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flavor posted:What's that supposed to mean? Prussia was stolen by Germans? It was German all along. Not until like the 13th century or so. It's named after a Slavic people that used to live in what was later called East Prussia.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Not until like the 13th century or so. It's named after a Slavic people that used to live in what was later called East Prussia.
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Aug 14, 2011 13:38
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It's entirely meaningful, it just isn't recent. The Teutonic Knights grabbed the land (on a neighboring Polish duke's invitation, more or less) and then a bunch of German settlers were moved in to take it over.
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Aug 14, 2011 13:58
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Stuhlmajor posted:Calling people that speak regular hochdeutsch "Preußen" is fairly common in some regions/states like Saxonia, Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, Frankonia...heck, in Frankonia pretty much everything outside the regional borders is considered "Prussia". Well Saxony uses it only for people from the area I mentioned (who are mostly quite far from speaking hochdeutsch). No discriminating going on against hochdeutsch here. 
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Not until like the 13th century or so. It's named after a Slavic people that used to live in what was later called East Prussia. The 'original' Old Prussians were a Baltic people, not a Slavic one.
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Aug 14, 2011 14:59
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How do you even define "original" this is a dumb discussion.
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niethan posted:How do you even define "original" this is a dumb discussion. The only point I was making is that those guys are where the term "Prussian" comes from even if they were already pretty much entirely irrelevant by the early 18th century or so when German-run Prussia really became prominent. Hip Flask posted:The 'original' Old Prussians were a Baltic people, not a Slavic one. Whoops, yeah. The Baltic languages are more closely related to Slavic than to other branches of the Indo-European family but they're considered distinct. Sorry.
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Aug 14, 2011 15:19
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:The only point I was making is that those guys are where the term "Prussian" comes from even if they were already pretty much entirely irrelevant by the early 18th century or so when German-run Prussia really became prominent.
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I keep tabs on a few country-specific T&T thread and I gotta say that this is by far the most amusing one for an outsider looking in, in terms of the weird esoteric arguments y'all seem to have all the time.
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Aug 15, 2011 10:11
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Enough with this Prussian business! I need this more than porn
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Aug 15, 2011 11:33
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Swiss knifes were Swiss originally before they got stolen by Bavarians!
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I really don't get why you're so invested in this dumb argument. Are you a time-travelling Teutonic Knight offended by my choice of words? I apologize.
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bronin posted:Enough with this Prussian business! That is a revolting affront to god and the swiss people.
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bronin posted:Enough with this Prussian business! Tacky as hell. And gross.
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Aug 15, 2011 13:07
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Come on people, lighten up. Is it really worse than this: http://www.avantgardegadgets.com/53342.html ?
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Aug 15, 2011 13:12
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bronin posted:Come on people, lighten up. Is it really worse than this: http://www.avantgardegadgets.com/53342.html ? Well, I'd say it's just as bad.
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Aug 15, 2011 13:16
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Well, I'd say it's just as bad.  Well alright then. Carry on.
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Aug 15, 2011 13:17
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What just happened is an example of "I maintain that, as long as you tell a German loudly and clearly what to do, if you are senior to him he will cry 'jawohl' (yes sir) and get on with it enthusiastically and efficiently whatever the situation." - "Mad Jack" Churchill
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Aug 15, 2011 13:24
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niethan posted:What just happened is an example of This also works very well, especially in situations involving some form of disorder.
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I'm sorry guys, (near)mountain folk don't work that way. I might say "jawohl" and stab you in the back later, though.
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I'm going to Berlin this weekend with a friend and I'm not really sure what to do. It'll be my second time in Berlin and I already spent a week+ there doing touristy stuff and just lounging around, and I think it's gonna be the third time my friend's been there. We're not really interested in museums. What kind of open air/outdoor/things on the streets could we do to pass the time during the day? I'm open for suggestions that are off the beaten path (e.g., no Checkpoint Charlie). Also is the Berghrain really that hard to get into/worth it? If it helps my friend is a girl.
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Aug 15, 2011 15:13
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You consider going to the Berghain and want things to do this weekend? http://imrauschmitfreunden.de/ have fun! Edit: On it's own this might be a bit confusing. This weekend there is a... let's call it excessive, festival named "Im Rausch mit Freunden" in Berlin. If you are even remotely into electronic music this is mandatory and even if you aren't, it's only 15€. hankor fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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Aug 15, 2011 16:58
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hankor posted:You consider going to the Berghain and want things to do this weekend? Was this suppose to mean something like I'm crazy to want to do both? (Wasn't really considering going to the Berghain but people were talking about it on this page so I thought I'd ask).
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Aug 15, 2011 18:39
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Isn't Berghain continually open from Friday to Sunday?
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There has actually been a long-going debate about whether the city-state of Berlin and the state of Brandenburg should be reunited into a state of Prussia, but there's not much support for the measure. Already economically weak Brandenburg doesn't want to get saddled with non-too-shiny Berlin finances, and the very cosmopolitical Berliners don't want a bunch of province hicks to dictate their policies. It will never happen. As has been mentioned so far, outside of history books and delusional historical revanchists, the term "Prussian" exists only as a Bavarian slur for every north of the Weisswurscht equator (an imaginary geographical line that separates Bavaria from its' northern neighbors). In Munich, we tend to use the term "Saupreiss" , which means "Prussian Pig" Back to the passport questions: You won't be able to keep your other citizenship if you get the German one- and getting it isn't a piece of cake. A Croatian-born friend of mine had to jump through several year's worth of bureaucratic hoops to get there, and he went to school here, speaks perfect German etc. I have both German and Italian passports, but this is only possible because of a special legal agreement between the two nations. There was a very heated and partisan debate about double citizenship in the late 1990ies, the CDU/CSU tried to stir up the anti-foreign vote by outlawing it (they succeeded), so now the laws are very strict.
