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Kainser posted:Shireen Baratheon is a secret Targ. Baratheons in general are secret Targs.
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Aug 12, 2011 21:43
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Way back when I read CoK in highschool, I interpreted Dany's vision of Rhaegar calling Aegon The Prince That Was Promised as meaning that Aegon really was the PTWP and that the reason why things were so endlessly lovely was that the prophesied hero had his head smashed against a wall as a baby. I kinda wish my idea had turned out to be true.
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Aug 12, 2011 21:52
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Hollis posted:I am also pretty sure that John is Azor Ahai ; the dragons out of stone can be metaphorical and most certainly is. BTW Dragons out of Stone could refer to Greyscale. Jon will gently caress Shireen and make baby Targs (dragons) out of stone (Shireen's greyscaled womb)
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Aug 12, 2011 22:30
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Are you know at the end of it all knock up Dany as her womb is described as barren stonelike and it'd make sense.
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Aug 12, 2011 22:36
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They may have covered this in the book, but who exactly defends the Faith during their trials by combat? Can they choose a champion, or do they have to choose someone from the Faith? I wonder if Kevan Lannister would be chosen to face Robert Strong? Edit: whoops meant Lancel. KillRoy fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Aug 13, 2011 |
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Aug 12, 2011 23:58
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Going to laugh my rear end off if they for some reason can choose Jaime.
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Aug 13, 2011 00:08
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KillRoy posted:They may have covered this in the book, but who exactly defends the Faith during their trials by combat? Can they choose a champion, or do they have to choose someone from the Faith? I wonder if Kevan Lannister would be chosen to face Robert Strong?  If you mean Lancel: He's been described as basically a withered shell of the man he used to be. I don't think he'd be chosen. A fairly common theory is that the Hound will be chosen to fight to determine Cersei's innocence or guilt, but I personally think that it'd be a bit to convenient and go against Sandor letting the Hound die. e; And that's assuming that the monk on the isle Brienne visited really was Sandor. e2; And we don't really know much about Trials by Faith, seeing as how they were reinstated very recently. Kainser fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Aug 13, 2011 |
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Aug 13, 2011 00:11
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I'm not really seeing the logistics of Sandor participating in any future events, really. Besides his character arc basically being over, how would anyone find him, or why would he leave the monastery?
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Aug 13, 2011 00:53
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Ambiguatron posted:I'm not really seeing the logistics of Sandor participating in any future events, really. Besides his character arc basically being over, how would anyone find him, or why would he leave the monastery? The Faith puts out the word that they need a champion for the Trials, Sandor hears about it and decides to put an end to his brother's evil.
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Aug 13, 2011 01:22
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Because this series is so starved on plots to tie up that what it needs is to go get old characters out of retirement even though they had a perfectly meaningful ending 
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Aug 13, 2011 01:29
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NihilCredo posted:Because this series is so starved on plots to tie up that what it needs is to go get old characters out of retirement even though they had a perfectly meaningful ending I'd be pretty happy if he stayed away, but saying that it's difficult for it to be him is pretty dumb.
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Aug 13, 2011 01:33
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Unoriginal Name posted:The Faith puts out the word that they need a champion for the Trials, Sandor hears about it and decides to put an end to his brother's evil. You mean decides to fight this mysterious Ser Robert Strong. Also: it seems pretty clear to me that Melisandre realized who the real AA was and did something to intervene in his impending assassination (which she saw in her fires of course).
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Aug 13, 2011 01:48
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I don't give a drat who fights Robert Strong, as long as there is a point where his helmet gets knocked off and we see what's under than helmet. GRRM haven't given any clues to what it is yet, has he?
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Aug 13, 2011 01:50
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Yes he's pretty much hit you over the head with it. It's Tywin's shrunken head
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Aug 13, 2011 01:52
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Incredible! I can't wait for his inevitable showdown with Tyrion on dragonback.
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Aug 13, 2011 02:10
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BTW, it's not specific to the latest book, but it has always cracked me up that Viserion has cream-colored scales with gold horns, wing bones and crest.
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Aug 13, 2011 02:13
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Maybe GRRM is keeping that in his back pocket for the inevitable dragon rapes Dany scene. She did awaken the dragon after all...
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Aug 13, 2011 02:15
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oogyboogs posted:Maybe GRRM is keeping that in his back pocket for the inevitable dragon rapes Dany scene. She did awaken the dragon after all... 
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Aug 13, 2011 02:17
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I know, I know- Drogon would prolly get first crack at that. I just hope she's ready. You know what they say about black dragons.
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Aug 13, 2011 02:21
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They called Balerion "The Black Dread" for a reason.
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Aug 13, 2011 02:25
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:Yes he's pretty much hit you over the head with it. It's Tywin's shrunken head I totally missed this. Where has this been hinted at/mentioned in the books?
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Aug 13, 2011 02:56
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It was a jape. Words are wind, nuncle. I actually feel like a huge moron for asking this, but what does "words are wind" mean? Like is it part of some bigger, more famous saying or does he just mean words are bullshit?
