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BrewingTea
Jun 2, 2004

So, basically, "Archer"?

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Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

In the Bond books you often see him in his office, but usually not for long and usually not for any important plot points. For that matter, Bond's house and matronly housekeeper are also only ever featured in the books.

KasioDiscoRock
Nov 17, 2000

Are you alive?
Just to weigh in on the ADR chat, it happens a LOT more than I ever expected. I'm a sound editor and I actually spent the last 2 years doing ADR for a mid-budget tween live-action series. My only job was fixing all the dialogue, which included prepping and recording the ADR. And I can tell you, in a 22 minute show we averaged about 75-100 lines of ADR which included re-recording poor/mumbled production audio, voice-over recording, and occasionally lines that got added after the fact. Also a lot of "noises" such as grunting during fights and various "efforts".

Yes it's often obvious, but it really depends on the ability of the actor more than anything else. It's not an easy thing to do; this is the first time they've ever seen the footage at all, it's weeks if not months after they originally played that character, they're standing in a tiny room by themselves and they also have to match the lipsync perfectly while still getting the right emotion into the performance. Not to mention how difficult it is to match the perspective of the microphone and trying to make that one tiny room sound the same as an infinite number of other locations.

Of course sometime when the lipsync doesn't match it's not even actually ADR, it's production audio from a different take that matches the perspective better, or where the actor spoke more clearly. That's always the ideal and it's why it would take me a full 6 days start to finish to do the dialogue track for a single episode. I'd guess that for every line I marked down for ADR there was about 4 others that I was able to fix just by subbing in a different take.

If you're really curious about your ability to tell, here's a couple clips you can try to figure out which ones are ADR'd or not (besides the obvious one listed on-screen). Of course I find whenever I watch youtube that there seems to be sync issues anyway, so it's not exactly a perfect system, but what the hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp85gXR9fro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoE5EkXBcus

deetron69
Jan 18, 2005

morestuff posted:

This is a consistent problem with the franchise. Have Barbara Broccoli call me when the movies are slower-paced and give painstaking background on everything James Bond does.

One of the things I liked best about Casino Royale is that it was the fist movie in the series in a really long time that was more a spy movie that starred James Bond, rather than being a James Bond Movie. It really would be good to slow things down a bit, and actually make things suspenseful instead of just action, action, action. Take some of the best best Bond movies, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, and their junior partner, Dr. No. They would seem funereal in pace compared to many of the newer movies, but they were often genuinely suspenseful and were much less one-note than later efforts. Personally I've got really high hopes for Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, and I am really skeptical of the next Bond movie to top it. I loathed Quantum of Solace.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Bond is never going to "top" Tinker, Tailor in that sense. Movie Bond is an action hero. He has more in common with Indiana Jones than Smiley. Hell, even Batman as the world's greatest detective doesn't do much detectiving in the movies.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!

KasioDiscoRock posted:

If you're really curious about your ability to tell, here's a couple clips you can try to figure out which ones are ADR'd or not (besides the obvious one listed on-screen). Of course I find whenever I watch youtube that there seems to be sync issues anyway, so it's not exactly a perfect system, but what the hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp85gXR9fro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoE5EkXBcus

Yeah, that first one is pretty obvious ADR. The second feels natural, but if this is a trick and it's also ADR, it's a good job.

Also, thanks for the insider post. I've always wondered just how much grueling work goes into this stuff.

KasioDiscoRock
Nov 17, 2000

Are you alive?

Origami Dali posted:

Yeah, that first one is pretty obvious ADR. The second feels natural, but if this is a trick and it's also ADR, it's a good job.

Also, thanks for the insider post. I've always wondered just how much grueling work goes into this stuff.

You weren't specific so I'm not sure who you think is obvious ADR but the entire scene is ADR.

As for the second clip, every single line of the girl's is ADR. She was always really good at it

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
In Jurassic Park, what "mistake" did Dennis Nedry make to get himself in financial troubles?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

In Jurassic Park, what "mistake" did Dennis Nedry make to get himself in financial troubles?

They never mention it in either the book or movie, but it could be anything from an out-of-control gambling habit to medical bills he's responsible for after getting hosed by Hammond's insurance to trying to raise money for a sex change.

The idea is simply that he needs money (bad) and has already tried to get it out of Hammond who is sick of hearing about it.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Since Hammond is on him about it so much don't you think he must have broke something in the park?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Since Hammond is on him about it so much don't you think he must have broke something in the park?

It's possible, but he seems less to be bugging Nedry about it and more "Yeah, I get it, you need money. gently caress off, please."

