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Plom Bar posted:What would you suggest as an alternative? Decriminalize possession of drugs without intent to sell or distribute (i.e. personal use only) entirely, instead focussing on treatment and prevention.
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Plom Bar posted:What would you suggest as an alternative? 
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Aug 19, 2011 20:24
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Oooh! Oooh! Recapitalize private prisons so there's no incentive to increase prison population! All good, these are all good suggestions.
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Aug 19, 2011 20:28
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Oh wait I have a better idea. Make Sherrif Arpaio supreme commander of all prisons.
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Aug 19, 2011 20:42
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apapersack posted:They sent my Census form back! AGAIN!!! In response to the question: "Do you have 12 million illegal immigrants - Who get almost nothing from your taxes. What few services they do get are mostly at the State level and paid for by the Sales taxes that they pay into. 3 million crack heads - I'm at a loss here; where did this number come from? There are way more drug users than this in the US. And why only crack (oh wait, because it's a black people drug, my bad)? And many drug users are employed. Anyways, what exactly is the dependency here? 42 million unemployable people - Unemployed != unemployable 2 million people in over 243 prisons - You can thank conservative policies that promote locking people up for extremely long periods of time instead of fixing the root causes of crimes for that one. 535 idiots in the U.S. House and Senate - Who you elected, and account for almost nothing of your tax dollars... The number one draw on Federal money is old people, followed by defense. Do they hate grandma and soldiers?  For shame!
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Aug 19, 2011 20:48
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Oubliettes for everyone.
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Aug 19, 2011 20:48
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Sarion posted:12 million illegal immigrants - Who get almost nothing from your taxes. What few services they do get are mostly at the State level and paid for by the Sales taxes that they pay into. The unemployed part is the worst. UI is paid into by employers at actuarily fair rates. At least in my state, your rate is in part determined by how many of your former employees end up filing UI claims, so the employers with high turnover pay more than the ones that haven't let anyone go for years. My state also has the hugest surplus of any UI trust fund, it's in the billions. See here: http://www.propublica.org/special/is-your-states-unemployment-system-in-danger-603 edit: More updated figures: http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=22324 Illinois only has $5,895. 
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Aug 19, 2011 20:59
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Holy crap, I love living in WA. Our trust fund is 3 billion dollars. Good to know!
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apapersack posted:They sent my Census form back! AGAIN!!! In response to the question: "Do you have So why did you post this again? 
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Sock on a Fish posted:edit: More updated figures: http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=22324 Surely that's a typo of some kind? 
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Aug 19, 2011 22:40
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Neptr posted:So why did you post this again? Koch brothers promised me No-Ads if I spread the gospel 
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http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/do-you-have-a-hard-time-making-decisions/ For those who keep hearing about "those damned poors eating candy with their food stamps" this is a really interesting article about decision making and its toll on willpower, and how the main thing to replinish willpower happens to be glucose. Very long, but a really good read.
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Aug 20, 2011 00:49
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Found this while looking for something in past facebook updates. It is ALWAYS worth calling people out, at the very least they might realize a point they had no considered! I'm the waffle/green, OP is red:
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loving spiders. I never trust them.
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Nostrum posted:Found this while looking for something in past facebook updates. It is ALWAYS worth calling people out, at the very least they might realize a point they had no considered! I'm the waffle/green, OP is red: Correct response after his latest post is "No, that's exactly what you're saying. Stop trying to backpedal and actually acknowledge that what you said is reprehensible and subhuman."
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Gus Hobbleton posted:Correct response after his latest post is "No, that's exactly what you're saying. Stop trying to backpedal and actually acknowledge that what you said is reprehensible and subhuman." Not to mention racist as gently caress, since we know exactly what kind of people he's talking about when he says "Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton". Hmm, wonder what those three guys have in common? Oh well, it's two years too late and his current profile picture is him standing with R. Lee Ermey at an NRA convention wearing the most jingoistic jean vest ever made.
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Nostrum posted:since we know exactly what kind of people he's talking about when he says "Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton". Hmm, wonder what those three guys have in common? 
