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Scionix posted:I just wanted to know if anyone in the thread owns a mionix naos 5000? I bought one a while back and it is bar none the best mouse I've ever owned. If you can shell out 80 bux I would recommend it.
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Copper Vein posted:So, basically, G500 is the better mouse but you don't use it because it has the shittier SetPoint instead of LGS?  I play quite a lot, but never really used the software. Do you really use it that much as to justify using objectively inferior mouse just because of it?
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Aug 29, 2011 22:45
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Copper Vein posted:I've looked at them online and thought about trying one. Can you give some details on why you like it so much? I encourage you to be verbose. A.) If you're right handed, it's so, so comfortable hold. You'll feel awkward with the big 'ole finger rest on the right at first, but then you won't want to use any other mouse ever again. B. The surface is really, really nice. It's rubbery black, not a plastic, so the whole mouse feels really solid under your hand and it's way nicer to feel in general. Also, I don't know if anyone has this problem but me, but I have really sweaty hands and after awhile with plastic mice gunk tends to get on the surface from my sweaty hands, and you have to clean it. Not so with this surface. C.) You can weigh the mouse. Some people don't care but I like my mouse to be a brick, so it's way on the heavy side with the weights in. D.) The scroll wheel owns and is also covered in rubber. The clicking action is really good. The thumb buttons are big and even with my tiny man baby hands I can hit both easily. Not to mention the mouse is big enough with the finger rest if you have huge hands you'll be just as comfortable with it. E.) On the fly dpi, etc. You can turn the lights off (or make them bright pink, if that's your thing). Software is really tight and game profiles save to the hardware in case you find yourself without it. No unavoidable acceleration, angle snapping, etc, as well as macro possibilities and anything else you can think of. F.) I love the way it looks, and the cable is really nice. Mionix branded stuff is sturdy, unassuming, and comfy. (albeit expensive) 
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Aug 29, 2011 22:55
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lordfrikk posted:So, basically, G500 is the better mouse but you don't use it because it has the shittier SetPoint instead of LGS? I'm trying to wean myself off of mouse binding, actually, so that I can instantly switch between a Logitech, Razer, Steelseries, Zowie, etc without setting anything up except for DPI. I'm still searching for my perfect mouse. I disliked the G500 the first time I grasped it. I don't like the texture, the button sizing or placement, or that wheel. I'd steer anyone away from it that cared to listen, but that wouldn't be being objective. Asking me to justify a G400 is kind of a confrontational way of putting it. Where software customization is a concern, LGS is top shelf, and for the next month or so, the G400 is the only game in town. Now if we're going to be subjective, and only talk about how a mouse feels when in use, out of my growing stable of $50 mice, the Zowie smokes the lot. My favorite shape, slickest and smoothest glide, firm clicking, and a monster truck mouse wheel are all unfortunately coupled to a mouse with no software or drivers at all, leaving me SOL when I'm wanting a 6th command on my mouse. And while I'm putting up text blocks of mouse minutiae: Goo: LGS mouse support could use onscreen DPI switching using the wheel and the ability to set specific functions to mwheel up and down. I can do stuff with that. The hotbar selecting in DXHR seems backwards to me and I was wanting to invert the wheel. I found I could do so with my Razer Imperator, but the extra button placement on that isn't preferable to the G400 for how I'm binding.
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Aug 30, 2011 00:10
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So does the G400 not have a tilt-wheel? I would consider it a good thing if it didn't. I love my G500 but I really dislike the tilt-wheel, it's useless and flimsy.
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Aug 30, 2011 00:52
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Goo is Logitech's long-time community guy for gaming mice and poo poo.Goo posted:The wheel of the G400 is physically identical to the wheel of the MX518. And the MX518 does not have one of those garbage-rear end wheels. Also you might want to wait for the G300 because it looks to be really loving great.
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Aug 30, 2011 00:57
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No tilt wheel on the G400. Just a standard, non-descript job. I feel it's shallower with less resistance than you'll commonly find in a gaming mouse, if one compares it to the wheels on Razer mice or the Zowie. Some mice wheels are stiff enough that the entire mouse will slide if you push against the wheel with your finger, and I find this preferable. I'm not scrolling pages with my gaming mice, I'm switching weapons. I like them purpose built.
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Whats a 'gaming-grade laser' and how is it different from a regular laser? edit: anyone tried a Zowie mouse? Are they built well? Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Aug 30, 2011 |
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Aug 30, 2011 01:16
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Copper Vein posted:No tilt wheel on the G400. Just a standard, non-descript job. You know what you have to do. *coughnaoscaugh*
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Aug 30, 2011 01:32
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Copper Vein posted:No tilt wheel on the G400. Just a standard, non-descript job. The original boomslang from back in like 2001 had the absolute best mouse wheel for this reason.
