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quote:I don't think manufacturers give enough of a poo poo about rally to make that work. It wasnt just about rally when you had to homologate. Group A and Group N were a worldwide and multi disciple formula so you could conceiveably run the same car on circuit and next week on gravel. At one point that was actually the case too, so for instance the original M3 would feature at the Manx, then at Hockemiem and then in Wales, basically all the same car and running much of what you had on the road car. astropika posted:Homologation versions aren't that close to the rally car, no anti-lag and usually tuned to half the HP or under (not that that is much of an impediment). Not true, esp in the Group A days and still the case in Group N - if anything the road car is quicker than the Group N version. EVO's even had antilag systems ready to be plugged in.
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Cat Terrist posted:It wasnt just about rally when you had to homologate. Group A and Group N were a worldwide and multi disciple formula so you could conceiveably run the same car on circuit and next week on gravel. At one point that was actually the case too, so for instance the original M3 would feature at the Manx, then at Hockemiem and then in Wales, basically all the same car and running much of what you had on the road car. Yeah, but we were talking about AWD turbo fiestas and focuses, it would never ever be possible for ford to build them for a price people would pay (and losing money on every car isn't so popular at the moment, unless you are bugatti). edit: and thus WRC homologation would just mean manufacturers pulling out. astropika fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Aug 18, 2011 |
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Aug 18, 2011 14:16
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KozmoNaut posted:Bring back proper homologation rules, I want to see at least 500 fire-spitting AWD turbo Fiestas etc. produced and sold to the general public. I hear that. If anything I think it would make road cars (and bikes) better for the consumer since the mental race-ready poo poo can be confined to the 500-or-whatever models for homologation. Plus, the only true homologation special left on the roads these days is the 1198R and only having Ducati racers left is just boring. I wants me a modern R7, ZXR750R et al dammit.
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Aug 18, 2011 16:22
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KozmoNaut posted:Bring back proper homologation rules, I want to see at least 500 fire-spitting AWD turbo Fiestas etc. produced and sold to the general public. Come to Europe and watch some rallycross cars, there you have 500 bhp Fiestas / Subarus / Other stuff, the main point is, they spit fire and are fast as poo poo 
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Aug 18, 2011 19:12
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the chic in psychic posted:Come to Europe and watch some rallycross cars, there you have 500 bhp Fiestas / Subarus / Other stuff, the main point is, they spit fire and are fast as poo poo Last I checked, I lived in Europe  There are plenty of bonkers cars in various race series, but why aren't road versions of these cars on sale? I mean, with Mitsubishi kinda-sorta shitcanning the Evo XI (or at least making some sort of weird electric/diesel/whatchamacallit hybrid instead of an AWD turbo 4-cylinder), the only WRC homologation car left is the Subaru Impreza WRX and Subaru isn't even officially in the WRC anymore. I want every manufacturer to offer at least one of their sedans or hatchbacks in a fire-breathing AWD turbo-charged WRC-alike performance trim. Is that really too much to ask? 
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Aug 18, 2011 20:17
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ZR1 crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0chPBctxcyE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SYNr6_IMO8
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Aug 18, 2011 22:36
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astropika posted:Yeah, but we were talking about AWD turbo fiestas and focuses, it would never ever be possible for ford to build them for a price people would pay Subaru and Mitsubishi seemed to have managed.
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Aug 19, 2011 04:14
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jamal posted:the rally car drivetrain is completely different. they even put the motor in longitudenally. The WRC Fiesta is limited by S2000+ rules to have a factory (transverse) motor orientation, right? In any case, it is. I'm sure they do tons of packaging changes that could never work in a production car, just for the engine itself. I think Block's old gymkhana car was longitudinal, but the new one in the 4th video is transverse again.
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Aug 19, 2011 10:11
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Didn't I read somewhere (probably here) that the consumer Fiesta's unibody has a space for a driveshaft?
