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Zaodai posted:Hegira is an actual word (albeit rarely used) that means to escape from a dangerous situation. Sorry, all I can think of when I hear that word is that Strahna Mechty is better known as Kharak and
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Cythereal posted:Sorry, all I can think of when I hear that word is that Strahna Mechty is better known as Kharak and We need a mission where we torch 
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KnoxZone posted:We need a mission where we torch Why do that when the factories located on the surface can be captured. The Wolf Clan (Widowmaker in this timeline) sites here produce the Dire Wolf and Timber Wolf Omnimechs (also, the Linebacker omnimech if it is in production yet...). You can't tell me you wouldn't like to capture those sites. landcollector fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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KnoxZone posted:Now I expect a Political Vote within 20 minutes Not until I get actual orders. :p
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The moment of truth. I believe in Goonlance. Even if they're not technically a lance right now. So, about that IS reporting name. This is kind of a big deal for me, since I've hated the name "Daishi" for a long time. I also understand and agree that the Masakari, Ryoken, Koshi, and others are also horribly named, and I trust my fellow Goons to give them properly intimidating names should they arrive on the battlefield. But the Dire Wolf? The Dire Wolf is mine today. I've given this a lot of thought. Odin? Unfortunately, there's a Clan scout tank by that name and that would make things confusing. Balrog? Like Cauldron-Born, it's a nice reference to early 20th century fantasy literature that Future Space People might mistake for legend but for some reason I think it suits the Stone Rhino more. Yet for designations "Behemoth" suits Stone Rhino best. Marduk? That's an awesome name, but it's also the name of a system in the Draconis Combine. While very good names, perhaps I should step back from the myths of gods and demons and to step into the myths that surround real men of war. The Dire Wolf should have a unique name that screams  yet carries a degree of dignity only the lens of I would like to see the Dire Wolf given the reporting name "Varangian."  I hope this bit of history nerd self-indulgence meets A number of EDITS: Well a Varyag could mean any viking who happens to be in Russia or Greece. Varangian directly evokes the name of the elite Imperial Guard of the Roman remnant. It also has exactly as many syllables as "It's a Gundam!" and can be shouted in a similar manner. Also, if you look at the Dire Wolf crosswise and squint very hard, it kind of almost vaguely resembles the (later) IS Viking Battlemech, if said 'Mech had actual arms and an armored canopy instead of Missiles Everywhere. Surprised at how many people dislike the name. Cripes! DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I think "Varangian" is a kick-rear end name 
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Great idea, Vikings rock, just... "Varangian" is just a bit unwieldy as the name of a 'mech. What was your reasoning when you picked it over "Varyag"? Actually, I think Vikings might just rock a little too hardcore for the Clans, but c'est la vie.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Not until I get actual orders. :p Good point. Just so we're clear here, I sent in orders to move to Hex 1620 (Two to the southeast of me) and ask for orders. My personal vote is to grant Hegira, but if I am told to fire, I'll fire with everything sans ER PPC on F5.
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I think "Varangian" is a kick-rear end name and anyone who disagrees is insufficiently .
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I think "Varangian" is a kick-rear end name and anyone who disagrees is insufficiently I keep reading that as varingina 
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I dunno, I thought Great Death was a pretty appropriate name for the Dire Wolf.
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Varangian is a perfectly good name. Now we just need to beat the Combine to the Warhawk and Stormcrow, and we will be in good shape.
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Mukaikubo posted:Varangian is a perfectly good name. Now we just need to beat the Combine to the Warhawk and Stormcrow, and we will be in good shape. The Goliath Scorpions don't use either of those extensively, I don't think. Could be wrong of course. I think we're fairly safe?
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It would be really weird to prevent the OPFOR from withdrawing under a flag of surrender from a strategic objective you have been sent to capture - and the object is likely to be the ONLY facility capable of communication with the rest of your force/Comstar Even a 1% chance of losing the HPG far outweights any realistic value you could assign to the remaining clan mechs. Yes, you're letting a big fish go, but the question really is 'is the ability to tie back to the rest of the galaxy worth 2-3 clan mechs and some helos?' Yeah, even just a massive dump of tactical infomation and intelligence gained so far is going to be worth 2 or 3 clan mechs to Comstar, but I suspect you could find something better to do than that. Edit: The number of Mech's the Comguard HAS seems pretty low - Sarna.net cites it as 2148. So really you is capturing the HPG relay worth 0.1% to winning the war. Given those numbers actually I'd be tempted to kill the Clan mechs. Where are the total clan mech force estimates in this thread? It moves so fast that something said 10 pages ago is lost in the sands of time. Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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Really, really big. Measured in galaxies big. Way more than big enough that a couple mechs one way or the other is not a strategic issue.
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Success in this mission will make Precentor Tor Miraborg look really good, too. Move him up in ComStar. There's no way we won't benefit from having the Iron goddamn Jarl calling shots.
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Not big on the new mech name, as I agree it's unwieldy. I like that you went with vikings, but you could have picked just about anything better. Oh well, at least your comic was awesome.
