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Jakabite posted:We don't all agree it sucked rear end, a number of us quite enjoyed it actually. You quite enjoyed it did you?
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Yes I did rather. It had its flaws, but it was a pretty good read.
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Aug 29, 2011 10:27
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I really liked it
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Aug 29, 2011 11:11
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Fog Tripper posted:I kind of agree with you. That said, I wonder if over the past decade he saw all of us sperging about R+L=J and such and chooses to take them in a different direction just to gently caress with us. The little details that lead to conspiracies are great fun, as long as he doesn't yank the carpet from under them. Regarding R + L = J, I do know what it means, but I did use to wonder what the J was supposed to mean in the Renly + Loras equation. Obscure gay slang for something? 
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Aug 29, 2011 12:09
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Wait the R+L stands for Renly and Loras? I thought it was Rhaegar + Lyanna.
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Aug 29, 2011 12:38
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Oh god if it turned out Jon was the time traveling son of Renly and Loras I would buy these books forever and ever. gently caress the Song of Ice and Fire, you could start calling him the Rainbow Connection.
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Aug 29, 2011 13:37
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Umph posted:You quite enjoyed it did you?
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Aug 29, 2011 14:10
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I liked the part where the got ready for the huge battle and then you got to read about the battle later when Ramsey Bolton passed notes to Jon Snow in fifth period rape class. The best thing Robert Jordan ever did was introduce a method of super fast fantasy traveling so you don't have to read about people traveling cross country for 9/10th's of the loving book.
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Aug 29, 2011 14:20
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CyberLord XP posted:The best thing Robert Jordan ever did was introduce a method of super fast fantasy traveling so you don't have to read about people traveling cross country for 9/10th's of the loving book.
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Aug 29, 2011 14:26
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CyberLord XP posted:I liked the part where the got ready for the huge battle and then you got to read about the battle later when Ramsey Bolton passed notes to Jon Snow in fifth period rape class. But dude, think of the suspense and mystery!
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Aug 29, 2011 14:52
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Quantify! posted:Me and mine thought it was good and better. I enjoyed it much and more!
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Aug 29, 2011 15:55
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Wow guys, piling on a guy for a turn of phrase. And this is the good thread? gently caress... If you get over your hangups about your Tyrion-dragging-riding-blue-balls not being satisfied and just read the book for what it is, it's actually pretty good. But I mean if you're going into it saying "if it doesn't have exactly the plot elements I want I'm not going to like it" well shucks guys.
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Aug 29, 2011 16:24
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Jakabite posted:We don't all agree it sucked rear end, a number of us quite enjoyed it actually. Yeah. Also, maybe if people hadn't spent six years bitching about the wait in a series of threads it might not have seemed as bad.
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Aug 29, 2011 16:25
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Yeah, I do think the wait was a significant factor in enjoyment. But I like that, because people who spent so much time bitching and moaning on the Internet have basically destroyed their own potential for enjoyment of the thing they were bitching and moaning to see. Its poetic justice, self-inflicted revenge against all Wild Cards. HA!
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Aug 29, 2011 16:28
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When some dudes wanted Jon to seal all passages in the Wall to keep the others (or maybe at that point it was also still the wildlings) out and he was like "NO WE HAVE TO RANGE  " I was all like why dont you bitches just build some bigger versions of that basket pulling elevator!?
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Aug 29, 2011 17:47
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niethan posted:When some dudes wanted Jon to seal all passages in the Wall to keep the others (or maybe at that point it was also still the wildlings) out and he was like "NO WE HAVE TO RANGE What difference would that make? And it seems like their resources are pretty slim right now to be building industrial-strength 700 foot tall elevators... I did think it odd that the main gate at Castle Black seemed fairly weak.
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Aug 29, 2011 18:02
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niethan posted:When some dudes wanted Jon to seal all passages in the Wall to keep the others (or maybe at that point it was also still the wildlings) out and he was like "NO WE HAVE TO RANGE Because it wasn't in the script.
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Aug 29, 2011 18:03
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Habibi posted:What difference would that make? And it seems like their resources are pretty slim right now to be building industrial-strength 700 foot tall elevators...
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Aug 29, 2011 18:08
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niethan posted:Well it would make the difference that it would eliminate the passages which are a weak point and that's why some of the brothers wanted to seal them up. And if they had no problem rebuilding a 700 foot tall stairway, there's enough wood and manpower around to build a bigass winch. No I mean what difference would it make to build a larger lift? Basically, the way you phrased it, I got the impression that building a larger lift would somehow mitigate the disadvantages of sealing the entrances. So what I'm wondering if how that larger lift would help? In general, I don't like the idea of sealing the gates because, who knows? You'll probably need to get out eventually, and sealing the gates just means the incoming hordes are going to start working on another way to get past/around you.