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^^^ We'd rather burn down the whole loving city before we let those peasants ruin our sophisticated lifestyle.Ziir posted:Was this suppose to mean something like I'm crazy to want to do both? (Wasn't really considering going to the Berghain but people were talking about it on this page so I thought I'd ask). What I meant was that if you like the Berghain the festival I posted should be right up your alley and that you could easily spend your whole weekend dancing on the festival during the day and in the Berghain/RAW-Tempel during the night and morning. Sounds like a good weekend to me. hankor fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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hankor posted:What I meant was that if you like the Berghain the festival I posted should be right up your alley and that you could easily spend your whole weekend dancing on the festival during the day and in the Berghain/RAW-Tempel during the night and morning. Sounds like a good weekend to me. Ah, I see. I'll keep that in mind. And if we didn't feel like dancing from 10pm Friday until Sunday?
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Ziir posted:Ah, I see. I'll keep that in mind. And if we didn't feel like dancing from 10pm Friday until Sunday? Well, there is always the option to get drunk. Otherwise I was told about some rather bitching Putt-Putt-Golf the other day. http://nuture-art.gebietsdiener.de/index.php/news vvvv sort of true, they can but don't necessarily have it open all day, during the summer they open up the garden which is the main location during the day. fr: Running Order Berghain 23:59 h - 03:00 h Ben Klock 03:00 h - 04:00 h Monolake 04:00 h - 06:00 h Ben Klock 06:00 h - 10:00 h Heiko Laux 10:00 h - End Fiedel Running Order Panorama Bar 23:59 h - 04:00 Nick Höppner 04:00 h - 05:00 h Paul Brtschitsch 05:00 h - 09:00 h Dj Sasha 09:00 h - End Cassy Running Order Garten 12:00 h - 16:00 h Prosumer 16:00 h - 20:00 h Motor City Drum Ensemble sa: Running Order Berghain 23:59 h - 04:00 h Norman Nodge 04:00 h - 08:00 h Andre Galluzzi 08:00 h - 11:00 h Savas Pascalidis 11:00 h - 15:30 h Len Faki 15:30 h - End Chris Liebing Running Order Panorama Bar 23:59 h - 03:00 h Phono & Kemi 03:00 h - 06:00 h Daniel Dreier 06:00 h - 09:00 h Philip Bader 09:00 h - 12:00 h Tom Clark su: 12:00 h - 16:00 h Todd Bodine 16:00 h - 20:00 h Ryan Elliott 20:00 h - End ??? hankor fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Isn't Berghain continually open from Friday to Sunday? I heard it's Friday 12 PM to Monday 9 AM. True or bullshit?
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So what about me determines that I won't get into Berghain, this fact has been kept vague. Is it just the door-person being arbitrary?
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Ziir posted:I'm going to Berlin this weekend with a friend and I'm not really sure what to do. It'll be my second time in Berlin and I already spent a week+ there doing touristy stuff and just lounging around, and I think it's gonna be the third time my friend's been there. We're not really interested in museums. What kind of open air/outdoor/things on the streets could we do to pass the time during the day? I'm open for suggestions that are off the beaten path (e.g., no Checkpoint Charlie). Have you done berliner unterwelten?
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elwood posted:Have you done berliner unterwelten? I can also recommend their tours. Very, very interesting.
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elwood posted:Have you done berliner unterwelten? Never heard of it and their website seems to be down. Is this it? (oh my god at 3 minutes in are they speaking Dutch? At first when the woman was talking alone upstairs I just thought I didn't understand a drat thing cause of background noise  )
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Aug 15, 2011 21:49
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http://berliner-unterwelten.de/home.1.1.html
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Also, someone suggested to me the waldfeste. Might be worth my time? Will see lederhosen?
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elwood posted:http://berliner-unterwelten.de/home.1.1.html Ah now it works. Looks interesting. By the way completely unrelated but I remember when I was in Switzerland someone told me that when texting people usually spell out ä, ö, ü (ae, etc) because using those characters limits SMS from 160 chars down to something else. Is that true?
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Aug 16, 2011 17:19
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That can't possibly be true - if anything, it's the other way round.
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Yeah, ä is only one letter ae are two. Don't know how that would make any sense. Hell, most older cell phones could only send one sms and would count down from 160. Never was there any sudden jump when I typed ä, ö or ü.
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It was something about ä taking more memory than ae but I was also drunk at the time (and a Swiss person told me this, I know they don't use ß, but don't they also not use capital Ä et al as well?) so maybe I remember wrong.
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Ziir posted:It was something about ä taking more memory than ae but I was also drunk at the time (and a Swiss person told me this, I know they don't use ß, but don't they also not use capital Ä et al as well?) so maybe I remember wrong. That Swiss person was probably more drunk than you were.
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