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Manac0r posted:I absolutely understand the attitude towards ignorance/laziness. You guys are right; if you are going to spend that type of money and have the passion then you really should sit and read a while and clue yourself up. Like I said if people are showing off and bragging then giving them hard facts in a cold manner is understood. And yes bottle necking your system is stupid, whether it be through processor or monitor, and with a little reading you can learn what work best for what. That thing looks awesome. I'll take two. And yeah, If you're fully aware that you're spending £200 extra for a 2FPS gain and you're fine with that then great. Again, I've never seen anyone get ripped into on any of these boards for having excessive components unless they're e-peen bragging. If I had unlimited funds then of course I'd have a hex core with hyperthreading, liquid nitrogen cooling and as many 590s in SLI as I could fit into the case. And then pay Epic to make the Samaritan video into an actual game that's optimised for my rig.
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Copper Vein posted:You might hafta relax that "standard layout" requirement a bit, but check out the Microsoft Sidewinder X6, and the Logitech series G19, G510, and G110. The G110 looks pretty good. This is what I really want, though:  This is what my crappy old HP keyboard had. There is a volume knob right up there in there in the corner, and some media keys that you can easily find and use without looking at them. I don't know why something this good never caught on. HP doesn't seem to put this on any of their new keyboards. The one I've got is so old that it plugs in on PS/2.
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Manac0r posted:Seriously understood and thanks for shedding some light on the topic in a mature way. Anyway here is my rig : Put wheels on that thing and Wall-E is a reality.
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Manac0r posted:Just an enquiry with no intention of insulting or accusing anyone but why the hate/ridicule/disdain for those that opt for high end technology? Sure, you could get similar performance for less. But it's their money, their passion and their right to purchase such items, which may even help fund the more cheaper iterations. If said person is flaunting it, or acting elitist, then yes I can understand taking them down a peg or two. I don't really care about blingbling LEDs and $500 videocards, if someone wants to blow their money then there are far worse ways to do it. I just don't like seeing them telling other people to do it and most of them have heavy confirmation bias so its something you see quite often on forums. I saw some idiot telling someone they should get a 256GB SSD because games are so large these days when in reality an SSD has tangible benefits on loading times in probably a handful of games at best. It furthers the belief that PC gaming has to be expensive which hurts the hobby overall as someone else mentioned.
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The Gunslinger posted:I don't really care about blingbling LEDs and $500 videocards, if someone wants to blow their money then there are far worse ways to do it. I just don't like seeing them telling other people to do it and most of them have heavy confirmation bias so its something you see quite often on forums. I saw some idiot telling someone they should get a 256GB SSD because games are so large these days when in reality an SSD has tangible benefits on loading times in probably a handful of games at best. It furthers the belief that PC gaming has to be expensive which hurts the hobby overall as someone else mentioned. Agreed, anything that is detrimental to PC gaming I abhore. It's like a russian diplomat telling the peace corp that cavier is essential. After he sold several grade A weapons to Luxemburg. I don't want to get lost in anaolgies but lets provide an environment where even the zealot gamer and the bang for buck gamer can meet, talk, communicate and discuss. Like Bill Hicks said, if a moron spends his pay check on poo poo that is not worth it, well we just lost another moron. But for those pioneering and pushing tech to the limits, well we ain't mad atcha ya. I paraphrase granted. Now ignorant cash throwing tech unsavvy yobs, well now we talking. 