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Tom Foolery posted:Give me a good reason not to do things this way and I might consider it. Depending on the product, buy/try/return can end up costing the manufacturer more than if you had never bought their product in the first place. K8.0 posted:Goo is Logitech's long-time community guy for gaming mice and poo poo.  Copper Vein posted:Goo: Salt Fish posted:Whats a 'gaming-grade laser' and how is it different from a regular laser? Goo fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Aug 30, 2011 |
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Aug 30, 2011 01:57
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Goo: Why is the M500 such an amazing mouse that nobody ever talks about and what's the grip on it called?
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Aug 30, 2011 12:00
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Goo posted:I'm a product manager, but yeah. You probably have nothing to do with tech support, but I anthromorphized my 3 year old MX518 in a tale of woe I wrote to tech support (inspired by 'E-mail a company' in GBS) to see if they'd still replace it (shows up as a broken USB device in Windows). Got a new G400 in the mail today  RIP Jenkins.
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Eh, I like the G500 wheel. Not as precise as I want it to be but depending on the game/if I want to bother setting it up in Setpoint, tilting left/right can be read as buttons too.
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movax posted:You probably have nothing to do with tech support, but I anthromorphized my 3 year old MX518 in a tale of woe I wrote to tech support (inspired by 'E-mail a company' in GBS) to see if they'd still replace it (shows up as a broken USB device in Windows). Verviticus - I don't know offhand, but I would guess it's a soft touch paint or actual rubber.
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Now that I've broken my second Sidewinder X8 in 2 months, I'm gonna need a new mouse. Enough with these. Does anyone have any words about the Logitech G700? It seems to be the closest thing to what I'm looking for, but it's getting a bad wrap for battery life from reviews I've read. I wish Microsoft would commit to more than 4 months of selling any physical product. Oh well.
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Monkey Lincoln posted:Now that I've broken my second Sidewinder X8 in 2 months, I'm gonna need a new mouse. Enough with these. Obviously you should just buy an xbox 306 The good news is that if you break a Logitech, they'll most likely replace it for free. I don't have any personal experience with the G700, but their customer service is excellent. The mouse itself is most likely good, just be aware that it uses the steaming pile that is Setpoint.
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Monkey Lincoln posted:Now that I've broken my second Sidewinder X8 in 2 months, I'm gonna need a new mouse. Enough with these. If it has to be wireless then it is between a G700 and Razer Mamba, which is essentially a wireless Deathadder. The G700 will give you more options by far, but I can't speak to it's ergonomics or feel as I've never used one. The Mamba got a new dual sensor version recently so you might be able to find the old version on eBay or amazon cheaper. I find it to be a comfortable mouse. Edit: I forgot that Logitech has some wireless MX mice that are not being marketed as gaming mice, so I overlooked them. They probably don't use the "Gaming" version of the Setpoint software, so I'd guess that programming and profile options are somewhat reduced compared to the G700. Does anybody know if they have DPI switching? Copper Vein fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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The VX Revolution (released at the same time as the original MX Revolution) didn't.
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Oh yeah it's helpful if I let you know what I'm looking for. Doy. -Ergonomic seems like a moot point since everything is in some way. -Back-foward buttons that are above and below each other, not horizontal -Macro recording on the fly would be great -DPI switching on the fly, be it through a list or just 2-3 settings -Scroll wheel doesn't need to tilt, but it would be great if it doesn't do that thing where the wheel clicking doesn't line up right so grazing the wheel switches weapons on me. -Software has automatic loading game profiles for those few, awesome games that won't let me set Mouse4 as a button. I love that this switches from cordless to corded by clicking the wire onto the bottom, but that's not a necessity either. Same with swappable feet pads. I bought both of mine from Newegg, 6 and 2 months ago, and Microsoft is refunding me for both. I think I'm the only person on the planet who's had better luck with Microsoft support than Logitech.
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You didn't say if it had to be wireless but I'm guessing that's what you want. You want a G700. Razer software doesn't do automatic profile switching. Vertically aligned side buttons are kind of rare, but the G700 has a cluster if four so you can have it both ways. It also has the "hyperscrolling" tilt wheel, which you or may not like. You'll have up to 5 DPI setpoints to toggle between, but no instant DPI wheel selector with on screen display like the Razers have. I've never seen on-the-fly macros in mouse software. Did the Sidewinder do this? If you can deal with a wired mouse, look into the G400, as it has the most programming options and best interface, but horizontal side buttons. Also look into the upcoming ambidextrous G300.
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I have a G700 and I really dig it. I tend to use my g9x more for gaming because I loving love that mouse. But the g700 is an absolutely fantastic mouse. The battery life isn't fantastic, but I just plug the drat thing in when it goes out and by morning it's obviously full. I get a couple days of juice. You could always purchase a set of rechargeable batteries and a charger from amazon and never really have to worry.