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I like the "Latino insects" part; apparently the author just couldn't repress that anger enough to write "grasshopper" again. The story also once again shows the conservative mindset that we're all just individuals who put up with one another. If only everyone just took care of themselves we would be fine! I just don't understand how they can fail to see how interconnected we all are. I could claim that I make a good salary and benefits because I worked hard and got a Master's in Computer Engineering. Which is partially true, and we can ignore for now the millions of other people my age, both white and brown, who never even had a chance to do with their life what I've done with mine. After all they should have just bootstrapped it harder! Anyways, the only reason I can be paid the salary I am is because of the millions of customers that buy the products I work on. Many of whom are other businesses who use my products to make money by providing goods and services to other Americans, including dirty, poor, lazy, brown ones. Businesses which would not be able to exist if those people couldn't pay for their services, or there weren't enough educated workers, or there wasn't a transportation, power, water, and internet infrastructure that make their business possible. We left self-sufficient farming behind thousands of years ago because it sucked and we were all better off working together. Of course I don't think we've ever been truly self-sufficient. Even as hunter/gatherers we relied on one another. Or maybe it's just thousands of years of socialist propaganda.
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quote:The economy is so bad that I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail. CEO's are now playing miniature golf. Exxon-Mobile laid off 25 Congressmen. Angelina Jolie adopted a child from America. Motel Six won't leave the light on anymore. A picture is now only worth 200 words.They renamed Wall Street " Wal-Mart Street" and, finally, I called the Suicide Hotline. I got a call center in Pakistan and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck. Followed by 12 responses of OH HO HO HO SO FUNNY KNEE SLAPPER .
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Its funny because corporations are making record profits.
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Sock on a Fish posted:The unemployed part is the worst. UI is paid into by employers at actuarily fair rates. At least in my state, your rate is in part determined by how many of your former employees end up filing UI claims, so the employers with high turnover pay more than the ones that haven't let anyone go for years. During this time, he was doing contract work for some Republican political organization, but the money was being paid to his father's LLC so he could be "unemployed" until law school started. It's funny that the closest thing to a "welfare queen" I've ever seen was an extremely privileged and conservative 22-year-old white male who, given the choice, would have eagerly ripped the benefits he abused from those who genuinely need them.
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And I am sure he would justify it by saying that everyone else abuses the system so he is just getting his fair cut since he paid all those taxes.
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Sarion posted:And I am sure he would justify it by saying that everyone else abuses the system so he is just getting his fair cut since he paid all those taxes. 'The only moral welfare is my welfare'.
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chesh posted:Followed by 12 responses of OH HO HO HO SO FUNNY KNEE SLAPPER . Some of those are kinda witty too (though possibly stolen), why they gotta bring the racism at the end?
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Sarion posted:And I am sure he would justify it by saying that everyone else abuses the system so he is just getting his fair cut since he paid all those taxes. When I lost my last job my conservative dad pushed me to get unemployment even tho I was living at home and didn't need it. This is their exact mindset, they think it's wrong, but since it's there they want to "get their monies worth". I didn't get on unemployment.
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I just saw that one about "suicide call center hur hur" on Facebook yesterday, and called one of my friends on it. Don't have time to print/alter the whole thing, but here's how that played out: After my friend (L) posts it as her status, one of her friends posts equivilant of "hur hur how funny." I post back: "Also, racist! Really? L, all Pakistanis are not terrorists. Not even the majority of them." She posts: "Yes, I'm well aware of that. Whoever made it up picked that country for whatever reason they had, but do not accuse me of being racist. It's called a joke. lol [friend who thought it was funny], I saw it on another friends' status and laughed out loud so i wanted to share haha" I post: "Just because you joke about it doesn't mean that it's okay to be racist. Sorry, but I call it as I see it. Just because someone else made it doesn't mean it's right to repeat something racist, either." Her friends then post a bunch of stuff about how I can't take a joke and I'm just a big meanie. She thanks them all and now I look like a Grade A Bitch. Oh well.