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Aug 19, 2011 16:23
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After seeing Modreds 159 in post your car, I went looking for youtubes... The V6 model sounds the tits, and homeboy keeps the paint polished to a T. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX-YGOf7_YU
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Tentacle Party posted:After seeing Modreds 159 in post your car, I went looking for youtubes... Nothing really sounds quite like an Alfa V6, does it? The 3.2 V6 is actually a GM engine 
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FogHelmut posted:Didn't I read somewhere (probably here) that the consumer Fiesta's unibody has a space for a driveshaft? I can't find the FIA appendix that would say so for for a fact, but yes, chassis modifications like making space for a driveshaft would not be allowed for WRC spec cars.
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Aug 20, 2011 16:10
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KozmoNaut posted:Nothing really sounds quite like an Alfa V6, does it? Based on a GM motor. It's got Alfa heads, as far as I know. The Busso/Arese V6 motors were the tits, though. YouTube some clips of the 156 GTA, 3.2 GTV and GTV6. Here are a few I've got favourited http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibYhAoE5HI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l_TxiUMXLg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmp_nu_ZOBI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtVZJfTsSVc Hello Spaceman fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 20, 2011 |
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Hello Spaceman posted:Based on a GM motor. It's got Alfa heads, as far as I know. I vote GM's earlier V6 found in the Grand Prixs and Ams to produce the worst sound possible out of a V6. Example Sick sounding indeed, sir.
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Aug 20, 2011 21:27
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I much prefer engines with great induction noise. Like the M3 CSL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZMYmoZW2kk
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Aug 20, 2011 21:35
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This was in the related column of the crazy Polish rally driver posted a while ago. A guy taking a semi-truck down one of those crazy winding mountain passes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVsVvsGAu0 While busses and caravans attempt to climb it.
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Aug 20, 2011 21:39
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in the related truck breaks in half http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNAQuZr0gUI&feature=related
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Aug 21, 2011 01:25
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F1 in Austin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1gmuDlt548 0:40 is amazing.
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2ndclasscitizen posted:F1 in Austin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1gmuDlt548 I'm still really pissed about this. There was no publicity about this what so ever and they also said that they had postponed it. I was prepared all week long to go there yesterday morning and check it out. But everything I read online said they had postponed/cancelled it on Friday. They also aren't showing the Senna documentary anywhere in Austin, which doesn't make any sense. Anyways I think it could have been a good opportunity to get people out there and check out a actual F1 car. Which most Americans have probably never seen in person.
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Aug 21, 2011 18:06
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Walkaround Pagani interior with Mariachi music, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ4bVSwGNOg
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Aug 21, 2011 22:20
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Preoptopus posted:in the related truck breaks in half Driving from TX to SC last month I saw a tractor's trailer that had failed in the same fashion. It looked like it had a really heavy load right in the center of the trailer.
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Aug 22, 2011 00:52
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I had that happen with an empty trailer outside my window. The eventual solution? Get a huge loving forklift to bend the trailer "straight" and he drove off.
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Aug 22, 2011 04:01
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Rollin' in my Pinto I love this music video.
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Aug 22, 2011 04:59
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Throatwarbler posted:ZR1 crash. Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNjrVrpphgQ Straight lines are fuckin hard.
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Bumming Your Scene posted:Straight lines are fuckin hard. From the related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=tU7FndBwCP8 WHAT JUST HAPPENED?!?!
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Aug 22, 2011 14:51
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Professor Bling posted:Rollin' in my Pinto This is awesome.
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4/20 NEVER FORGET posted:From the related: If all these dudes who go out and buy fast-rear end cars to look like a badass yet have no idea how to actually handle the power whatsoever could be convinced to get literbikes instead, this problem would rapidly solve itself. Counterpoint: bike insurance rates 
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Boat posted:If all these dudes who go out and buy fast-rear end cars to look like a badass yet have no idea how to actually handle the power whatsoever could be convinced to get literbikes instead, this problem would rapidly solve itself. This pretty much happens already doesn't it?
