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The Mutato posted:The Kingsguard have white armor in the books, however. It's also mentioned that Jaime uses his Lannister armor for unofficial stuff (eg, confronting Ned in the first book).
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I always thought Sandor had blatant plot armour until he fights his brother. Hell, his new gravedigging career is predicate upon such things as his brother being dead. Also, how much of a chews-on-dead-babies mental does everyone think Rickon is these days?
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Aug 13, 2011 17:35
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It's gonna be fun to finally hear from Rickon again. But that reminds me: what the hell was up with ending Davos' storyline less than halfway through the book, then never so much as mentioning him again? Once again we have a storyline that only needed ONE more chapter to end at a good spot. Land him on Skagos and end with him getting ambushed by Rickon and Shaggydog or something. ANYTHING.
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Aug 13, 2011 19:01
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:It's gonna be fun to finally hear from Rickon again. But that reminds me: what the hell was up with ending Davos' storyline less than halfway through the book, then never so much as mentioning him again? Once again we have a storyline that only needed ONE more chapter to end at a good spot. Land him on Skagos and end with him getting ambushed by Rickon and Shaggydog or something. ANYTHING. Nope, GRRM only builds suspense by having ridiculous cliff hangers.
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Aug 13, 2011 19:52
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I like the way people in the book series use the word niggard only when there are no Summer Islanders around.
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Aug 13, 2011 19:57
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:It's gonna be fun to finally hear from Rickon again. But that reminds me: what the hell was up with ending Davos' storyline less than halfway through the book, then never so much as mentioning him again? Once again we have a storyline that only needed ONE more chapter to end at a good spot. Land him on Skagos and end with him getting ambushed by Rickon and Shaggydog or something. ANYTHING. Not really, any stopping point short of having Davos bring Rickon back to White Harbour would have felt at least as unsatisfactory.
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Aug 13, 2011 20:07
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I'm feeling pretty  here. I just finished Dance and I don't remember reading anything like what people are saying about Sandor on the last page. I thought the last time he was seen in the books was after Ayra leaves him to die?
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Aug 13, 2011 20:16
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Crackbone posted:I'm feeling pretty I personally believe that he is the monk, but that he has played his role in the story and won't come back to fight Robert Strong or whatever.
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Aug 13, 2011 20:18
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Kainser posted:There is a fairly common theory that Sandor survived and now is the large monk with a limp on the island Brienne visited. Yeah, we never found a body and the head monk said that "the hound died" but did not mention Sandor specifically or something like that. Sandor was probably my favorite character, I sort of hope he comes back at some point, though it would far too cliche for him to be the one that slays Zombie Gregor.
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Aug 13, 2011 20:47
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Yeah to add to Brinks, the monk makes a point of saying that the Hound died. Then he leads you to believe that he means that the Hound died spiritually and was reborn in their monastic order. Did anyone save an excerpt from that novel called SANDOR. It was in one of the older threads.
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Aug 13, 2011 21:12
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oogyboogs posted:I like the way people in the book series use the word niggard only when there are no Summer Islanders around. That word does not have the root you think. Also "armored like the sun" could apply to a member of House Martell. Oberyn didn't wear plate armor though...
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Aug 13, 2011 22:18
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While I lean more heavily towards the "armored like the sun" dude being, for whatever inconceivable reason, Jamie, it does leave the option open for a dornishman. Though the only warrior left alive with any real grudge against Clegane is Obara, and she's chasing Darkstar. An alternative theory IMO is that that dream wasn't limited to one time period. A great deal is made about the time traveling nature of greenseeing, perhaps that was a composite dream. Sandor fought Clegane at the tournament, Oberyn at Tyrion's trial, and now he's a headless golem. Taken like that, all the points of the dream have come to pass.
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Aug 13, 2011 22:49
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:It's gonna be fun to finally hear from Rickon again. But that reminds me: what the hell was up with ending Davos' storyline less than halfway through the book, then never so much as mentioning him again? Once again we have a storyline that only needed ONE more chapter to end at a good spot. Land him on Skagos and end with him getting ambushed by Rickon and Shaggydog or something. ANYTHING. A freak hurricane takes him to Mereen, where he is promptly roasted by the green dragon flying around free.
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Aug 13, 2011 22:55
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So Winds of Winter will take place after a 5 or so year jump right? Meaning Bran will be roughly the age Robb was at the start of AGoT and Rickon will be Bran's age at the same period. And also that either Jon Snow's resurrection will have occurred in the past or he'll have been dead for 5 years. So if it's the latter he probably isn't just waking up and going "where am I?".
