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grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

The real question for me is why they haven't announced a remake of Nocturne for the PSP or Vita.

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THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Baalster posted:

I bet you weren't too big of a fan of 15,000,000 HP secret boss in FFXIII, eh? What a wuss, the true pros can take bullshit trophies like "Do the Land of Carnage without losing any of your units and beating every level 9999 enemy with only a plastic ladel".

But seriously, gently caress JRPG trophies. Trophies work for stuff like adventure, action, fighting games, etc. because they're all set within realistic boundaries that don't make the game a chore, I have not had this experience with any RPG yet.
What made me stop trying in FF13 was when I realized I literally had to grind turtles for about 10 hours and there was nothing else left to do

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

setafd posted:

The real question for me is why they haven't announced a remake of Nocturne for the PSP or Vita.

A remake of Nocturne including both Dante and Raidou, full voice acting, and maybe an extra ending or two would be just amazing. Get to it Atlus!.

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

Technique posted:

For just a brief moment, a tiny hope fluttered in the back of my mind. "Are they finally remaking Persona 1 for next-gen consoles, with full voice acting and all?!"

No. Just more P4 milking. Why, Atlus. :smith:

Huh? I thought Persona 4 hasn't been remade or anything yet. Or are you referring to the upcoming anime as milking?
Conversely, Persona 1 already has been remade pretty recently.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

JRPGs have horrible trophies it'll probably involve having a perfect playthrough, getting every character to 99, getting every persona, beating the grindy secret bosses, beating the game separately on each difficulty and having your play clock max out

Strange Journey had some great ones, though.
The ones for running into walls a lot... or 3 levels of trophies from falling into pit traps..

Cheap Diner Coffee
Aug 7, 2010

Philistine.
So I assume that the female protagonist will have the option to date Kanji.

Gonna get some drama.

In slightly less unnecessary statements, as much as I love Persona 4, I'm probably going to wait for price drops on both the Vita and the game, and for the Vita to have a good deal of games that I'd want. I realized that replaying 90 hour games might not be my thing (after getting P3P and stopping after like 10 or 15 hours).

(Also, I'll add this to news).

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
Eh, P4 getting ported doesn't really interest me. I just didn't like the game very much. Why haven't they made a P5 yet?

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

They're making P5 now. It's just a hell of a lot easier to take a finished game, add some stuff, polish the graphics, and get it out as a launch game for something than it is to make an entirely new game.

Catalina
May 20, 2008



Ibram Gaunt posted:

A remake of Nocturne including both Dante and Raidou, full voice acting, and maybe an extra ending or two would be just amazing. Get to it Atlus!.

You know, I haven't really played Nocturne past the first hour or so, and I want this, badly. drat you.

Cheap Diner Coffee posted:

So I assume that the female protagonist will have the option to date Kanji.

Gonna get some drama.

Yeah, I'm curious how they'd handle romance options for a female protagonist. But then again, I had my serious doubts about how well the P3 male party members would work, and they managed to do all of them very well in P3P.

The real hilarious drama would be if there were romantic possibilities with (SERIOUSLY SPOILERS FOR PERSONA 4 DON'T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED IT)
Namatame.
Ha ha, just kidding, really I mean Adachi.


Personally, I think it would be cool to have a relationship option for the female protagonist with Naoto and an option for the male protagonist with Kanji. I know I'm not alone in that sentiment...

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole

Policenaut posted:

They're making P5 now. It's just a hell of a lot easier to take a finished game, add some stuff, polish the graphics, and get it out as a launch game for something than it is to make an entirely new game.

We haven't heard anything about P5 in years and never knew a single thing about it. I can't imagine that's a good sign.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Well you gotta remember, they have a lot more work to do than they did with p3 and p4 (since besides some additions, the majority of demon models were just ripped from Nocturne and DDS). They gotta do ALL of that from scratch in HD for P5.

Agnostic watermelon
Jul 1, 2009

I'm a lil' Brony!
Oh god, a souped up nocturne remake would be the best thing ever.


(It's kinda weird nocturne hasn't really had a remake (excluding maniac and the devil summoner 2 thing) considering it's the best non-spinoff SMT game.




[e] I found a bug in devil survivor. Makara with two stars don't have a title (like "stupid maltora")



[e2] When does the new demons come into play? I haven't seen any so far.

Agnostic watermelon fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Aug 25, 2011

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008
I will only accept a Nocturne remake if it has even more music. :colbert:

Seriously, Meguro REALLY needs to go back to that style someday.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Technique posted:

I will only accept a Nocturne remake if it has even more music. :colbert:

Seriously, Meguro REALLY needs to go back to that style someday.
You can see that style in a couple of Persona songs.