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Aug 13, 2011 03:07
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oogyboogs posted:It was a jape. Words are wind, nuncle. Yeah it just means words are no more than air so if you want to show me you're serious about something, stop shooting air out of your mouth and prove you can slam with the best
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Aug 13, 2011 03:23
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Ambiguatron posted:I'm not really seeing the logistics of Sandor participating in any future events, really. Besides his character arc basically being over, how would anyone find him, or why would he leave the monastery? Sandor joins the Knights Militant arm of the church.
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Aug 13, 2011 05:14
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Rootbeer Baron posted:Yeah it just means words are no more than air so if you want to show me you're serious about something, stop shooting air out of your mouth and prove you can slam with the best Its probably the single most overused phrase in the book. Words are wind GRRM, Finish your loving books.
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Aug 13, 2011 06:05
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"Words are wind" is just a more polite "your word is worth a mummer's fart".
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Aug 13, 2011 06:16
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Zeroisanumber posted:Sandor joins the Knights Militant arm of the church. Why would he do that, though? It's a big leap from an entire life of "I am no 'ser'" to that.
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Aug 13, 2011 06:18
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Ambiguatron posted:Why would he do that, though? It's a big leap from an entire life of "I am no 'ser'" to that. IIRC Sandor never became a Knight because he found them all to be corrupt generally lovely people not because he had a problem with knighthood in general. Being a knight of the church would give him a chance to join a group of non-lovely knights.
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Aug 13, 2011 07:01
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Sandor with a crippled leg versus the necromantic golem of his stronger brother. I thought the idea was that Sandor finally worked through his death wish.
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Aug 13, 2011 07:41
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Wasn't one of Bran's first dreams in GoT a golden armored man and a steel dog fighting an armored giant with no head? So my guess would be Jaime and Sandor both end up fighting Gregs.
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Aug 13, 2011 08:11
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2 cripples vs an unfeeling killing machine. Taking all bets!
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Aug 13, 2011 08:32
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Aurubin posted:2 cripples vs an unfeeling killing machine. Taking all bets! Edit: and form Mecha-shiva... Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Aug 13, 2011 |
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Aug 13, 2011 08:39
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Aurubin posted:2 cripples vs an unfeeling killing machine. Taking all bets! Jaime fights it first as Cersei's champion, knocks it's helmet off, but loses to the undead giant. With "Strong"'s identity made blatant, Sandor comes out of hiding to put down his brother once and for all.
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Aug 13, 2011 09:52
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Maarak posted:Jaime fights it first as Cersei's champion, knocks it's helmet off, but loses to the undead giant. With "Strong"'s identity made blatant, Sandor comes out of hiding to put down his brother once and for all. Isn't Strong fighting for Cersei in the first place?
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Aug 13, 2011 10:44
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Curl_like_smoke posted:Wasn't one of Bran's first dreams in GoT a golden armored man and a steel dog fighting an armored giant with no head? So my guess would be Jaime and Sandor both end up fighting Gregs. From the book "There were shadows all around them[the Starks]. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood."
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Aug 13, 2011 13:19
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Oh wow, in retrospect that's pretty interesting. Though I can't help but think instead of Jaime its going to be either somebody from Dorne or maybe Aegon or something.
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Aug 13, 2011 14:49
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The Kingsguard have white armor in the books, however.
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Aug 13, 2011 14:56
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Aurubin posted:Sandor with a crippled leg versus the necromantic golem of his stronger brother. I thought the idea was that Sandor finally worked through his death wish. Cripple Sandor would still crush him. He easily fended off Gregor at his most enraged. Gregor is kind of a bitch when you think about it. Loras beat him in lancing, Oberon kicked his rear end with a spear.. so what if he's strong. He sucks at fighting.
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Aug 13, 2011 16:01
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Supreme Allah posted:Cripple Sandor would still crush him. He easily fended off Gregor at his most enraged. Gregor is kind of a bitch when you think about it. Loras beat him in lancing, Oberon kicked his rear end with a spear.. so what if he's strong. He sucks at fighting. Fending him off at his most enraged doesn't mean much. Gregor isn't the Hulk. It was Gregor getting angry that really made him lose against Oberyn. And now I'm pretty sure that he can't get angry anymore. e; I like how you think that Gregor, who is described as killing dozens in pretty much every battle he shows up in, is a bitch and sucks at fighting due to losing a joust against Loras (you might recall that Loras apparently decided that he had to 'cheat' to win) and for (not) being beaten by Oberyn who's seen as possibly the most dangerous man in Westeros. But I guess that doesn't mean much, seeing as how Darkstar apparently is the most dangerous man in Dorne somehow. e2: That's not to say that it won't happen, just that it'd take some extreme plot contrivance for the apparently Pacifistic Sandor being chosen to fight Robert Strong and then actually crushing him in the trial. But I said the same thing about Baby Aegon being alive so what do I know. Kainser fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Aug 13, 2011 |
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Aug 13, 2011 16:05
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Gregor (when alive, anyway) had the classic Superman problem. Against regular dudes, he just crushes them because he's so god drat big and he's wearing armor that no one else could even move in. There's just not contest. When he goes up against someone who understands his weaknesses, he's overcome because that's all he's got.
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