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Bown posted:Matthew Perry is Sorkin, the female lead is Kristen Chenoweth. I've always heard this, but I'm curious, when did they work together? And is it just some weird coincidence that Kristen Chenoweth was on The West Wing, but not until Sorkin left?
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thrawn527 posted:I've always heard this, but I'm curious, when did they work together? And is it just some weird coincidence that Kristen Chenoweth was on The West Wing, but not until Sorkin left? Yep, this explains it all: http://kchenoweth.net/media_article_torontostar.php
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Aug 17, 2011 15:08
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scarymonkey posted:Yep, this explains it all: Thanks for that. It's great, and only adds to my appreciation of Chenoweth. Apparently, she's awesome.
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Aug 17, 2011 15:15
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I think Chenoweth is fantastic and all but the banner on that site is creepy as hell
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Aug 17, 2011 17:35
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scarymonkey posted:The grudge refers to the "Ricky Tahoe" character in Studio 60 being a not too subtle reference to West Wing writer Rick Cleveland. I always felt like two scenes, 1) Lemon Lyman, and 2) The Star Trek nerd, were direct shots at the internet by someone who wasn't comfortable with the idea of people outside of their inner circle having opinions. What I didn't realize was that they were by the same person and that they were borne of a specific grudge. Just pathetic, get over yourself dude. Luckily, doesn't change my enjoyment of the show. Just started watching it again last night. No, Sam, don't reform the hooker!
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Aug 17, 2011 18:25
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Theres a reason I loved Harriet Hayes so much, and that reason is Kristen. (Also Sarah Paulson is spot on in just about everything she does).
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Aug 17, 2011 19:22
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Yeesh, what a douche he is, especially re: the writing for In Excelsis Deo. angry internet post about a guy making internet posts about angry internet posts and the snake swallows its tail No really though, I don't really need to know much about the guy to know Aaron Sorkin is a bit of a prick. Watch basically anything he's written for, and especially the West Wing and the Social Network, and you get a pretty good idea that the guy behind the curtain has a pretty high opinion of himself. I don't know if he was a dick to the guy who co-wrote that episode with him but it wouldn't surprise me at all. But the message board responses to his show do sound pretty internet crazy and I'd probably take advantage of the show to lampoon that if I was a writer for a triple a production like the West Wing too.
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Aug 17, 2011 19:41
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I'm Aaron's biggest fan, and his behavior at the Emmy's was pretty reprehensible... even if that's what they all agreed to ahead of time.
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Aug 17, 2011 22:59
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I really don't mind that Aaron is a huge rear end in a top hat in real life because I don't have to deal with him in real life. If being a huge rear end in a top hat is what makes him write well, that works for me, except for the times when he goes way overboard with it (Season 3 Episode 1 again).
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Aug 17, 2011 23:48
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Season 1, episode 1, John Spencer is a tour de god drat force for about the first 10 minutes. They do a 5 minute walk and talk with no cuts and he just kills it.
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Aug 18, 2011 00:21
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TheBigBad posted:I'm Aaron's biggest fan, and his behavior at the Emmy's was pretty reprehensible... even if that's what they all agreed to ahead of time.
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Aug 18, 2011 01:40
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Season 1, episode 1, John Spencer is a tour de god drat force for about the first 10 minutes. They do a 5 minute walk and talk with no cuts and he just kills it. Thanks commentary!
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Aug 18, 2011 02:12
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TheBigBad posted:Theres a reason I loved Harriet Hayes so much, and that reason is Kristen. (Also Sarah Paulson is spot on in just about everything she does). Yeah, and I miss the laugh track on Sports Night
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Aug 18, 2011 02:23
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Dancingthroughlife posted:What year? Was his speech too self-serving or what? Hey grabbed the mic away from Taylor Swift and claimed Josiah Bartlett doesn't care about black people. Serious answer: Just read my above link. He didn't acknowledge or let talk West Wing writer Rick Cleveland who co-wrote the episode that won the Emmy.
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Aug 18, 2011 02:42
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And the episode was a fairly personal one, the guy wrote it about his dad... and then years later in Studio 60 Sorkin was still making fun of him.