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Aug 29, 2011 18:39
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Habibi posted:No I mean what difference would it make to build a larger lift? Basically, the way you phrased it, I got the impression that building a larger lift would somehow mitigate the disadvantages of sealing the entrances. So what I'm wondering if how that larger lift would help? In general, I don't like the idea of sealing the gates because, who knows? You'll probably need to get out eventually, and sealing the gates just means the incoming hordes are going to start working on another way to get past/around you. Build a lift on both sides?
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Aug 29, 2011 18:53
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Finished all 5 in two months, just stopping by to say I can't wait to see Jaime kill Cersei. Peace.
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Aug 29, 2011 19:24
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CyberLord XP posted:Build a lift on both sides? Doesn't that seem a bit...convenient for the invaders?
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Aug 29, 2011 19:39
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Yeah build lifts on both sides so big they can carry a horse so the rangers can come and go and if invaders come the master strategy would be "not lifting the invaders"
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Aug 29, 2011 19:44
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niethan posted:Yeah build lifts on both sides so big they can carry a horse so the rangers can come and go and if invaders come the master strategy would be "not lifting the invaders" I thought the
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Aug 29, 2011 19:47
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Hedrigall posted:I really liked it Same here. I thought it was better than AGOT and ACOK, on the same level as AFFC, and of course weaker than ASOS.
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Aug 29, 2011 19:55
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Hedrigall posted:I really liked it I also enjoyed it quite a bit, even though it was my least favorite of the series so far.
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Aug 29, 2011 20:18
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Azure_Horizon posted:Same here. I thought it was better than AGOT and ACOK, on the same level as AFFC, and of course weaker than ASOS. It was not a bad book - it was only a bad book in the context of waiting for poo poo to happen for 10+ years. I'm with those who would put DWD around the same level as ACOK, a bit better than AGOT, worse than ASOS, around the same level as AFFC (less hair-tearing Brienne scenes, more hair-tearing Daenerys scenes).
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Aug 29, 2011 20:18
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Mr.Brinks posted:But dude, think of the suspense and mystery! ...for four to five years  To the guy asking about R+L, yes, it stands for Rhaegar + Lyanna. The poster before you was describing his initial confusion in regards to it. Also not sure why anyone wants Tyrion to be a dragon rider, that would be ridiculously stupid.
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Aug 29, 2011 21:06
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Ross posted:Also not sure why anyone wants Tyrion to be a dragon rider, that would be ridiculously stupid. Similarly Jaime will get a full pardon and serve in Dany's Queensguard. In my dreams...
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Aug 29, 2011 21:10
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Habibi posted:I thought the With a long enough chain or rope you could still have the animal strength on the 'safe' side of the wall. Pulleys are wonderful things.
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Aug 29, 2011 21:11
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Whitecloak posted:With a long enough chain or rope you could still have the animal strength on the 'safe' side of the wall. Pulleys are wonderful things. Good luck building a 1400+ foot chain. I dunno some stuff is impractical and some stuff just can't happen because the plot has to go a certain way.
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Aug 29, 2011 21:13
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Quantify! posted:This is great until one dick wildling shoots a fire arrow at the rope. Why would the lifts be active during a wildling siege?
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Aug 29, 2011 21:28
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Quantify! posted:Good luck building a 1400+ foot chain. We need another book about building a really long chain.
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Aug 29, 2011 21:32
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Whitecloak posted:With a long enough chain or rope you could still have the animal strength on the 'safe' side of the wall. Pulleys are wonderful things. Again, though, just seems like that would require a whole shitload of resources. Plus, there's something to be said for having a gate you can ride through and close behind you. Can you imagine a group of rangers on horseback running for the Wall with a large group of enemies behind them? "Hey guys we made it - now just to get into this open lift, signal them to start it up, and assuming no one behind has any arrows or large rocks, we'll be home free in an hour or so!"
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Aug 29, 2011 21:36
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Winch or no winch, I think Pomegranate Head and Co. are going to seal the door, and it will somehow come back to bite them in the rear end.
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oogyboogs posted:and it will somehow come back to bite them in the rear end.
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Aug 29, 2011 22:10
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Illinois Smith posted:We're gonna need a bigger winch! Well we have this Brien- oh you said wInch!
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Aug 29, 2011 23:12
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R(enly) + L(oras) = J(on Connington) There. The perfect formula for ASoIaF homosexuals not including Whoresbane, Blackfish, and whoever else might be of the fabulous persuasion. Never mind the age differences.
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Aug 29, 2011 23:25
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Jakabite posted:Yes I did rather. It had its flaws, but it was a pretty good read. I liked it too. If GRRM and his editors hadn't chopped the two final sequences, I think I'd put it as the 2nd best in the series. Book would have kicked rear end if the ending had included the battle of Winterfell and Mereen burning to the ground. The way it is, it's probably 2nd worst after AFFC, but whatever, still pretty good.
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Yeah, aside from the wait, Dance's only major weakness is its lovely cliffhanger ending, especially because the cliffhangers are pretty predictable, so the ending feels incomplete instead of feeling like a point of dramatic tension.
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