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The Gunslinger posted:I don't really care about blingbling LEDs and $500 videocards, if someone wants to blow their money then there are far worse ways to do it. I just don't like seeing them telling other people to do it and most of them have heavy confirmation bias so its something you see quite often on forums. I saw some idiot telling someone they should get a 256GB SSD because games are so large these days when in reality an SSD has tangible benefits on loading times in probably a handful of games at best. It furthers the belief that PC gaming has to be expensive which hurts the hobby overall as someone else mentioned. One of the biggest problems is that a lot of people fall under the notion that price = quality. Likewise, another problem is that people fall under the notion that price =/= quality! That $300 Corsair PSU might be SLI-certified, but it's also a rebranded CWT that you could get for around $100 if you bought it without black paint and the Corsair logo (but it's still a CWT). And while that XFX PSU under $100 meets your output needs, it also just happens to be a rebranded entry-level Seasonic that has some serious ripple problems under load. The fledgling PC gamer isn't going to know any of this, because he probably made the mistake of posting a Gamefaqs thread about what parts are good Meanwhile, a Seasonic X650 is $160, the unit is simply painted black, and is in a box that has zero nVidia logos or endorsements on it. It's also a 650W, while some OCZ PSU is 800W, only $100, and has all of it's reviews and gaming certifications printed on the box and it's Newegg page. No one new into the hobby would know that the Seasonic blows away everything in the $100 range for performance and stability, and will last a lot longer The same goes for video cards. XFX is ultra-cheap, and touts their lifetime warranty to seperate them from the rest. To someone just getting into the hobby, that'll sound pretty good, and XFX will look pretty top-tier. Anyone who just goes by Newegg reviews and forum testimonies won't know that XFX is a notoriously-lovely brand that cuts every possible corner on non-ref boards, cheaping-out on critical features like power phases, VRM's, caps, and PCB. And even on their ref boards they're guilty of throwing a lovely fan on the HSF. The same GPU being sold by ASUS, MSI or EVGA (Sapphire too most of the time) might be $30-50 more, but on the chance the board you're buying isn't ref, you can at least know it isn't lovely, and will stand up to any xxxtreme overclocking you throw on it But at the same time, I've seen people that drop $300+ on an EVGA mobo, assuming their GPU quality stretches to other realms. The reality is they're just rebranded Foxconn's most of the time, and you could've got something with similar/near-similar quality from ASUS or MSI for half I made this mistake after graduating from high school. I sold my Radeon 9800 to go towards an X1300, because the box said PCIe > AGP all day every day. It was easily the shittiest card I've ever used, and I had a Compaq with a Virge in it. WoW at 1024x768 brought it to it's knees the moment something particle-intensive happened, and was loving loud in the process. My P4 HT became an Athlon 64, but I opted for the single-core, because I assumed HT and dual-core were in the same (lovely) family of technology. Oops. My 2 gigs of Corsair XMS DDR became 4 gigs of Corsair DDR2 ValueRAM. Both sticks died around Christmas, but it was still more gigs than 2! tl;dr research the poo poo out of anything you plan on buying, and go in knowing that you can be thrifty on some poo poo, but not all if you don't want to end up RMA'ing something down the road. [H] is  as gently caress but runs the most in-depth tests on the most critical parts. Guru3D, Techpowerup, Overclockersclub - cross-ref all of these too, and just for the hell of it, poke around on the forums (but not TOO deep)
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I think my HD5870 MSI Lightning edition, i7 930, 6GB of 1600mhz ram and 300$ Asus Mobo I bought last july was an overkill..the whole system was like 1900$ dollars. The native resolution of my monitor is 1280x1024.In my probably lost cause of a defense, I was asking 4chan for advice and I had no idea SA existed. I think i'll be the bad example here. 
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What is a reference board? Also, I'm using an HD 6870 with a 1280x1024 monitor  I'm just waiting for my new monitor
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Srebrenica Surprise posted:If you're going to have "passion" about something, having "passion" about buying overpriced fully assembled electronics components and pushing them into a standardized slot to play video games better is possibly the lamest thing ever. I can think of lamer things: "Greece’s recession is deepening, and Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said at a news conference in Athens on Friday that it may last through next year — despite forecasts from the International Monetary Fund and others that growth would resume. As a result, the country may miss the targets for lowering government deficits included in a joint IMF and European Union bailout." If only he didnt splerg out on an i7 990x. Seriously the freedom to be a moron is what its all about, if you lynch these people, then hell lets take a flame thrower to any one with an SSD and an overclocked system. I hyperbole for sure, and ignorance is no excuse. But lets not rob anothers freedom, otherwise we no better than a soviet militia. Anyway, I concede ignorance deseverses a blast of knowledge. But an educated purchase, well we can call it lame, but in the end that's all we can do. Far better to spend cash money on PC components than on an illegal firearm and a glass pipe. And hell maybe we reach a few, and they understand the cycle. But making people ashamed to post their specs, in fear of ridicule, well that just ain't right. Ok I m gonna bow out now, I have heard other's side and I understand it. But for me, if you got an i7 and quad SLi setup, with montiors that need it. Mazel Tov. E: I understand educating the consumer, but lynching the purchaser. Anyway lets be as we are. I understand where you all coming from. Its just not in me to hate someone who can afford it and buys what makes them happy. Life too short. And bigger fish to fry.
