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ZeeToo posted:You guys are all seriously touting the benefits of not shooting up giant robots with lasers.
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If he's asking for Hegira, then he's admitting that he can't win and asking to take his surviving warriors and withdraw. I say the ComGuard should take the deal. The ComGuard's proven that both their front line and second line forces all fight like tanks... But, you may still salvage some reputation out of this: that the ComGuard won't play by any RoE rules (except maybe Steiner Rules, because Steiner Rules rock), but still respect other honor rules (such as hegira, safecon, etcetera.) Plus, the Clanners you downed but didn't smear over the countryside would be Bondsmen. So ComStar can start interrogating them.
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Aug 14, 2011 04:55
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Oh poor Mr Ed. Someone get the shotgun.
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Aug 14, 2011 05:21
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Alright I'm officially saying that we should take this deal and my Flashman's turn isn't going to involve shooting.
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Aug 14, 2011 05:29
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W.T. Fits posted:The thing that's bugging me about this offer is he's already declared that we're to be treated as tanks. Dude there are varying levels of not adhering to zell, and "using focused fire and other sound tactics" is not at all in the same league with "offering a truce and then reneging on your word". 
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Aug 14, 2011 05:33
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Also if they do that then after we win anyway we can use the HPG station to send a recording of a goddamn star colonel requesting hegira and then backstabbing us to everywhere and make a mockery of the entire clan.
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Aug 14, 2011 05:36
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Boner Slam posted:I think the issue here is that the clans have ample amount of great pilots and mechs, while the inner sphere has a lot of soldiers and maybe tanks (and more people in general) but not nearly as many mechs percentage wise. This is very true - the only wrinkle is the amount of 'a lot'. By conservative estimates, the IS outnumbers the Clans by twenty to one. By the Field Manual era (which is probably the most reliable measure), the Clans are roughly fielding around 2000 trinaries of combat units. That's combined mechs, elementals, armor and aerospace - around 30,000 units total, including their PGCs. The Combine alone weighs in with 247 regiment-equivalents - around 26,000 combat units, and their total does NOT count planetary militias or mercenary forces. There are very literally more mercenary battlemechs in the IS than there are Clan combat units in both the invasion force AND the homeworlds. The Clans have a higher percentage of mechs, but they're hideously outnumbered from the get-go. The best they can get is local superiority and even that unreliably. quote:2. The Clans have logistic support and intelligence. It is rarely mentioned in the books but for every lovely warrior they have they will have scores of techs and even clanwatch intelligence people, hell they even do research. Ah, but it is mentioned. Clan Watch operations are detailed in the Guide to Covert Ops and the Intelligence Operations Handbook. The articles in both of which can be summarized as 'these guys are a complete joke'. Intel Ops repeatedly comments that the Clans didn't even bother using their intelligence assets until after they had been repeatedly been schooled by the various IS agencies. Direct quote: "Clan intelligence did not exist prior to the invasion of the Inner Sphere in 3049." Covert Ops describes it as "Underfunded, ill-equipped, ill-maintained, and ill-trained for the duties of intelligence gathering and analysis". As for their logistics - even by the 3080s, there are still invading Clans who are shipping in all their war material from the Homeworlds. And these are the same warriors who assaulted Tukayyid without bothering to bring reloads for their ballistic weapons.
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Aug 14, 2011 05:48
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Star Colonel Grier Seidman, I hereby claim you as my bondsman. 
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Aug 14, 2011 05:59
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Gothsheep posted:Star Colonel Grier Seidman, I hereby claim you as my bondsman. You can't claim the star colonel, you can however claim Mr. Ed (the clanner who tripped and triple critted himself taking out his engine and gyro in one swoop) Please do not go firing on the clanners, let them leave in defeat.
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Aug 14, 2011 06:02
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Hegira's well that ends well. I presume accepting the offer counts as Defeating the Clanners for the purposes of the scenario and that you can claim the fallen as your own. However that works. Here's to not shooting, charging, kicking, punching, or Mario'ing any of the Clanners your next turn. If they renege, you've still got a good chance by these odds to make them pay--and make sure that word of their treachery reaches everybody and everybody. Ball's in your court, GoonLevelII. (That really doesn't have quite the same ring as "Goonlance." Or even, heavens forbid, "Goonstar.")
