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Wow, a whole months pay worth of jewelry. That's what, half a wedding ring? Monstrous!
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Gustav posted:Wow, a whole months pay worth of jewelry. That's what, half a wedding ring? Monstrous! I told him what he said was hearsay and left it at that. I'm not trying to convince him to change his viewpoint or whatever, I just want him to look dumb.
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Aug 18, 2011 06:33
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crime fighting hog posted:I'm the blue blocks: "How do you know her jewelry wasn't given as a gift or passed down from family? How do you know she didn't get the jewelry when she wasn't on food stamps?"
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Aug 18, 2011 06:50
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Corbet posted:"How do you know her jewelry wasn't given as a gift or passed down from family? How do you know she didn't get the jewelry when she wasn't on food stamps?" "She wasn't white" Alternatively: " I just do, ok"
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Aug 18, 2011 07:03
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ts12 posted:"She wasn't white" This guy has told me before that German is the only language everyone should learn, so I was kind of expecting the N bomb to come out.
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Aug 18, 2011 07:06
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Gustav posted:Wow, a whole months pay worth of jewelry. That's what, half a wedding ring? Monstrous!
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Aug 18, 2011 07:07
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crime fighting hog posted:I'm the blue blocks: I like the suggestion that the nice things are from before they got on welfare, I can't believe I hadn't heard it before. Also point out that we're in a recession, so it's not a choice between a job and welfare, it's a choice between nothing and welfare. You can't blame Obama for not doing enough for job creation while at the same time blaming lazy poor people. If they're free government types, maybe ask why it's wrong for the government to try to keep our oil rigs from exploding or dumping carcinogens in water or selling mortgage-backed securities designed to fail, but okay to micromanage individuals' shopping lists. Also point out the utter cruelty in the idea that we should stop helping people because they have kids.
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Aug 18, 2011 07:26
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Set them on fire.
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Aug 18, 2011 07:37
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Dr Christmas posted:Also point out the utter cruelty in the idea that we should stop helping people because they have kids. I was about to do this too. He'll probably come up with a castration talking point for fabled welfare queens, blah blah blah. It's a goddamn rabbit hole with the guys I went to high school with. So glad I got out of that town.
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Aug 18, 2011 15:19
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Pretty egregious that they think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You could also point out that food stamp programs return something like $1.70 to the economy for every government dollar spent, so even if they could afford to get by without it, it still wouldn't be waste. Also, ask them why they're so loving lazy that they don't make enough in a month to buy more jewelry then someone who's on food stamps? JerkyBunion fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Aug 18, 2011 |
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Aug 18, 2011 15:34
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Or she was married to an abusive husband who bought her jewelry when he was "sorry", she left him, and is now on food stamps. May not be likely, but battered spouses and children are on the list of people eligible for Food Stamps. Also, did they take the jewelry to a jeweler to be appraised? There's lots of knock off jewelry that's cheap. Ultimately, the point is you can't really judge a person based on what they're wearing or the car they drive. You have no idea how they got to the point they're at. But if they are on Food Stamps, chances are they're a lot worse off than you think. The requirements for getting on Food Stamps are pretty steep. A family of 3 making $15k a year (full-time work at minimum wage) would only get about $377 a month for Food Stamps. So even with that money they're only getting less than $20k a year. Sorry, but anyone who thinks people want to live like that to game the system are crazy. If they could get a job paying $45k for a family of 3 with no food stamps, they would. Edit: A big part of the problem is actually childcare. It's so expensive to put a child in daycare that in many cases its pointless for a woman with little education or job experience to even look for work. P.S. - Abortions, birth control, and proper sex education are bad; and in no way related to this issue. Sarion fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Aug 18, 2011 |
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Aug 18, 2011 16:04
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Link him to one of those fake jewellery stores where you can buy somewhat realistic looking (to people who don't know poo poo about jewellery) stuff for like 10 bucks. Poor people who like to play rich princess LOVE those things. *EDIT* Beaten I see. Point still stands.
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Aug 18, 2011 16:34
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Yeah, jewelry is such a stupid point to be making since cubic zirconium is now to the point where unless you get it under a jeweler's glass you can't tell it's not real. Same with fake emeralds and rubies. You can get a ring that looks like $10k for $50-100, no problem.
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Aug 18, 2011 17:03
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JerkyBunion posted:Pretty egregious that they think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. gently caress it, let's make the plutocracy official. You get one vote for every dollar of taxes paid.