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I still prefer the classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVsgUY2piR0 OH poo poo OH poo poo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrwNSkjSvmU Really nice video my friend made. Love the noise.
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Dont think this has been posted before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh_SWN0BsZQ
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JEREMY CLARKSON HATES ARE FREEDOM (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8098450185420129625 Jeremy Clarkson sure does not like America. Still love the dude. And also, he's pretty much right. I mean, sure, all of our cars have way too big and way too inefficient engines, weigh several tons too much, are huge, don't handle at all... And all of our cars fall apart almost instantly. And all of our motor sports involve a circle or oval. And the Z06 Corvette and 2011 Mustang and Charger are so common they don't even grab my attention anymore... Anyway, what was my point? Seriously though, I was trying to think of a contemporary American car that's actually the least bit interesting. I came up with: 1. Dodge Viper (of course) 2. Some stuff Jeep makes seems fun 3. Ford GT 4. Some Saleen Stuff and some Shelby and Roush stuff, I guess and that's literally all I could come up with.
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As much as I love Jeremy Clarkson, I can't stand it when he rips on muscle cars. Yeah, muscle cars will never compare if you look at cars strictly from a numerical perspective. But what's so wrong with driving a car because it's "fun" to drive? Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcrFdCcZKGg He's driving a Shelby Cobra on the Tail of the Dragon. Yeah, he's not going quickly. Yeah, he's getting walked by that Suburu in front of him in places. But the sound of that motor(It's like it's saying DOOOOOM every time he plays with the throttle) Just makes it fun. I tried to find that video of the vintage Chevy Nova going around the Nurbrugring as a better example, but I couldn't find it. Or is it in this thread already? EDIT: Ford Fairlane  that's why it was so hard to find.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD48OX1wu14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRgybAyc6Y 2 parter! Listen to that engine. Driving it through a car wash would feel like a near death experience. Absolutely fantastic! Marauder Stig fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Aug 23, 2011 |
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"Right, it gets terrible mileage, has a jouncy oxcart suspension, was made for 400 pound people and is loaded with plastic. I hate it so much I bought two." Jeremy Clarkson in a nutshell. e- lol watching that vid and the first ten minutes he references the Z06 as having leaf spring suspension, and then he races a convertible auto Mustang around an oval clockwise e2- oh jesus right into a convertible Shelby e3- holy gently caress the Shelbys have a 4.6L, I did not know this......I can't watch this e4- then a Roush against a Lotus  e5- ok I fast forwarded it and saw they raced a quad cab Ram against an Atom, can we fight a war against England again, please? Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Aug 23, 2011 |
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Speaking of Top Gear... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KK4Z7QlqnX8 The Bronies are amongst us.
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VikingSkull posted:e- lol watching that vid and the first ten minutes he references the Z06 as having leaf spring suspension http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_spring Yeah?
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Corvette crash videos seem to be a dime a dozen... although I can't say if it's the car that's lacking or the people who buy them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJieu9dZigg
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So that's how Ferrari did it. Very clever. Auto-targa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDXz0huA1-Q
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VikingSkull posted:"Right, it gets terrible mileage, has a jouncy oxcart suspension, was made for 400 pound people and is loaded with plastic. I hate it so much I bought two." "The Ford GT40 is a great car, this is not the Ford GT40. This is Ford GT, it is not '40' because americans cannot fit into a car fourty inches high" Actual Jeremy Clarkson quote. A dude who looks like he couldn't sit inside of a small country shouldn't call other people fat imo.
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Peanut President posted:"The Ford GT40 is a great car, this is not the Ford GT40. This is Ford GT, it is not '40' because americans cannot fit into a car fourty inches high" "I've always wanted to drive one of these, but I can't. Because if I tried to close the doors the top of my head would be cut off." Not an exact quote, but a paraphrasing of his intro of the new GT during the Top Gear review.
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