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Aug 14, 2011 06:44
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Gothsheep posted:Star Colonel Grier Seidman, I hereby claim you as my bondsman. Don't do this. Tempest_56 posted:Ah, but it is mentioned. Clan Watch operations are detailed in the Guide to Covert Ops and the Intelligence Operations Handbook. The articles in both of which can be summarized as 'these guys are a complete joke'. Intel Ops repeatedly comments that the Clans didn't even bother using their intelligence assets until after they had been repeatedly been schooled by the various IS agencies. Direct quote: "Clan intelligence did not exist prior to the invasion of the Inner Sphere in 3049." Covert Ops describes it as "Underfunded, ill-equipped, ill-maintained, and ill-trained for the duties of intelligence gathering and analysis". The Clan Watch is emphatically worse than SAFE or Mimir. Mimir belongs to a state that barely exists, and SAFE is basically the Keystone Cops of IS intel services. That's how terrible the Watch was.
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Aug 14, 2011 06:45
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To be fare to SAFE, they did kill Stefan Amaris's grandson, about five hundred years too late for it to matter. VVV "Those who excel earn a name. Those who achieve expectations get killed in glorious battle. Those who can't achieve expectations become second line. Those who simply can't join the Watch." PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 07:13
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Fraction Jackson posted:The Clan Watch is emphatically worse than SAFE or Mimir. Mimir belongs to a state that barely exists, and SAFE is basically the Keystone Cops of IS intel services. That's how terrible the Watch was. SAFE are a professional, competent intelligence service that is competing in a pool of ridiculously good ones. They're by far the worst Great House intel organization, but that's because they're competing with some of the absolute best operators in those fields. Clan Watch doesn't even rate. As a rough analogy, if SAFE's operations record was compared to say, the CIA, or MI5, it'd probably look about as good, if not better, than either organization. Clan Watch would cause the CIA in its worst days when it was trying to assassinate Castro with exploding cigars burst out in laughter and go "no matter how low we sink, we'll at least be better than them".
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Aug 14, 2011 07:28
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I assume Clan intelligence basically involves stomping around town in a 50 ton mech with a fake mustache asking about government secrets?
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Aug 14, 2011 07:34
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GruntyThrst posted:I assume Clan intelligence basically involves stomping around town in a 50 ton mech with a fake mustache asking about government secrets? The Watch is more... counter-intelligence. They're around to try to keep the
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Aug 14, 2011 07:36
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GruntyThrst posted:a 50 ton mech with a fake mustache You might not realize exactly what you've done this day, but know that you have done well. Thank you.
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Aug 14, 2011 07:50
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Clan Intelligence is basically telling the populace "We're totally not the bad guys, tell us your secrets! Also if you lie to us we'll murder the poo poo out of you." [EDIT] Actually, remember that episode of The Simpsons where Homer is a spy for the IRS? He's running laps around their best agent.
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Aug 14, 2011 07:57
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The way Clan Intelligence works is, this guy marches up to you and declares a Trial of Posession for all your secrets. Then he whales on you until you decide he has won the trial and tell him all your secrets.
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Aug 14, 2011 09:25
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Sam Hall posted:The way Clan Intelligence works is, this guy See, in the Inner Sphere they tie you to a chair first. Waterboarding is LosTech.
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Aug 14, 2011 09:53
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Sam Hall posted:The way Clan Intelligence works is, this guy He always seemed more suited to a pie-eating contest ToP, honestly.
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Aug 14, 2011 10:44
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Don't accept the offer. This is war and you have this fight won anyway. Play pretend-honorable with some other faction you wannabe clanners. This is comstar where we ruthlessly assassinate researchers, plot to take over the world and we don't have any honor anyway! Besides it'll be way more interesting if every faction doesn't react the same way.
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Aug 14, 2011 12:06
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Ruthless doesn't equate to strategically retarded.
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Aug 14, 2011 12:15
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We want the HPG. They're giving us the HPG without wasting Blake blessed Mechs. What's not to love about that?
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Aug 14, 2011 12:43
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Clantech salvage makes everyone but the Clans happy. So please don't do something silly like accepting their offer and claiming the ponymech and hunchie as salvage.
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Gentlemen! I have stolen your jokes and added them to pictures. Along with some of my horrible, horrible handwriting. I hope you do not mind. When asked why she would take a suicidally under-armored 50-tonner on a daring raid straight into the heart of enemy territory only to retreat empty-handed after harassing three politicians, a used car salesman, two ice cream shoppes, a former pop star turned C-list daytime celebrity talk show host, and an overdressed assault 'Mech, Star Colonel Bethany Cochraine had but a simple reply. "Indeed! I failed. But just imagine the honor I would have won had I not decided to gently caress right off. Also, gently caress AtlasCop. No, seriously, gently caress that guy." Despite my dislike of the Clans, I keep drawing them. But no matter how much I get wrong or outright ignore about Battletech canon, know that I will never, ever forget to draw a sausage vest when it is relevant. For the curious, the "let's see the errors and sloppiness in all their glory" version is here.