Also for a P4P, the wonkiest possibility I can imagine is a Teddie romance. I have no idea why but even just the idea blows my mind.

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008

Endorph posted:

You can see that style in a couple of Persona songs.

Also for a P4P, the wonkiest possibility I can imagine is a Teddie romance. I have no idea why but even just the idea blows my mind.

I mean including the vocals. Definitely the best use of voice synthesis ever.

Also, a Teddie romance would just open the door for even MORE bear puns. :ohdear:

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Technique posted:

I mean including the vocals. Definitely the best use of voice synthesis ever.

Also, a Teddie romance would just open the door for even MORE bear puns. :ohdear:

It blew my mind to find out that those "demonic howls" in the Nocturne music were actually in English. I thought they were just gibberish, or at least in a language I couldn't understand, but some of the Youtube videos of Nocturne music had English lyrics posted with them, and, actually listening to the songs with them in mind they became a lot more decipherable.

Role Play McMurphy
Jul 15, 2010
I wish they'd just hurry up and put this series on the PS3 because I don't do any portable gaming and I'm not gonna play anything without trophies.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


Role Play McMurphy posted:

I wish they'd just hurry up and put this series on the PS3 because I don't do any portable gaming and I'm not gonna play anything without trophies.
Pretty sure Vita games are going to have trophies, so just give in and get it like all the cool kids. :smug:

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Well you gotta remember, they have a lot more work to do than they did with p3 and p4 (since besides some additions, the majority of demon models were just ripped from Nocturne and DDS). They gotta do ALL of that from scratch in HD for P5.

Yeah, but if it takes so much effort, what have they been doing the past two years? They should surely have something to show for the work they've supposedly been doing, but we've gotten absolutely nothing.

Meowjesty
Oct 23, 2009

Friends depend on each other.

Endorph posted:

Also for a P4P, the wonkiest possibility I can imagine is a Teddie romance. I have no idea why but even just the idea blows my mind.
I say a Kanji romance would be the worst thing and completely miss the point of his character to begin with.

Also a Teddie romance would be the creepiest thing. I'd hope he'd respect a female PC as much as he did the male one. ...On the other hand, bear puns. Bear puns forever.

Momomo posted:

Yeah, but if it takes so much effort, what have they been doing the past two years? They should surely have something to show for the work they've supposedly been doing, but we've gotten absolutely nothing.

They were working on Catherine. :eng101:

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

A Teddie romance wouldn't even work, his link levels up through the plot.

Since you can S.Link with everyone in your team anyway, romance-wise they'd probably just take away the female romance options and add some for the males. There are already Just Friends options for the women so it wouldn't even be much work to cut those out.

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

Spiffo posted:

A Teddie romance wouldn't even work, his link levels up through the plot.

Since you can S.Link with everyone in your team anyway, romance-wise they'd probably just take away the female romance options and add some for the males. There are already Just Friends options for the women so it wouldn't even be much work to cut those out.

There'd need to be some editing at least, as even if you do the just friends routes, I think all the women noticably crush on you before you get to the choice point.

Catalina
May 20, 2008



Endorph posted:

You can see that style in a couple of Persona songs.

Also for a P4P, the wonkiest possibility I can imagine is a Teddie romance. I have no idea why but even just the idea blows my mind.

Yeah, I really freaking love Teddie both as a Persona 4 character and a character in general. (So much that when someone earlier in this thread posted that some of the delivery of all his lines in the English version might not all have been perfect, I immediately had a mental image of me pommeling them with all of my Persona 4 merchandise.) The idea of a Teddie romance has always blown my mind, too. Part of the fun of his character is that he wants girls desperately, despite not really understanding completely what's going on. So if he actually was able to Score With A Girl, specifically a Player character that *I'm* playing, that's just...:raise:

However, I think you guys are right in that the potential bear puns will make everything okay.


VVVVVVVVVVVVVV
Welp, that's it. Thread's over for me, the highest point of P4P speculation has been reached.

Catalina fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Aug 25, 2011

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

You and Teddie spent a beary long time together.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?
I'm not much of a manga reader, but I've recently found the Persona 4 manga, and I've been actually enjoying it. The art and story is pretty faithful to the game, and there are some pretty good moments.

Policenaut posted:

You and Teddie spent a beary long time together.

Okay, now I kind of want to see this.

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

Teddie: Can... Can I wear the suit?

> Yes, please wear it
> No, keep it off
> what

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
Teddy's Social Link is already plot dependent, having a romance option would completely change it. Might as well just not bother.

Schlegel Mach posted:

They were working on Catherine. :eng101:

Which means they haven't been working on P5, even after it was apparently said to exist. Gives me VS XIII vibes.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Policenaut posted:

You and Teddie spent a beary long time together.