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Aug 18, 2011 03:15
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cams posted:There are cuts. In fact, in his walktalk with Josh they actually are on two completely different sets for one cut.
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Aug 18, 2011 05:05
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Alter Ego posted:Josh, you sleep in a dumpster last night?
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Aug 18, 2011 05:53
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Dancingthroughlife posted:What year? Was his speech too self-serving or what? 52nd Primetime Emmys (2000). He didn't have really anything to say because he had said everything earlier and Rick Cleveland looked like he wanted to say something. His body language was dismissive (his back was to Rick) and he just filled time for no good reason and then escorted Rick off. I was probably pissed that Joss didn't win that year too though.
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Aug 18, 2011 06:05
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This is off-topic but I didn't want to make a thread for it and I figured if any viewers may have checked it out they'd be here. Has anyone watched "Commander in Chief"? Was a 2005-2006, 18 episode before cancellation ABC political show. Sounds pretty similar to The West Wing and has Donald Sutherland. Was recc'd to me on Netflix instant streaming, reviews seem mediocre. Worth giving a 2-3 episode check?
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Aug 18, 2011 16:31
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Mandoira posted:This is off-topic but I didn't want to make a thread for it and I figured if any viewers may have checked it out they'd be here.
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Aug 18, 2011 16:43
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Mandoira posted:Has anyone watched "Commander in Chief"? Was a 2005-2006, 18 episode before cancellation ABC political show. Sounds pretty similar to The West Wing and has Donald Sutherland. I never watched it but the show sounded doomed when I heard the premise was Geena Davis became our first Independent President due to the actual nominee dying before inauguration or something. Making the President effectively non-partisan in a show about politics is transparent fence-sitting to avoid alienating any potential audience and that kind of attitude isn't very likely to lead to a well-written show. For all of West Wing's optimism at least it was a show about Democrats and Republicans.
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Aug 18, 2011 16:47
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ufarn posted:It was awful, last time I saw it. Wah wah family troubles and such. It probably had little to do with politics. Yeah I watched the Pilot and I think I'm going to go ahead and bail. Much as I love Donald Sutherland it seemed a bit too ridiculous.
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Aug 18, 2011 16:52
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Mandoira posted:This is off-topic but I didn't want to make a thread for it and I figured if any viewers may have checked it out they'd be here. Donald Sutherland is a lot of fun to watch in it, but other than him it's worthless. He's the only one who seems to be trying at all, and the scripts were just boring.
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Aug 18, 2011 17:41
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I watched it through because I hate myself. Donald Sutherland is trying to get in as the VP so Geena can resign and he can take over, and she's OK with the plan at first, and then decides "hey I'm gonna run this poo poo." There's a couple of crisis or whatever, a lot of gags with the old First Lady's Chief of Staff staying on to head the office the First... Man? Gentleman? What the hell do we call him now?
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Aug 18, 2011 19:32
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It was actually excellent at the time. I re-watched it this year and its worth going through. Sutherland is fantastic, his Chief of Staff is a young still thin Natasha Hendridge who I could stare at for hours on end, Geena's Cheif of Staff is really solid. The only real annoying part is the arc of the First Gentlemen. Watching a castrated man waffle about in gender roles seems good on paper but its mind numbingly stupid in execution.
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Aug 18, 2011 19:41
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Why did Moira Kelly end up leaving the west wing? Was it just because she sucked?
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Aug 18, 2011 21:54
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hypocrite lecteur posted:Why did Moira Kelly end up leaving the west wing? Was it just because she sucked? quote:She left the show after the first season after deciding with producer Aaron Sorkin that her character had played its story out and that Janel Moloney served as a better foil for Bradley Whitford. Her character was not mentioned on the show again, leading to the term Mandyville. Source: http://westwing.wikia.com/wiki/Moira_Kelly
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Aug 18, 2011 21:59
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edit: ^^^ drat you.hypocrite lecteur posted:Why did Moira Kelly end up leaving the west wing? Was it just because she sucked? According to this, which should hardly count as a definitive anything, she and Aaron Sorkin both decided her character had run it's course, and Donna was a better foil for Josh. Which sounds like bullshit, but I can see Aaron Sorkin thinking that. Just not Moira Kelley agreeing. I've also heard she didn't test well with focus groups, and Donna did. Donna was made a regular in the second season, so it would make sense.