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Mine's plugged in 80% of the time I use it. I could go with it being either wireless or not really. But all that sounds great. Picking one up tonight.
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Is the G9x not cool anymore? I bought mine about a year ago and I'm absolutely loving it. It's comfortable, you can change the weights in it, the wheel can change from free spinning to clicking, you can change mouse sensitivity directly on the mouse instead of going into a configuration, and it has 2 different shells you can pick from (smooth and rough).
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Just two posts above you I mentioned that I actually use the g9x more then my g700 as I am a heavy FPS gamer. As a claw grip user that mouse just owns. The sensor, the feel, the sleek look.. Its great. Although, why the gently caress did they put the button to switch the scroll from free spin to click on the bottom of the mouse?
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The overall height of the product, dimensions of the wheel module, and internal space constraints all drove that decision.
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NihilCredo posted:The VX Revolution (released at the same time as the original MX Revolution) didn't. Still the best mouse I ever owned, and the last of the really good ones (before the new "Darkfield" sensors that chew through batteries). I'm still loving pissed the Logitech (Australia) refused to replace mine after it died because I threw out the box that said "5 Year Warranty!" on it after they retroactively changed all product warranties to 3 years.
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ThaGrandCow posted:Is the G9x not cool anymore? I've used logitech mice for 20 years and surprisingly the G9x was the most short lived. The rubberized shell lasted about 8 months before getting disintegrated and gummy and the click wheel lost it's clickiness after about a year. I found all the adjustments you could make to the mouse were a hassle, like having too many seat adjustments in a car and never being able to find a comfortable setting. I understand it's a personal thing. Currently liking my M510.
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Verviticus posted:Goo: Why is the M500 such an amazing mouse that nobody ever talks about and what's the grip on it called? tl;dr slap a decent tracking implement in the thing and I would probably use no other mouse.
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Goo posted:The overall height of the product, dimensions of the wheel module, and internal space constraints all drove that decision.
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Dominoes posted:One of my main complaints about the G9 is that it doesn't have the auto-switch from free to clicky like the MX Revolution does. That feature is very useful. Do the newer Logitech mice have it? The MX performance does not have it. Can't speak for any of the other newer mice though.
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Dominoes posted:One of my main complaints about the G9 is that it doesn't have the auto-switch from free to clicky like the MX Revolution does. That feature is very useful. Do the newer Logitech mice have it?
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NihilCredo posted:I assume it wasn't worth the hassle and production costs. In a broad product development sense, it always comes down to what consumers are willing to pay for. If a specific feature is not worth the added cost to consumers it doesn't always get to stay in the product line. Or, sometimes it's determined through research that the additional cost would be better spent improving other features. It's about optimizing the feature set to meet the market's needs. Sometimes this does mean that features some people like get dropped, though.
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Well, it's barely been 1 year and my Imperator is dying. Making the switch to Logitech when I get enough money for a G500 and not looking back.
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Goo posted:A disclaimer here is that I have no idea what the actual history on the auto-clutching wheel is, but I will add some additional insight.
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Steelseries is having a nice sale right now. 50% off anything Blizzard related and 30% everything else. You can order a new Cataclysm mouse from them for $50 if that's your thing, or pick up mousepads at a nice discount. I ordered a QCK Heavy for $22 shipped.
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couldcareless posted:Well, it's barely been 1 year and my Imperator is dying. Making the switch to Logitech when I get enough money for a G500 and not looking back. I'm really not impressed by the build quality of Razer stuff. Anecdotally, of course, but still..
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HalloKitty posted:I'm really not impressed by the build quality of Razer stuff. Anecdotally, of course, but still.. My Deathadder has done me pretty well. Lots of travelling in it's life, lots of pissed off gaming sessions, lots of nerd-sweat etc. The worst thing that it ever does it accumulate that nerd gunk on the side that creeps into the thumb buttons. It doesn't affect performance but it looks icky. I'd say it's definitely not for claw users, though. If you palm your mouse and are built like an average stereotypical goon, you can't go wrong with a properly built Deathadder. edit: Also the DA isn't ambidextrous (though if you have a need for this design you wouldn't even be looking at this mouse)
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Copper Vein posted:Steelseries is having a nice sale right now. I don't really need a new mouse at the moment, but does anyone know if any of their headsets are any good?
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Has anyone had any experience with the Mionix Naos 5000? http://www.mionix.net/page.php?al=naos5000 I haven't even heard of Mionix before but it seems like a pretty solid mouse from the video reviews I've watched, I would like some unbiased goon opinions though. Sometime soon I'll be buying either a Naos 5000, RAT 7 or a Naga.. If anyone can weigh in with anything, I'd be very appreciative!
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