This is all I need to see to be convinced a Teddie romance is a good idea.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Momomo posted:

Which means they haven't been working on P5, even after it was apparently said to exist. Gives me VS XIII vibes.

The difference between P5 and Versus 13 is that Versus 13 actually exists. We've seen it, Square-Enix acknowledges it exists, we even have gameplay footage of it now. The only reason we don't actually know much about it is because Tetsuya Nomura has turned into a scared auteur and is afraid to demonstrate it until he thinks its perfect.

Krad
Feb 4, 2008

Touche
All I want from a P4P is a different murderer for the girl scenario, just to keep it fresh. There's not much point to the story if the same things will happen again... although I did enjoy P3P's female side story anyway.

Catalina
May 20, 2008



Momomo posted:

Teddy's Social Link is already plot dependent, having a romance option would completely change it. Might as well just not bother.


Which means they haven't been working on P5, even after it was apparently said to exist. Gives me VS XIII vibes.

They could do it like the Moon link for the female side of P3P, and have it as an event after the actual social link is maxed. And/or take notes from the P3P female Fortune link, which managed to have romantic options despite time restrictions in the plot.

I believe P5 has never officially been announced, the title just kind of leaks out from time to time when someone accidentally puts the name on a blog post of projects they're working on, or something.

see you tomorrow
Jun 27, 2009

Momomo posted:

Which means they haven't been working on P5, even after it was apparently said to exist. Gives me VS XIII vibes.

Working on Catherine was working on P5. It was a way to establish their technology and figure things out with a less serious project before starting on the real deal. It also gave them a break from the series which was almost certainly for the best.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?
Wait, so are we sure this site thing is for P4P, and not for the anime or something?

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

PunkBoy posted:

Wait, so are we sure this site thing is for P4P, and not for the anime or something?

The anime has a website already, people are just extrapolating this to be P4P because of the site aesthetic, the closeness of Tokyo Game Show, and Famitsu's "major Vita announcements" leading up to it. It certainly wouldn't be surprising as every other Persona except Eternal Punishment is portable.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


About TGS: I don't see Atlus or Index Holdings on the website for it. They are going to be there, right? It'd be really nice to get some news of any new games they've got going on, and now I'm worried.

The Unholy Ghost
Feb 19, 2011
I always kinda assumed Teddy was Bi, considering the way he acts toward the main character, and his kissing scene with Kanji.

Edit: Ugh, sorry

The Unholy Ghost fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 26, 2011

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Ugh, does anyone have any tips for the last boss in Devil Survivor?
I don't remember having trouble with him back on the original version but I have no idea what I did either. I manage to get phase 1 burned through but it leaves me hurting really badly, and then the second form rears its head and can basically one shot me (even with resist phys). Any noteworthy demons I should fuse or should I just grind the free battle until I vastly overlevel it. My team leaders are all late 40s early 50s, with the exception of the MC whos 56. Drain and holy dance spam with 40mag aint helping me too much :\

Ayana
Jun 29, 2010

Hee-Ho!

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Ugh, does anyone have any tips for the last boss in Devil Survivor?
I don't remember having trouble with him back on the original version but I have no idea what I did either. I manage to get phase 1 burned through but it leaves me hurting really badly, and then the second form rears its head and can basically one shot me (even with resist phys). Any noteworthy demons I should fuse or should I just grind the free battle until I vastly overlevel it. My team leaders are all late 40s early 50s, with the exception of the MC whos 56. Drain and holy dance spam with 40mag aint helping me too much :\

If I remember right, the final boss has a dick move. It's actually resistant to Almighty. I just barely squeaked by on my first time in the original using that exact strategy plus a lot of luck and a few more levels (I was at least in the 60's, I think.)

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

tooooooo bad posted:

Working on Catherine was working on P5. It was a way to establish their technology and figure things out with a less serious project before starting on the real deal. It also gave them a break from the series which was almost certainly for the best.

This is a great thing, too. Honestly I didn't really dig Catherine and couldn't even finish it (puzzles dragged on and on and I burned out), the game looks GREAT and I'd love to see them use similar visual tech in a new Persona.

Just as long as they do something about the volume discrepancies, ai yai yai

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UselessLurker
Apr 28, 2008

Policenaut posted:

The difference between P5 and Versus 13 is that Versus 13 actually exists. We've seen it, Square-Enix acknowledges it exists, we even have gameplay footage of it now. The only reason we don't actually know much about it is because Tetsuya Nomura has turned into a scared auteur and is afraid to demonstrate it until he thinks its perfect.

Didn't V13 actually not exist for a while, strictly speaking? It was originally supposed to be a cell phone game until they scrapped that idea.

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