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
His line to Nedry was "I don't blame people for their mistakes...but I do ask that they pay for them." Which I guess could still mean anything.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

His line to Nedry was "I don't blame people for their mistakes...but I do ask that they pay for them." Which I guess could still mean anything.

That's true, and a good point, but there's also a line about "your problems, not mine." I took it all to be very dismissive, but they left it open to interpretation.

Bobfromsales
Apr 2, 2010
I never assumed those two lines had anything to do with each other. They both point to what a gently caress up Nedry is and to further cement that he's clearly only there because he's the only one that knows how half the park's systems work.

Big Meat Eater 2003
Oct 2, 2009

by I Ozma Myself
I just saw the movie Moon, and I was wondering if my copy cut off the end part. It ended rather abruptly with one of the clones flying into the earth atmosphere and you could hear radio chatter and someone saying something about 'hes a maniac or an illegal immigratn Thanks

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Nope, that's it.

Stop pirating films

Big Meat Eater 2003
Oct 2, 2009

by I Ozma Myself

Cerv posted:

Nope, that's it.

Stop pirating films

I cant believe how awesome the movie was. Maybe the first movie I watched twice in a row.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
I actually really hated that ending, and I assume that was included based on studio pressure for some kind of resolution. It's better left ambiguous.

And I have no idea if this merits a spoiler tag, but better safe than sorry!

Akuma
Sep 11, 2001


The director (what's his face, Zowie Bowie) has said he plans on having some sort of final resolution to the plight of the clones as a very small part (not much more than a cameo/aside) in his next film (or, whenever he does his Bladerunner-esque thing - he did Source Code after saying this.)

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Akuma posted:

The director (what's his face, Zowie Bowie) has said he plans on having some sort of final resolution to the plight of the clones as a very small part (not much more than a cameo/aside) in his next film (or, whenever he does his Bladerunner-esque thing - he did Source Code after saying this.)

They get into a fight with Major Tom

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

bobkatt013 posted:

They get into a fight with Major Tom

Hell no, if we're going with a film about a dystopian future, I demand my loving Ziggy Stardust!

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

Sobatchja Morda posted:

Hell no, if we're going with a film about a dystopian future, I demand my loving Ziggy Stardust!

I've been saying for a while now, Duncan Jones should really film a $100 million sci-fi Ziggy Stardust rock musical film produced by Bowie.

e: Ideally with Tilda Swinton as Ziggy.

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Aug 28, 2011

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
Why did movies look so muddy in the 70's? We had high contrast color movies in the decades before, but then for some reason a lot of 70's movies just look blurry.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Budgets and style. Suddenly everything was about nature and nostalgia, or gritty reality. There was also a trend towards youthful directors who were breakin' da rulez, so everyone was imitating the vérité style in various ways. Soft focus became ridiculously popular so like half the films that came out between 1970 and 1979 were shot with women's underwear draped over the lens. The 20s were in, rustic country living was in, grassroots movements were in, it was just a big recipe for disaster. I'm sure there are other reasons too but those are the ones I've observed.

Barometer
Sep 23, 2007

You travelled a long way for
"I don't know", sonny.
:whip: :cthulhu: :shivdurf:

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Soft focus became ridiculously popular so like half the films that came out between 1970 and 1979 were shot with women's underwear draped over the lens.

This gives new meaning to the term "Panty shot". What other crazy poo poo do people get up to with lenses? Aside from the obvious "smear Vaseline" trick?

Fayez Butts
Aug 24, 2006

Well it was a bit of a joke I think. And speaking of what I think, I doubt they actually smeared vaseline on the lenses, right? Everything was just filters and low f-stops, right?

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
It wasn't (or shouldn't have been) directly on the lens but Vaseline and similar products were certainly used on filters, and I'm sure actual pantyhose were used at some point but yes, lots of stupid hazy nostalgia filters and low f-stops (or really grainy film).

Criminal Minded
Jan 4, 2005

Spring break forever
There's also the trick of pre-exposing film to dull the colors.

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.
OK, so the wife and I just watched the original TRON last night.


What?


I just want to make sure that I didn't miss anything, and that all problems were caused by the writing, and not my lack of perception. (The incorrect terminology from 1982 didn't help either).

Flynn was a programmer/game designer that worked for the EVIL company (and what the gently caress did they do? Business software? Games? Military laser work?) and designed three fantastically popular games. The games were stolen from him by the sleazeoid 80's guy, who took credit and subsequently fired Flynn.

Meanwhile in plot B, supercomputer Master Control, a former chess program, has been absorbing various smaller programs into its systems and growing more powerful. It communicates with sleazy 80's guy, and together they run the business. Evilly.