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Avocadoes posted:I think my HD5870 MSI Lightning edition, i7 930, 6GB of 1600mhz ram and 300$ Asus Mobo I bought last july was an overkill..the whole system was like 1900$ dollars. The native resolution of my monitor is 1280x1024.In my probably lost cause of a defense, I was asking 4chan for advice and I had no idea SA existed. I think i'll be the bad example here. To be fair to 4chan, if you were to ask for build advice there, they would just post this, which, while it isn't the parts picking thread, it's one of the better guides you could go by.
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habanero walrus posted:To be fair to 4chan, if you were to ask for build advice there, they would just post this, which, while it isn't the parts picking thread, it's one of the better guides you could go by. Wait a second. That's terribly useful. Are you sure it came from 4chan?
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4chan is kind of like a coal mine, occasionally the geological forces converge in the right way on the right point and you get a diamond, but mostly it'll just give you black lung disease. Arguably another of said diamonds is this wiki which is pretty thorough and reliable. I believe that's where I found out about Battle Engine Aquila.
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NihilCredo posted:Speaking of dual monitors, is there any advantage or disadvantage to connecting your secondary screen to the chipset's onboard graphics instead of your main card, if you're not interested in putting 3D graphics on it? For example, does it make it easier to have a fullscreen game/film on the main screen while doing other stuff? Not sure if anyone touched on this from a couple pages back, but from what I've seen there is no real intangible difference except in one case - if you have an nvidia card and the monitors are on different resolutions, the video card will always run at 3D mode (highest speed) at all times. I had the problem where my card would "idle" at 60c because it never clocked down. Then I stucked in a spare old GT 220 and used that to connect my secondary monitor, and the main card now idles as normal. I don't see any performance difference while gaming (or it may be too small to tell) or temperature when doing actually demanding tasks. Granted that means I now have two video cards running, so it probably outputs same/more heat, but the GPU fans spin up much less, so the overall noise is lower.
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NihilCredo posted:4chan is kind of like a coal mine, occasionally the geological forces converge in the right way on the right point and you get a diamond, but mostly it'll just give you black lung disease. Yeah that's the game list I was talking about. It's pretty nice really.
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NihilCredo posted:Arguably another of said diamonds is this wiki which is pretty thorough and reliable. I believe that's where I found out about Battle Engine Aquila. Spent about 30 minutes reading this. Will probably spend many more hours. Some bias here and there, but still really awesome and nicely written. In fact I was actually surprised by how tolerant they were of every game. Usually every game mentioned on /v/ is Literally the Worst or The Only Real Game of This Genre and most often both. This is pretty cool.
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NihilCredo posted:Arguably another of said diamonds is this wiki which is pretty thorough and reliable. I believe that's where I found out about Battle Engine Aquila. Wow, this is well done. This description to AoE in the Windows section shows they know what they're talking about : quote:Quality Microsoft (SOMEHOW) RTS, advance your tribe from the stone age to the medieval age while fighting off rival civilizations and managing an RTS economy. BEST loving RTS YOU WILL PLAY EVERY DAY. R.I.P. Ensemble Studios