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Aug 13, 2011 22:57
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oogyboogs posted:From the book I don't see why this needs to be interpreted as representing an event that may happen five books later in the plot. This quote specifically positions these characters against the Starks, suggesting the immediate circumstances of the first novel, not some point in the distant future when there are no living Starks in King's Landing. Jaime and the Hound were both imposing figures that brought harm to the Starks. Jaime tossed Bran and would attack Ned, the Hound terrorized Arya and Sansa. A headless giant with stone armor can be interpreted as a kingdom without a leader, or as a dead king, and the chaos and vulnerability that results of his death. It all deals with the events of the first novel.
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Aug 13, 2011 23:04
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:So Winds of Winter will take place after a 5 or so year jump right? The problem is that AFFC/ADWD took place over less than five years, so we end up having all the children's growth that was to take place over the 5YG (Dany's dragons, Sam's maestering, Bran's warging, Arya's ninja training, Jon's transformation of the Watch, etc.) compressed into what seemed like eighteen months or so - which doesn't bode well for the coherence of the concluding novels.
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Aug 13, 2011 23:16
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Aurubin posted:Though the only warrior left alive with any real grudge against Clegane is Obara, and she's chasing Darkstar. I've said it before, but the Sand Snakes are the characters I most want to see kicking rear end in WoW. Every single one of them has got "AWESOME" written all over.
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Aug 13, 2011 23:35
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Obara is just chasing Darkstar to get the kingsguard killed, and to recruit Darkstar to the cause. You want the most dangerous man in Dorne, if not all of Westeros, on your side in a fight.
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Aug 14, 2011 00:01
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FMguru posted:Eh? I thought AFFC/ADWD were supposed to cover what happened during the 5YG, and now we can get on with the second half of the story. The whole reason they were written was because GRRM tried jumping the timeline ahead by five years, and found out he couldn't - because he'd have to tell the story of what every single character had been up to over the last five years, and it would have to be told in-story because of the POV structure, and the result was so full of flashbacks and clumsy exposition that he said "you know what? it'd be easier just to write the story of what happened during the gap as a novel" which ended up taking two novels and ten years. It's far from perfect, but I'm glad he didn't jump forward five years after ASOS. Just imagine how retarded the flashbacks would have been for books 4 and 5. he would have jumped into flashback at cliffhangers, I'm sure. For example: quote:Jon and Sam watched in horror from the battlements of Winterfell as 50,000 Dothraki screamers, led by the three huge dragons and a pirate with a flaming red arm, advanced on the mighty fortress.
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Argali posted:It's far from perfect, but I'm glad he didn't jump forward five years after ASOS. Just imagine how retarded the flashbacks would have been for books 4 and 5. he would have jumped into flashback at cliffhangers, I'm sure. For example: I guess GRRM got halfway through writing that book, realized that it wasn't working at all, binned it, and started writing AFFC - which is why that book was so late, and why so little seemed to happen in it. The original plan was for it (and ADWD) to cover a time period which was so boring that it was going to be skipped over entirely. I didn't mind the "not much happened" issue with AFFC/ADWD. What I did mind was getting 1900 pages of not much happened, spread over ten years.
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Aug 14, 2011 00:19
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Yeah, it's probably for the better that he didn't do that 5-year skip, even though it will lead to silly stuff like (I assume) Sam forging his chain and Arya becoming a master assassin in a year and other timecompressed stuff.bigmcgaffney posted:Obara is just chasing Darkstar to get the kingsguard killed, and to recruit Darkstar to the cause. You want the most dangerous man in Dorne, if not all of Westeros, on your side in a fight. e; I might have been okay with Darkstar if GRRM had actually mentioned something that would realistically make him considered the most dangerous man in Dorne. But no, it's all 'I am of the night'. Kainser fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 00:19
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Yeah, seriously - gently caress Darkstar. I think there's even a point in the book where someone laughs at his name, which is how I felt the whole time he was on screen. We have absolutely nothing to go on to make him the 'most dangerous man' in Dorne or Westeros, other than the fact that the badass Dorne think he's badass. If there's one man I want in a fight next to me, that's Areo Hotah, Kingsguardslayer. Mr.Brinks fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 00:29
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Well he was related to Arthur Dayne, who was supposed to be one of the best knights, so maybe his reputation rubs off on the Dark Star?