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Nostrum posted:Found this while looking for something in past facebook updates. It is ALWAYS worth calling people out, at the very least they might realize a point they had no considered! I'm the waffle/green, OP is red:
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Aug 20, 2011 18:59
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Better to look like a bitch than a racist
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Aug 20, 2011 19:10
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They aren't being racist. They're just making a joke. Based on an untrue stereotype that implies one group of people are worse than another while also subtly blaming the inferior group for the superior groups woes (terrorism and jobs). Why are you such a bitch?
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I'm red: Would it be wrong to just post pictures of the kind of poo poo they're defending?
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Arguing about Israel is the one thing that i've being called an anti semitic over and lost friends. Be very careful how you phrase anything and everything. They may be stupid people but remember that employers can see what you say on FB.
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Tigntink posted:Arguing about Israel is the one thing that i've being called an anti semitic over and lost friends. Be very careful how you phrase anything and everything. They may be stupid people but remember that employers can see what you say on FB. Post pictures of children injured by rocket attacks. If they call you anti-semitic, ask them why they're being anti-arabic.
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Post pictures of children injured by rocket attacks. If they call you anti-semitic, ask them why they're being anti-arabic. This problem with this is they don't see anything wrong with being "anti-arabic."
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Tigntink posted:Arguing about Israel is the one thing that i've being called an anti semitic over and lost friends. Be very careful how you phrase anything and everything. They may be stupid people but remember that employers can see what you say on FB.    Post these every time someone so much as insinuates you are anti-semetic.
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Any real solution is not going to 100% favor Israel. And if you don't 100% favor Israel, you hate Jews. Even if you're trying to save Jewish lives and promote peace in Israel. Of course it doesn't help that conservative Christians view the conflict over Israel as critical to the return of Jesus. So ummm.... hooray needless human suffering!
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You could point out that "We've been attacked/We'll be attacked/etc" has been the excuse used by governments for conquer and imperialism since Alexander and before. You could point that out. It'd be ineffective. But you could. I got into a debate with a fellow far-leftian who is Jewish and she said that whenever anyone attacks Israel (as a state), she feels attacked as a Jew and that it's anti-semetic. I got her to admit that that feeling is completely irrational and entirely emotionally based. I also got her to admit that she needs to separate those feelings. She said she couldn't but that she would try to in the future. But she's also a leftist which means she tends to realize that gut emotion isn't valid rationalization for a political stance. Conservatives have no problem straight up saying "It may be wrong but it's how I feel in my gut so that's what I believe." JerkyBunion fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Aug 20, 2011 |
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Phlag posted:It's funny that the closest thing to a "welfare queen" I've ever seen was an extremely privileged and conservative 22-year-old white male who, given the choice, would have eagerly ripped the benefits he abused from those who genuinely need them. The only person I've ever met who bragged about committing welfare fraud was a rather well to do day trader. So there are welfare queens out there, but in my mind they are exactly the opposite of every racist stereotype.
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The problem is that anti-zionism and anti-semitism are so interlinked nowadays it's hard to get people to recognize the difference. The moment any politician in the US (or anyone really) mentions anything about Israel perhaps being in the wrong they are tarred and feathered as anti-semetic. Tread lightly. It doesn't help people have an extremely poor grasp on history and don't realize that Israel has been slowly creeping up and taking lands away. You don't hear about the King David bombing or anything like that, all you hear is that ISRAEL IS UNDER ATTACK BY A-RABS but never the other side of the story. Palestinians are otherized into terrorists and whatever pathetic attack the resistance puts up is crushed and retaliated against tenfold. Stanos fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 20, 2011 |
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Post pictures of children injured by rocket attacks. If they call you anti-semitic, ask them why they're being anti-arabic. Palestinians are Semites, so you can call the other person anti-semitic as well.
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TerminalSaint posted:Palestinians are Semites, so you can call the other person anti-semitic as well. While a good call, I have a feeling such a statement would go right over most people's head. Its like trying to get idiots to realize that Iranians are Persian rather than Arab.
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