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:What is a reference board? Also, I'm using an HD 6870 with a 1280x1024 monitor When a new GPU is born at TSMC or GF, it is then thrown on the PCB's to AMD/nVidia's spec, and these boards are then given to Sapphire, EVGA, Zotac, etc. where they are then given their own HSF, and the only difference between these cards are the robot frog or anime girl on the sticker. Once the reference boards are all gone, the manufacturers start throwing the GPU on their own PCB and start making cards themselve. This can result in cards of superior quality compared to reference, pretty equal quality, or lovely quality. XFX is proven to use cheap, lovely PCB, along with caps, solder, and everything else that is critical for a card to function. Whole loving power phases are skimped on, non-PWM fans, and just an overall-lovely quality in general. THIS is why you have a lifetime warranty. Diamond is in the same realm of lovely, but if you have ever been aware of the Stealth series of video cards, it's a given. I do my best to warn people on the horrors of XFX, yet I still see goons recommend their PSU's and cards  Usually you can tell when a card isn't reference by looking at the fan position. If it's near the end of the card, it's reference. If it's in the middle, it isn't. Watch for PCB color too. All ref pre-6000 Radeons will be red, while 6000 and onward are black. I haven't used an nVidia card since the 285, but they're consistently green If it's been a year and after since a certain GPU was released, you can bet any new ones on Newegg and such will be non-ref. ASUS and MSI are consistent in non-ref quality, and usually throw better HSF's on the process (but the ASUS CuCore series is loving HUGE and takes up 3 slots). Sapphire specializes in AMD cards, and they have a distinct blue PCB when they're non-ref. I rarely hear anything bad about them, so they're also an option if you roll with Radeon. EVGA is basically Sapphire for nVidia, and the step-up program is nice if something groundbreaking manages to come out within 3 months. Their mobo's are rebranded Foxconn's, and their PSU's rebranded Antec's, so you can skip those I hear multitudes of things regarding all the other manufacturers (HIS, Gigabyte, VisionTek, etc.), all ranging from 'fine' to 'died within months', so you may get lucky with one of them, or you might not. Keep in mind ANY card can die at any given moment - regardless of manufacturer, so there is no true master-race brand, just ones that make cards far-less likely to explode or melt than others But that still isn't a reason to buy an XFX or Diamond product 
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Whats with the SSD hate? There have been a few posts on the last couple of pages putting them in the same league as top of the line brand new GPUs or whatever. Getting an SSD was the most noticeable upgrade I have made on my PC in terms of actually using the computer day to day. They arent some niche product that only hardcore enthusiasts will get use out of.
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timmmmaaaah posted:Whats with the SSD hate? I don't think it's hate so much as viability. A real big theme here is getting the best price/performance ...and SSD's are pretty expensive for even 80GB. Generally most people can get by with standard 7,200RPM HDD's which have a terabyte or two. It looks like a logical upgrade, but with all things new, it's going to be rather expensive and probably unreliable. Years from now this wont be the case and we'll probably all be using them. buglord fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Sep 3, 2011 |
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The Idea with SSD's for gaming is that you get a good but not too expensive or big one and put your OS and intensive applications on it. If you are playing a game a lot you put that game on it, if you use steam; use a steam spreader to put that game on it. You aren't going to want or need an SSD big enough for everything you have.
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GreatKesh posted:http://www.direct2drive.com/9853/product/Buy-Call-of-Duty:-Black-Ops-Download
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Zedd posted:IP So if I get a proxy or VPN I should be alright?
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GreatKesh posted:So if I get a proxy or VPN I should be alright?
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Zedd posted:Yup; but you might as well just get a goon to gift you the game on steam for $40usd and that would be even less hassle for you. I'll check out the steam thread then. Thanks
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Zedd posted:The Idea with SSD's for gaming is that you get a good but not too expensive or big one and put your OS and intensive applications on it. Yeh, this. You get a small SSD (mine is 128gb and that is more than enough - still not full with a couple of mmos and steam games on it) and only install windows and programs on it. You then rotate games you are playing between a second big harddrive and the smaller SSD. It isnt just games that take advantage of it though. Startup/restart times become really short, every program opens almost instantly etc. As far as "using a computer" goes it really makes it tonne better.