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Aug 14, 2011 00:31
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Lester B. Pearson posted:Well he was related to Arthur Dayne, who was supposed to be one of the best knights, so maybe his reputation rubs off on the Dark Star? He actually has the stones to throw a tantrum about it in AFFC: "Why is it that all people talk about is my cousin? Just because he was worthy of wielding Dawn and wearing a Kingsguard cloak, was a first-rate tourney fighter, personally defeated the Smiling Knight, was a just man loved both by the smallfolk and Prince Rhaegar, and faced a honourable death performing his Kingsguard duty to the last, while all I've been doing is working on this totally edgy hairstyle. It's not FAIR!!!!  "
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Aug 14, 2011 01:07
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To be fair, it seems to be a common point of bitching for nobles living in the shadow of some great relative or other. He could very well be just as dangerous as Arthur Dayne but not really have done much because he lived in a peaceful time where the king was just whoring and loving and not noticing his kids were the offspring of his wife and her brother.
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Aug 14, 2011 02:44
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NihilCredo posted:Not really, any stopping point short of having Davos bring Rickon back to White Harbour would have felt at least as unsatisfactory. I would've been content with a single Skagos chapter, as long as it included the requisite cannibals astride shaggy goat-like unicorns. At this point I envision Skagos as being something like Fort Lauderdale during spring break, substituting cannibals and unicorns for the frat boys and scantily clad co-eds. Davos may have difficulty persuading Rickon to leave. We know from Bran's visions that Shaggydog is having the time of his life.
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Aug 14, 2011 02:57
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MeerkatHero posted:I would've been content with a single Skagos chapter, as long as it included the requisite cannibals astride shaggy goat-like unicorns. Well I think we have found the guy to finish the story if GRRM croaks.
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Aug 14, 2011 03:47
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Quentyn proposes to Dany and she laughs in his face. Why does she and Barristan both deny this happened later on? Seemed oddly specific to me.
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Aug 14, 2011 06:44
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Iggles posted:Quentyn proposes to Dany and she laughs in his face. Why does she and Barristan both deny this happened later on? Seemed oddly specific to me. Because Dany is stupid and probably at least a little insane, and Barristan is loyal to a fault.
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Aug 14, 2011 06:47
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Iggles posted:Quentyn proposes to Dany and she laughs in his face. Why does she and Barristan both deny this happened later on? Seemed oddly specific to me. Doesn't she laugh because he's a metaphorical frog turning into a prince, and that's more than slightly different than laughing at him for a ridiculous proposition?
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Aug 14, 2011 06:58
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"Fools and young girls will always choose fire" Daenerys 
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Caufman posted:Doesn't she laugh because he's a metaphorical frog turning into a prince, and that's more than slightly different than laughing at him for a ridiculous proposition? Pretty much. So the poor guys goes from people calling him a frog, to a princess laughing in his face, to getting burned to a crisp by rampaging dragons. Oh GRRM.
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Aug 14, 2011 12:35
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I thought that Quentyn was a nice contrast to Dany. They were both around the same age, but he was much more mature and serious minded then she was. They should have named his POV chapters "THE MAN-MAID" after Gerris called him that. That poo poo was too funny.
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Aug 14, 2011 15:55
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I'm not sure trying to steal dragons to prove your worth to the dragon queen is a sign of great maturity.
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He wasn't trying to prove his worth to Daenerys, he wanted to prove his worth to Dorne and his father. His plan was still kinda poo poo, but what can you do. He was desperate. e; I think that one of the reasons that I like Dorne so much is that the Martells don't use their sigil to describe themselves all the time. Sure, there are some mentions of suns and spears, but it always makes sense in context. Unlike the other houses who can't stop talking about wolves, lions, rivers and fishes, dragons, flowers and Krakens. Maybe it's not a coincidence that I also like the Baratheons who very rarely talk about stags. e2; And the Arryns I guess, but we've only seen one Arryn and he's 9 and half-mad. For all we know Jon Arryn might have loved pulling Falcon-metaphors out of his rear end all the time. Kainser fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 16:20
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Blind Melon posted:I'm not sure trying to steal dragons to prove your worth to the dragon queen is a sign of great maturity. I'll bet had Dany turned out to be ugly, Quentyn still would have done his best to win her to his cause for the sake of his people. Dany on the other hand only cares about gold teeth and strange dick. She's the Paris Hilton of Westeros.
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Aug 14, 2011 16:34
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So does no one give any serious consideration to that lord on the Sisters who told Davos Jon's mother was a fisherman's daughter? I mean, why would he lie? And it really made it stick out to me every time Stannis or someone said that Jon haggles like a fishwife. I really, really hope that GRRM pulled a 180 on the secret Targ thing there, if only out of bloody-mindedness.
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Aug 14, 2011 16:43
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well you see, jon is actually ghost warged in the dead body of brandon the builder, so his mother really died when he was a pup. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 14, 2011 17:39
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Doubt it. NYT did a piece on Ser Martin and the TV show a while ago, and the showrunners said that Martin made them answer a question about the parentage of one of the main characters of the book. ^ this was to mogadishu
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