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Aug 18, 2011 17:08
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Sock on a Fish posted:gently caress it, let's make the plutocracy official. You get one vote for every dollar of taxes paid. Then corporations might actually pay taxes. 
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Aug 18, 2011 17:11
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JerkyBunion posted:You could also point out that food stamp programs return something like $1.70 to the economy for every government dollar spent, Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Aug 18, 2011 |
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Aug 18, 2011 22:09
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Strudel Man posted:Do you happen to know where this number comes from? I've heard it before, but I don't think I've ever actually seen the original source. I'm pretty sure it was moodyseconomy.com http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/index.htm
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Yeah, sorry, I was trying to track it down as I wrote that - probably should have finished first. You can find the guy's own writing about it here - apparently, the original source is 'simulations of the Moody’s Economy.com macroeconomic model,' which is...well, let's just say that I wouldn't find it very compelling if such 'simulations' had indicated that the best course was to cut taxes. quote:Increased income support has been part of the federal response to most recessions, and for good reason: It is the most efficient way to prime the economy's pump. Simulations of the Moody’s Economy.com macroeconomic model show that every dollar spent on UI benefits generates an estimated $1.63 in near-term GDP.x Boosting food stamp payments by $1 increases GDP by $1.73 (see Table 2). People who receive these benefits are hard pressed and will spend any financial aid they receive very quickly. Food stamps are most probably pretty good economic stimulus, but the $1.73 figure specifically carries no weight. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Aug 18, 2011 |
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Aug 18, 2011 22:16
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ThePeteEffect posted:Then corporations might actually pay taxes. Ofcourse they would, and they'd get candidates in who would give all that money + interest right back to them.
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Aug 18, 2011 22:17
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quote:A BLACK MAN WALKS INTO A RESTAURANT. A WHITE MAN SAYS "COLORED PEOPLE ARE NOT ALLOWED IN HERE!" THE BLACK MAN SAYS, "WHEN I WAS BORN, I WAS BLACK, WHEN I'M COLD, I'M BLACK WHEN I'M SICK I'M BLACK, WHEN I DIE, I'LL BE BLACK. BUT WHEN YOU WERE BORN YOU WERE PINK, WHEN YOU'RE COLD YOU'RE BLUE, WHEN YOU'RE SICK YOU'RE GREEN, WHEN YOU DIE, YOU'LL BE PURPLE. YET YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL ME COLOURED?!?!"AND HE LEAVES. PUT THIS ON UR PAGE IF UR AGAINST RACISM!!! I'm pretty confused by this one. Not the message, but the grammar. The first part has everything spelled correctly, with proper use of commas (if not periods), and properly uses "you're." The ending uses a different spelling of colored, and reverts to "ur" instead of "your" and "you're." But it's all in caps, so I get the impression the same person typed it. I don't know what to think!
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Aug 18, 2011 22:27
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XyloJW posted:I'm pretty confused by this one. Not the message, but the grammar. The first part has everything spelled correctly, with proper use of commas (if not periods), and properly uses "you're." The ending uses a different spelling of colored, and reverts to "ur" instead of "your" and "you're." But it's all in caps, so I get the impression the same person typed it. I don't know what to think! Person 2 copied it into facebook in all caps and put the ending on
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XyloJW posted:I'm pretty confused by this one. Not the message, but the grammar. The first part has everything spelled correctly, with proper use of commas (if not periods), and properly uses "you're." The ending uses a different spelling of colored, and reverts to "ur" instead of "your" and "you're." But it's all in caps, so I get the impression the same person typed it. I don't know what to think! That one is really, REALLY old. Like I've seen it posted on a BBS in the nineties and it wasn't fresh material back then. So who knows where he got it.
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Aug 18, 2011 22:46
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crime fighting hog posted:I'm the blue blocks: How about : "I said widespread. Look up the meaning of 'anecdotal evidence', rear end in a top hat" Although I guess the "rear end in a top hat" is optional. Depends on whether you want to end the conversation right there/have it turn really ugly fast.
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Aug 19, 2011 01:33
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Actually I kind of believe that someone would buy an iphone or jewelery and still be on EBT because the consumer culture in the US is really hosed up.
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Aug 19, 2011 02:11
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Vladimir Putin posted:Actually I kind of believe that someone would buy an iphone or jewelery and still be on EBT because the consumer culture in the US is really hosed up. Foolishly spending $400 on an iPhone or jewelry still isn't exactly living high on the hog. Regardless of what they spend it on, being on Food Stamps means you earn less than 130% of the FPL. Which means your life isn't exactly something to be envious of. For an individual this means $14000 a year; for a family of 4 it means $29,000 a year. But the amount of food stamps you get is also limited by your income. So if you make right at the edge, you don't get very much assistance from the program.