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Well so long as we're on unnecessary-PC-parts-chat, anyone want to tell me how much I really shouldn't have bought half of my PC? I just went from general recommendations from buddies that were still within my budget (I didn't go for everyone's recommendation of SSD and an i7, though) and so far it's been serving me well enough. I don't do lots of PC gaming, but when I do I'd like it to look pretty. Plus I do a little bit of graphic design and my old laptop just wouldn't hack it any more. Case: Antec 300 Midi Case Power: Black Storm SATA 800W Motherboard: Asus AM3 M4A87TD EVO Processor: AMD Phenom 3.2 Quad RAM: Corsair 8GB DDR3 HDD: WD 2TB SATAII Graphics: Asus ATI Radeon HD 6870 DirectCU My two monitors are pretty low-standard but they're good enough for the time being. Both are 22" 1680x1050, one's a cheap Dell one that came with my last desktop PC, the other is a Lenovo Thinkvision-something that I've got swivelled as a tallscreen. I really ought to find a fun PC game that's perfect for pushing my PC as far as it'll go graphically sometime. Question Mark Mound fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Sep 3, 2011 |
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^^^ Metro 2033 ^^^Avocadoes posted:I don't think it's hate so much as viability. A real big theme here is getting the best price/performance ...and SSD's are pretty expensive for even 80GB. Generally most people can get by with standard 7,200RPM HDD's which have a terabyte or two. There's also the fact that games in general aren't really designed or optimized for SSDs yet, so other than speeding up the occasional loading screen, an SSD won't really impact game performance. Games as they are currently made, are designed to hold everything in the current level in your available ram to prevent having to access the HDD while you're in the middle of some action. If you have a current generation game that gets better framerates during play or plays smoother after changing only your drive to an SSD, it's likely that the SSD is just masking what the real source of the problem was, which is likely either too little RAM, or more likely, too much poo poo running in the background while you play, eating up the available RAM and forcing Windows to shove game data that should be in RAM onto your HDD in the swapfile. An SSD will make accessing the swapfile lightning fast and may seem to speed your game up, but the same thing can be accomplished by not running a lot of crap and unnecessary services/programs in the background... for a lot cheaper. A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Also, Power Color is a really solid ATI manufacturer. My 9600 Pro is still running strong in my old rig my parents use now, and that's even after they managed to catch the Power Supply on fire. Like, literally with flames and everything. I don't know if it still holds true, but back in the day Powercolor was the OEM manufacturer for the ATi cards sold under the Made-by-ATi brand throughout Asia (similar to the position Sapphire held/holds in the west). I still have an old Powercolor-branded Geforce 2 MX that I used for what seems like forever that ran like a champ. Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Sep 3, 2011 |
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Question Mark Mound posted:Well so long as we're on unnecessary-PC-parts-chat, anyone want to tell me how much I really shouldn't have bought half of my PC? I just went from general recommendations from buddies that were still within my budget (I didn't go for everyone's recommendation of SSD and an i7, though) and so far it's been serving me well enough. I don't do lots of PC gaming, but when I do I'd like it to look pretty. Plus I do a little bit of graphic design and my old laptop just wouldn't hack it any more. take three tablets fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Sep 3, 2011 |
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Question Mark Mound posted:Well so long as we're on unnecessary-PC-parts-chat, anyone want to tell me how much I really shouldn't have bought half of my PC? I just went from general recommendations from buddies that were still within my budget (I didn't go for everyone's recommendation of SSD and an i7, though) and so far it's been serving me well enough. I don't do lots of PC gaming, but when I do I'd like it to look pretty. Plus I do a little bit of graphic design and my old laptop just wouldn't hack it any more. Most of that seems good actually. That PSU is really overkill however, if you only look at wattage. And more importantly of an unknown brand and really cheap so it's probably poo poo and will either die or catch on fire sooner rather than later. Ask in the parts picking thread when that happens.
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Question Mark Mound posted:Aha, speaking of that, is there a good way to try to get the colours to match on my two cheap-rear end monitors? I've been fiddling with settings but I just can't quite get it right. Plus my monitor at work definitely doesn't match out with the colours that get printed. Being a bit of a simpleton, I just want a bit of software that'll print out a test sheet, get me to click on a colour onscreen that matches what came out of the printer, then it'll do all the thinking for me. Getting two different monitors to match is fairly tricky. Hell sometimes they switch panels mid-production and sell it as the same model. The best you're going to get towards calibrating screens to be similar is spending about $50~ on a used Spyder 2 (make sure it has the software and key!) which is a hardware device that works in conjunction with software to create color profiles for your display. Fairly pricey but they are targeted at professionals. Otherwise your best bet is to get two of the same LCDs at the same time and try to match settings. averox fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Sep 3, 2011 |
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:Most of that seems good actually. That PSU is really overkill however, if you only look at wattage. And more importantly of an unknown brand and really cheap so it's probably poo poo and will either die or catch on fire sooner rather than later. Ask in the parts picking thread when that happens. If he can afford a 955 BE with a ~$150 board then he definitely can get a 2500 non-K with a H61. mATX, lack of USB3/SATA3/only 2 DIMMs isn't as bad as most people think. Or just add another $50 for a full-feature mATX Z68 board.
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