Flynn, his ex-girlfriend and his frenemy have all designed various programs which will infiltrate Master Control, hunting for incriminating evidence. Flynn, being equal parts programmer, hacker and whiz kid, sneaks into the building and uses the only unmanned terminal with a laser pointing at it to try and retrieve a file. He is then shot into the mainframe, where he discovers an amazing world inside the computer.

In there, we find that all the programs look like their programmers, and that they fight to the death for the entertainment of Saark and Master Control. Flynn escapes the battle arena with TRON, the program created by his frenemy. Together, they sneak across the digital landscape, using the superpowers given to Flynn because he is a user (or really, would any human probably have the same success?) and have a showdown with Master Control. The movie ends with Master Control being defeated, (taken offline?) Flynn returned to the real world, and a printout from a dot matrix printer, 3 lines long that somehow prove that evil guy stole the games from Flynn.

Flynn becomes a yuppie and the CEO of the company, and engages in the steepest ascent of a helicopter I may have seen in a movie. Everyone lives happily ever after.

Did I miss anything?

Role Play McMurphy
Jul 15, 2010
What, did someone tell you that TRON was a good movie or something? I mean, TRON is awesome, but it's not really a good movie. Which is why Legacy was such a faithful sequel.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

1970s films may look muddy because film elements produced at the time are being used for video transfers. There's a tendency for them to look vastly better when original negatives or newly made 35mm positives are made for transfer.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Barometer posted:

This gives new meaning to the term "Panty shot". What other crazy poo poo do people get up to with lenses? Aside from the obvious "smear Vaseline" trick?
Well in the heyday of glamour stars many talents would pick which cinematographer made them look the prettiest. One trick for wrinkle reduction was to put a sheet of gauze over the camera lens and cut out two holes for the actor's eyes for the all important close up.

Or to touch briefly on lens effects; long lenses will flatten the sense of perspective, cleverly used in Kurosawa's "Throne of Blood".

To reduce the risk of shooting the actor with real arrows a long lens was used to make everything appear closer.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
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Soiled Meat
Speaking of Kurosawa, would anyone be interested in a "movie genealogy" thread? I'm always fascinated to find out where movies copied aspects of their story and where they got inspiration for some of their iconic images.

One of the goals of such a thread would to be to find films as temporally close together as possible so that everyone won't just point to Kurosawa and skip over several movies in between...

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Aug 30, 2011

ogopogo
Jul 16, 2006
Remember: no matter where you go, there you are.

Magic Hate Ball posted:

It wasn't (or shouldn't have been) directly on the lens but Vaseline and similar products were certainly used on filters, and I'm sure actual pantyhose were used at some point but yes, lots of stupid hazy nostalgia filters and low f-stops (or really grainy film).

Surprise, but pantyhose are still used today. As I was told by an ASC cinematographer once, "Black Dior pantyhose are the best for using when lighting a beautiful woman."

He was a bit old school, but yeah, some DPs use netting over a filter to diffuse the image.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

ogopogo posted:

Surprise, but pantyhose are still used today. As I was told by an ASC cinematographer once, "Black Dior pantyhose are the best for using when lighting a beautiful woman."

He was a bit old school, but yeah, some DPs use netting over a filter to diffuse the image.

It was used in the two recent episodes of Fringe that were set in flashacks to 1985, party to create a hazy nostalgic feeling and partly to let John Noble play his regular character 25 years younger.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
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Soiled Meat
Before King's Speech, were there other films where they had two concurrent versions of the same film playing, with different MPAA ratings?

SaintFu
Aug 27, 2006

Where's your god now?

Steve Yun posted:

Before King's Speech, were there other films where they had two concurrent versions of the same film playing, with different MPAA ratings?

Saturday Night Fever had both an R and a PG release, and I'm almost certain that they overlapped, since theater runs were much, much longer in those days.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
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Soiled Meat
Wow, different times...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saturday_night_fever_pg_version_movie_poster.jpg

Schweinhund
Oct 23, 2004

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Wasn't there an alternate version of Passion of the Christ out with less gore? Not sure if it was rated differently though or at the same time.

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Toebone
Jul 1, 2002

Start remembering what you hear.

Schweinhund posted:

Wasn't there an alternate version of Passion of the Christ out with less gore? Not sure if it was rated differently though or at the same time.

It got a re-release a few months after its initial run with some of the gore edited out, but the MPAA still wanted to give it an R rating so Gibson released it unrated. I don't think the releases overlapped.

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