerful? 
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angryhampster posted:Why bother with so much torque? The car isn't terribly heavy. With specs like that it will need a beefier trans and driveline than with 180-200lb ft. Because thats how much torque diesels make - Its only a little more than an equivalent VW or Ford model. It won't be quick though, in most cases the petrol turbo will do better.
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Lower rpms turning lower gear ratios (since the torque can be multiplied less) means less fuel consumed, right?
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kimbo305 posted:Lower rpms turning lower gear ratios (since the torque can be multiplied less) means less fuel consumed, right? Bingo.
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dissss posted:Because thats how much torque diesels make - Its only a little more than an equivalent VW or Ford model. The Cruze LTZ isn't quick either. It's not dangerously slow, but it's slow enough that you'd rather have the stick from the Eco just for the extra control and confidence.
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kimbo305 posted:Lower rpms turning lower gear ratios (since the torque can be multiplied less) means less fuel consumed, right? Ahhh fair enough. Lowclock...I have nothing against a car making good power. I was just trying to understand the point of it when it's a car specifically made for economy.
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angryhampster posted:Lowclock...I have nothing against a car making good power. I was just trying to understand the point of it when it's a car specifically made for economy. They've definitely chosen to position themselves as a more powerful diesel option. Fuel economy is worst in the class, actually worse than the Mondeo from the class above. Edit: it is of course the slushbox that kills it - GM really needs a DSG to compete dissss fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Aug 18, 2011 |
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It'll be interesting to see how many they sell, diesel is the same price as premium gas, if you can save money on fuel and get better city mpg it wont be compelling. I see a few Jetta tdi's around though so there must be some appeal. They are vastly outnumbered by the prius of course.
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The TDI mix on the Jetta is like 40% or some poo poo these days, same with the Golf. There's definitely a market out there.
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dissss posted:They've definitely chosen to position themselves as a more powerful diesel option. Fuel economy is worst in the class, actually worse than the Mondeo from the class above. Since the only passenger diesels over here are from VW, GM has a good opportunity to market the diesel Cruze as a performance trim and the 2.0L TD definitely seems up to the task. Gas isn't cheap anymore but true economy cars still don't sell in big numbers, so a big diesel engine that gets only marginally better fuel economy is a good balance between "premium small car" and "why you'd want a small car in the first place".
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That would be idiotic, why would the more eocnomical engine option get the performance designation? If I wanted my performance engine to rev to 5000RPM, I'd get something with an early SBC. VW diesel owners doon't pay the premium over the gasoline fuelled counterpart because someone makes a chip to make it faster.
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I hate the new 911  http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Porsche-911-2011-the-leaked-images-of-the-991/
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Is it actually any different from the old one?
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The tail-lights are thinner.
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Boiled Water posted:Is it actually any different from the old one? They probably did the old "slightly change every body panel just enough to drive future collectors mother loving insane" trick
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Boiled Water posted:Is it actually any different from the old one? The car itself and the wheelbase are both noticeably longer.
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Q_res posted:The car itself and the wheelbase are both noticeably longer. They own a copy machine apparently, like Audi has.
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