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Aug 18, 2011 22:00
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thrawn527 posted:edit: ^^^ drat you. I think Aaron never used her properly. She is in fact the best snarky bitch ever. See Cutting Edge.
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Aug 18, 2011 22:25
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TheBigBad posted:I think Aaron never used her properly. She is in fact the best snarky bitch ever. See Cutting Edge. I never really understood her role, it would make sense to bring her on a new campaign (ala Bruno) but not as a staffer. It was CJs job to communicate the White House message to the public, Toby's to help shape the msssage and Josh's job to help execute the president's legislative agenda among the House and Senate. Her role jumped the shark when she took it upon herself to get two Chinese Pandas for a zoo, at that point Donna already was doing more important work than Mandy.
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Aug 18, 2011 22:32
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She was the best media consultant on the planet evidently. An infallible in house pundit. Meaning she would be able to tell you how the media would react, and the first season the White House was rounding their first year in office having accomplished very little (as they so often do). It became more and more important to get the will of the people on their side so they could get things done. They simply gave CJ her expertise and she became useless.
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Aug 18, 2011 22:49
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I borrowed some box sets from a friend and have burned through the first season and a half in a week and a bit. I hadn't seen any of it since it first aired, but man is it great right now. Noel remains an amazing piece of television.
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Aug 19, 2011 08:20
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scarymonkey posted:I never really understood her role, it would make sense to bring her on a new campaign (ala Bruno) but not as a staffer. It was CJs job to communicate the White House message to the public, Toby's to help shape the msssage and Josh's job to help execute the president's legislative agenda among the House and Senate. Her role jumped the shark when she took it upon herself to get two Chinese Pandas for a zoo, at that point Donna already was doing more important work than Mandy. Also, she always gave me the loving willies just looking at her and listening to her. The line I always think about is the one where they have the hostage crisis with the survivalists and they're debating whether to send in SWAT. Her line is "something something, before we get all Rambo'ed up!" Something about the tone of her voice, and the way her mouth looks is ugggh to me! I realise this is all very  , but it's the way I feel 
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Aug 19, 2011 12:06
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brylcreem posted:Also, she always gave me the loving willies just looking at her and listening to her. No, I have the exact same reaction to her. I find her unbelievably irritating, every time she is on screen. I think it's a common reaction, or at least I've never heard anyone say they LIKE Mandy.
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Aug 19, 2011 12:40
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In fairness the writing for her was pretty bad. The first couple episodes of the first season have not aged super well, and most of the worst offenders are Mandy's lines.
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Aug 19, 2011 18:30
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Just noticed that when Toby confesses to being the leaker he's asked to give Ed and Larry's full names so that someone can go talk to them. Rather than saying them out loud, which would have required them to come up with full names for those guys, he writes them down on a piece of paper and hands it off.
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Aug 19, 2011 21:29
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I just got to where CJ is named CoS, and I think my next disc is scratched beyond readability. So I think I'll be good, because I don't particularly care for those 4 episodes (not that I can remember what they are, but I know I'm always underwhelmed by them). I'm almost considering skipping all the way to the end of S6. Will I miss any good moments doing that?
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Aug 19, 2011 22:01
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Season 6 has some decent episodes. These are the ones I'd watch 11 Opposition Research 13 King Corn 15 Freedonia 17 A Good Day 18 La Palabra 20 In God We Trust 21 Things Fall Apart 22 2162 Votes (not a huge fan of this one but the ending is awesome) I liked all of these and they are all the Vinick and Santos campaign episodes. Alan Alda won an Emmy for his work here and Vinick is a really good character. I'm looking at the episode guide and all the other episodes are definitely "skips" for me. Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 19, 2011 |
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Aug 19, 2011 22:14
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I really like the arc from A Change Is Gonna Come to Faith Based Initiative as the campaign takes shape. Those episodes also have a lot of good Bartlet MS stuff.
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Are any of those the China trip one? (or is it two?) I think I figured out my problem with this pack of episodes: Kate Harper. I also don't like Will/Bingo Bob. But I guess that's what you have to do when you lose a guy like Rob Lowe or whatever happened to Nancy McNally.
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