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Aug 14, 2011 18:05
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Brilliant.
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Aug 14, 2011 18:09
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Gentlemen! I have stolen your jokes and added them to pictures. Along with some of my horrible, horrible handwriting. I hope you do not mind. I love this so much...
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Aug 14, 2011 18:11
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I love your Aldo Lestrade.
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Aug 14, 2011 18:14
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Jeeze, I love all the little details in this--the Steel Viper symbol on the playing card in the Hunchback's hat; the dress shirt and vest that simply end in a cooling vest; the moustache on the Steel Viper Neurohelmet, the Atlas' Muttonchops... this is pure gold. XD T. G., you get pick the Inner Sphere name for a Clan 'Mech; because that's just plain drat amazing. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 18:24
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AtlasCop is seriously the best law enforcement officer ever. and the way the helmet popped up when it blew the whistle, perfection.
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Aug 14, 2011 18:28
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I am glad I managed to entertain! Thank you guys so much, my hand's all sore again but to give a good chuckle is worth it. I started on the comic the INSTANT I saw GruntyThrst's post and just kept drawing non-stop, accidentally pulling an all-nighter in the process. Sometimes a mental picture gets posted that I just can't resist. But writing without contractions don't come natural, no sir. On specific topics I can comment on: KnoxZone posted:I love your Aldo Lestrade I'm really glad sarna's there to help out with the little details like that. Though I can't help but wonder if the official Aldo happens to be another one of Battletech's "based on a celebrity" portrait. PoptartsNinja posted:(Kind things) I'm also really glad that shoving all the miniature throwaway gags in worked out well! Was almost afraid the whole thing'd be too "busy" and that it'd hurt the comedy. I try to put in a lot of attention to detail, at least where I think it counts. AtomikKrab posted:AtlasCop I know! He's the best constable. Another one of those little details: AtlasCop has a beardstache. Now I'd better get some rest. EDIT: Er, yes, nevermind. I guess all of the facial hair was spotted. Ahem. My work is done here. Runa fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 18:40
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Bobby Atlas is truly the greatest constable of our times.
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Aug 14, 2011 18:42
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PoptartsNinja posted:T. G., you get pick the Inner Sphere name for a Clan 'Mech; because that's just plain drat amazing. So much for resting! This is gonna keep me up. But! Has anyone named the Dire Wolf? I think it's a fantastic machine but I hate every name the Combine gives to Clan 'Mechs. And I'm not just saying that to make myself look like less of a weeaboo. EDITS: VVVVV Really? Then I truly am mistaken. But Daishi is still a horrid name. Also I'll try to have a new name by the next time I return. Runa fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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T.G. Xarbala posted:So much for resting! This is gonna keep me up. But! Has anyone named the Dire Wolf? vvv Cauldron Bros Usual Barb fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Aug 14, 2011 |
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Aug 14, 2011 18:55
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T.G. Xarbala posted:So much for resting! This is gonna keep me up. But! Has anyone named the Dire Wolf? I dunno the Cauldron Born is a pretty good name I thought, certainly better than the Ebon Jaguar. That said most of the rest of the DC's names are pretty bad. ^^^ beaten drat you
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T.G. Xarbala posted:So much for resting! This is gonna keep me up. But! Has anyone named the Dire Wolf? I endorse anything that gets us to "less Japanese names in common usage". Especially if the replacements are good. So the Dire Wolf (Daishi), Stormcrow (Ryoken), Mist Lynx (Koshi) etc would be awesome ones to rename. And that comic made me chortle. Fabulous.
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Mukaikubo posted:I endorse anything that gets us to "less Japanese names in common usage". Especially if the replacements are good. So the Dire Wolf (Daishi), Stormcrow (Ryoken), Mist Lynx (Koshi) etc would be awesome ones to rename. And that comic made me chortle. Fabulous. For some reason calling a Warhawk a Masakari has always upset me greatly. No mech deserves a better name than this one.
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I'd just like to chime in endorsing Atlas Cop, too. He's just awesome.
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That was...amazing. As for the topic of the game...There's still a giant fuckoff warship orbiting the planet, right? If say if they're asking permission to leave the planet peacefully, we say yes.
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