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Gotta agree with Zaodai on this one, but for a different reason. I could go in to it but Cyrano over in TFR said it best:slightly paraphrased posted:The Varangian Guard are pretty much a historical footnote to anyone who isn't balls deep in medieval Byzantine history. They're also a bit of a popular motif among the sort of people who like to go to Renn Faires and pretend that they're participating in "living history" when they get drunk off badly brewed mead and grope underaged shelf-boob. I think Varyag isn't nearly as awkward and also doesn't need a Gundam reference as justification.
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Professor Bling posted:I think Varyag isn't nearly as awkward and also doesn't need a Gundam reference as justification. Varyag also evokes the noble Soviet aircraft carrier that Ukraine put up for auction and a Chinese front bought for 20 million bucks. and the cruiser in the Russo-Japanese War I guess
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Professor Bling posted:doesn't need a Gundam reference Now that's just unthinkable, sir. How dare you. But yes, anyone with an internet connection knows the actual Varangian Guard were just the Emperor's barbaric, glorified wine-disposal tank. And that they were mostly Anglo-Saxon after the Norman Conquest. Honestly? I think the name "Varyag" is a bit less dignified due to a lack of Latinization. I will admit it's got an appropriate Russian guttural quality to it but it also sounds infinitely worse when you imagine it pronounced by someone who's not even attempting a fake Russian accent.
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If people really don't like the name maybe they should demand a trial of possession for the naming rights. So far T.G. has bid one awesome cartoon. What have the haters bid?
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Soylent Pudding posted:If people really don't like the name maybe they should demand a trial of possession for the naming rights. So far T.G. has bid one awesome cartoon. What have the haters bid? They can bid that they will stop whining about it, i'd value that pretty high.
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Affi posted:They can bid that they will stop whining about it, i'd value that pretty high. Varangian is no skin off my nose, I just saw an excuse to mention that the Chinese bought a loving aircraft carrier for 20mil with the totally implausible excuse of turning it into a floating casino, because that is hilarious.
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Affi posted:They can bid that they will stop whining about it, i'd value that pretty high. We've got the right to voice our opinions on the matter. He won the right the name it, not the right for all of us to kiss his rear end.
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Zaodai posted:We've got the right to voice our opinions on the matter. He won the right the name it, not the right for all of us to kiss his rear end. And others have the right to tell you your opinions are being voiced in an exceptionally grating and entitled fashion, so your argument proves nothing. Seriously, dude posted a pretty cool comic. He got a reward for it. If what he does with the reward irks you, next time you post a pretty cool comic and then you can have your own reward that will irritate people. 'Til then, can't we all just sit back, shut up, and enjoy the fact that PTN is cool enough to encourage this kind of participation?
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:And others have the right to tell you your opinions are being voiced in an exceptionally grating and entitled fashion, so your argument proves nothing. That's not being fair to Zaodai. He's not nearly as irritated or indignant as that one time when someone won the option to send in air support for the Goonlance. Air support that flew right into the crosshairs of the Clan's AA assets. All he's saying is that he agrees with ShadowDragon and that's alright by me. Take note that I drew a Bloodnamed commander wearing a terrible disguise in the cockpit to match the terrible disguise her Hunchback was wearing. Then I named her Bethany and had her flee an Atlas that was armed with nothing but a truncheon, a whistle, and a heavier complement of facial hair. This is the quality of taste I was bringing to the table. A fairly unwieldy name that invokes a divisive topic among armchair historians isn't nearly the worst I could've done.
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I wasn't even campaigning to have the name changed. As TG Xarbala said, I was just agreeing with Shadowdragon. My later post was to point out that doing one awesome thing doesn't suddenly entitle you to having everyone say everything you do is awesome, and that being a whiny bitch to complain about people voicing their opinions is pretty loving stupid. I thought I was being fairly civil about it, and T.G. Xarbala seemed to read my post as having civil tone (adjusted on the relative Zaodai scale of civility), so everything seems fine on that front.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:That's not being fair to Zaodai. He's not nearly as irritated or indignant as that one time when someone won the option to send in air support for the Goonlance. Air support that flew right into the crosshairs of the Clan's AA assets. All he's saying is that he agrees with ShadowDragon and that's alright by me. I personally think this shows exceptional taste. Also AtlasCop has guns, but never uses them except as a last moment, YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD ME CRIMINAL pull... because they would ruin the trenchcoat something fierce.
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...so, attempting to move right on past this slapfight... Anyone have any PREDICTIONS as to what is going to happen during the timeskip PTN has said will be occurring after this mission? Probably no battles TOO terribly pivotal, but perhaps the political mess in the Capellan Confederation will come to a boil with hilarious results?
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Honestly, in a move to kick dirt right in canon's eye I suspect the FWL might actually become a real a power player. The Clans will probably make heavy inroads through the Lyran and Draconis corridors that would put the canon boundaries to shame. This does rely on how the Red Corsair battle plays out and the consequences of it, but they're too much wasted potential not to see put to use, and outside of ComStar I would wager the Mariks having the edge on level 2 IS tech. The Clans will probably be in a position poised to threaten the rimward powers and I'm hoping to see signs of the Successor States uniting, even if means the Lyrans and the Combine wind up playing the part of the plucky resistance.