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Aug 19, 2011 03:22
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Fake jewelry?? What do I look like a poor person? All of this welfare outrage bullshit is because people imagine having their current standard of living plus welfare benefits... If not for the extra headache, it would probably be ideal if everyone received an allowance from the government. Of course, these people would just moan about the restrictions on where they get to spend it. At the very least though, that would be helpful to low income people and not opposed to it.
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Sarion posted:Foolishly spending $400 on an iPhone or jewelry still isn't exactly living high on the hog. Regardless of what they spend it on, being on Food Stamps means you earn less than 130% of the FPL. Which means your life isn't exactly something to be envious of. For the iPhone, at least, it is a major investment towards the future! A good smartphone is almost essential now, and takes care of multiple things a poor person needs with a smaller pricetag. $300 + a monthly bill is less than: home internet + some entertainment + home phone. And, in this economy, you basically need to have a phone at all times for your job/job interview requests. Missing that request could mean missing out on a better job. Having a good phone is one of the best things a poor person can buy.
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Slaan posted:For the iPhone, at least, it is a major investment towards the future! A good smartphone is almost essential now, and takes care of multiple things a poor person needs with a smaller pricetag. $300 + a monthly bill is less than: home internet + some entertainment + home phone. And, in this economy, you basically need to have a phone at all times for your job/job interview requests. Missing that request could mean missing out on a better job. Having a good phone is one of the best things a poor person can buy.
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Sock on a Fish posted:gently caress it, let's make the plutocracy official. You get one vote for every dollar of taxes paid. -2 votes for every dollar of tax break, -3 for every tax credit. If you end up negative you aren't allowed to run commercials.
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jojoinnit posted:A million times this. When I was job hunting my smartphone was everything. Besides allowing me to be in contact with recruiters it allowed me to apply for jobs online and email people about followups. It was my Internet connection and pretty much everything else. These are good points and hadn't thought about it in this way before. I imagine most people think of it the way I initially did and just go "iPhone is a just a luxury item they should be doing without". But yeah a smartphone + plan is way cheaper and in some ways more useful than a computer+home phone+internet.
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SmuglyDismissed posted:Fake jewelry?? What do I look like a poor person? An set monthly 'allowance' from government would actually reduce headache, because it could fold a whole bunch of entitlement and other benefit programmes into one easy check. The concept is called a Basic Income and a number of Nobel Prize in Economic winners came out in support of the concept including loving Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek. You are absolutely right that it would be ideal.
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Aug 19, 2011 16:51
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jojoinnit posted:A million times this. When I was job hunting my smartphone was everything. Besides allowing me to be in contact with recruiters it allowed me to apply for jobs online and email people about followups. It was my Internet connection and pretty much everything else. Yep. This is why many homeless shelters and unemployment offices provide cell phones for the long-term and more trustworthy clients. They can use the cell phone to get a good job. Without a phone, you are screwed. I remember an NPR story about the long-term unemployed where a woman missed accepting a job offer (after 14 months of looking) because she was in the shower when the phone rang. They called the other finalist and get the acceptance immediately, so she lost the job. She cried on the story. 
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Vladimir Putin posted:Actually I kind of believe that someone would buy an iphone or jewelery and still be on EBT because the consumer culture in the US is really hosed up. A refurbished iPhone 3GS 8GB costs $9 with a contract.
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They sent my Census form back! AGAIN!!! In response to the question: "Do you have any dependents?" I replied - "12 million illegal immigrants; 3 million crack heads; 42 million unemployable people, 2 million people in over 243 prisons; and 535 idiots in the U.S. House and Senate. Apparently, this was NOT an acceptable answer. Feel free to re-post, if you agree- I don't even know where to begin on this one.
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apapersack posted:They sent my Census form back! AGAIN!!! In response to the question: "Do you have "And since there are over 200 million taxpayers, you are only supporting 1/4 of a person."
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Aug 19, 2011 20:06
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I kind of agree that people shouldn't support 2 million prisoners.
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Aug 19, 2011 20:10
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I like how unemployed = unemployable. It's a just world out there.
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HipGnosis posted:I kind of agree that people shouldn't support 2 million prisoners.
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Plom Bar posted:What would you suggest as an alternative? Reducing imprisonment to the levels of any other first world country would be a good start.
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Amarkov posted:Reducing imprisonment to the levels of any other first world country would be a good start.
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