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Mukaikubo posted:...so, attempting to move right on past this slapfight... Post-timeskip the Clans will reach Earth. Every player controls a mech from one clan. The clan of the player who wins MVP of the battle becomes ilClan, leading to an age of
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Varyag is a better name since it's a noun. Varangian is an adjective and thus makes a kind of lame name and is also kinda long.
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Personally I don't even get why we have to rename the mechs in the first place. Makes it even more confusing for everybody involved. Also, I don't think that the canon names are that bad. Having said that, T.G. Xarbala earned the right to come up with a new name by making an awesome, awesome comic, so everybody kindly shut up now.
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T.G. Xarbala I am honored to have even slightly inspired such a masterpiece. Well done.
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Mukaikubo posted:...so, attempting to move right on past this slapfight... Comstar will invent the HPG kazoo, a pocket-sized form of their more cumbersome and structure-sized HPG uplink. 
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I like Varangian. The fact that it's history-nerd-controversial in some manner makes it more authentic - not many battlefield mech-naming guys in the future will be well-versed in real authentic history, but plenty of them were probably renfaire nerds when they were kids before they grew up to be mech pilots. Or if not renfaire, then they probably played whatever the 24th-century equivalent to RISK and Europa Universalis III will be. Also Varangian may be an adjective but it's also a noun, so that's no worry there; it's the same as the word "American". E.g., "It's an American flag" (adjective) vs. "He's an American" (noun). The Varangian Guard was so-named because the dudes in it were Varangians, and it doesn't only refer to the Varangian Guard, but rather the people who (at first) made war on the Byzantines and raided up and down the Volga and Dnieper rivers. And no, they're not Varyags. The etymology indicates they're vár "pledge" and gengi "companion", or basically a warrior sworn to service. Which is entirely appropriate for clanners if you think about it. The Varangian Guard were famous (perhaps undeservedly so) for being super-loyal to their leader, regardless of who that might be. If I had a single quibble, it'd be that they were famous as axe-wielders, and therefore the name would fit best on a mech armed with an axe. Don't think the clans are likely to field one, though, so that's a moot point.
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I like the name you picked (It's definitely better than 'Varyag', too), although I also have to agree with Tarquinn in that I don't think renaming mechs is a good idea at all. As the game goes on and more mechs take on new, non-canon names, this will confuse the hell out of the audience, especially since most of the meat of the LP consists of text, without accompanying illustrations.
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Leperflesh posted:And no, they're not Varyags. The etymology indicates they're vár "pledge" and gengi "companion", or basically a warrior sworn to service. And heavens, it's not like Varyag could be derived from that or anything, like at the top of the page you linked. Moving away from this, I'm sure a whole lot is going to happen during the time skip, but it's the leap itself that concerns me; without Tyra ramming the ilKhan, what is there to seriously delay the Invasion enough for the IS to catch their breath? With no Dragoon Dex, will there be a grand ComStar summit on Hilton Head? why is the First Circuit on Hilton Head anyway; screwy developers
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Gimmick Account posted:I like the name you picked (It's definitely better than 'Varyag', too), although I also have to agree with Tarquinn in that I don't think renaming mechs is a good idea at all. As the game goes on and more mechs take on new, non-canon names, this will confuse the hell out of the audience, especially since most of the meat of the LP consists of text, without accompanying illustrations. They aren't changing the names, just the designation. A Dire Wolf is still a Dire Wolf, the only difference is that the IS labels it as a Varangian and not a Daishi. As awesome as the Thunderchild is, you will never not hear me call the Nova anything but a Nova.
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Leperflesh posted:I like Varangian. The fact that it's history-nerd-controversial in some manner makes it more authentic - not many battlefield mech-naming guys in the future will be well-versed in real authentic history, but plenty of them were probably renfaire nerds when they were kids before they grew up to be mech pilots. Or if not renfaire, then they probably played whatever the 24th-century equivalent to RISK and Europa Universalis III will be. I also like Varangian. If you think that's too awkward, you're a big fat neckbearded baby. Waah, waah, four syllables. Besides, on com chatter it all gets shortened to vars anyway, methinks. No one cares what your tongue thinks. On the other hand, how appropriate is the name to the mech? I personally think big axe wielders fits more with short range big cannon mechs, but then the Viking doesn't exactly follow that logic, now does it? So yay for historical military units for names. Maybe that could be a Comguard thing. On a different note, holy crud timeskip.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Honestly, in a move to kick dirt right in canon's eye I suspect the FWL might actually become a real a power player. The Clans will probably make heavy inroads through the Lyran and Draconis corridors that would put the canon boundaries to shame. This does rely on how the Red Corsair battle plays out and the consequences of it, but they're too much wasted potential not to see put to use, and outside of ComStar I would wager the Mariks having the edge on level 2 IS tech. I'm excited to see the Hollander I designed take the battlefield! It's going to look even more silly when other L2 gear is available and yet the Gauss rifle is the only piece of non-L1 gear on it. My condolences in advance for anyone assigned to pilot one, btw.
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