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MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe
I'll concede this is a potentially-creepy question, but here goes:

I was watching Freddy Vs Jason the other day, and I thought it was really weird that, early in the film, one of the girls walks to the shower, naked. The camera is a positioned so that her rear end crack doesn't show on film, which is understandable, but then the next scene has her doing a nude scene in the shower.

Now, turns out that the actress, Katharine Isabelle, doesn't do nude scenes. So when its really her walking to the shower, they have to do the Hide-A-Crack scene, and then a body double did the shower scene. Mystery solved, but it got me randomly curious:

How :spergin: do filmmakers (and actresses who do them) get when it comes to nude scenes? Do most have "rear end crack but no breasts" "Sideboob but no vagina" lines in their contracts, or is it usually a simple "Will do naked" or "Will not do naked"?

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VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

MisterBibs posted:

How :spergin: do filmmakers (and actresses who do them) get when it comes to nude scenes? Do most have "rear end crack but no breasts" "Sideboob but no vagina" lines in their contracts, or is it usually a simple "Will do naked" or "Will not do naked"?

It depends on the actor/actress, but it can get all the way down to "cleavage with no nipple" and dedicated body doubles for specific actors and actresses. This is a very managed part of an actor's career.

BrewingTea
Jun 2, 2004

This is how you negotiate nude scenes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axv1NFJpM4A&t=151s

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Other things that are done in nude scenes is having the talent wear flesh coloured briefs or boob tubes that provide some modesty. Or even getting things like latex pads to place over nipples. Also these scenes are usually shot on a closed set to limit things like candid photography.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
Talent agreements will have separate nudity riders specifying exactly what said actor will and won't do or show.

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe
Two random questions:

  • A few years ago (at least) I recall reading online that while the promotional/ for-the-diehard-fans screenings of Serenity went over gangbusters, the screenings / focus group tests were practically inverse. I've done some random googling from time to time and couldn't find anything, but it would make a lot of sense: the movie didn't do so well, not to mention the whole "Based On A Failed TV Show" thing.

  • This popped up in my Netflix thingie-boober, and since I'm seeing either 1-Star or 5-Star ratings for it, I'd ask here: has anyone seen Ever Since the World Ended? I'm kinda a sucker for End Of The World films.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

MisterBibs posted:

Serenity
I remember at the time comparing the box office earnings of Serenity and Snakes on a plane to both be around $14,000,000 on their opening weekends; suggesting that's all you really could earn from an internet hype. It did pretty poorly in theatrically in Australia and it the film was eventually released on DVD in a two pack with Doom; making it a pain in the arse to find the plain release if someone wanted it for their birthday.

Encryptic
May 3, 2007

MisterBibs posted:

Netflix thingie-boober

For a moment, I thought you meant there was a Netflix feature that lets you search for boobs shown in movies (sort of like the website from Knocked Up) and I got excited. Dammit. Netflix finally fails me.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Steve Yun posted:

That's about what I mean by point.

Up until recently I assumed that Vito and Michael are shown in parallel in order to show that Vito was doing things right and that Michael is doing things wrong.

However, upon rewatching recently, it occurred to me that a lot of the betrayals that happened to Michael were betrayals that were brewing while Vito was alive: Tessio, Vito's old friend, was planning to betray the Corleones to Barzini while Vito was alive. Carlo betrays the Corleones to Barzini during Vito's reign.

It kind of weakened the idea that Vito was doing things right, so now I'm wondering, if Vito wasn't always doing things right, what is the point of comparing Vito to Michael?

I don't know about comparing things between the films, but within Part II, the "point" of juxtaposing Vito's rise with Michael's... whatever seems to be based around their view and treatment of family. We see Vito essentially forming his mafia family as a means to provide for and protect his own family, and his friends/people he's close to. At the same time we see Michael tearing his family apart and turning on people close to him in order to solidify the power of his mafia family.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

WebDog posted:

I remember at the time comparing the box office earnings of Serenity and Snakes on a plane to both be around $14,000,000 on their opening weekends; suggesting that's all you really could earn from an internet hype. It did pretty poorly in theatrically in Australia and it the film was eventually released on DVD in a two pack with Doom; making it a pain in the arse to find the plain release if someone wanted it for their birthday.

To be fair, their marketing strategy for the movie was horrible. I had never heard of Firefly before and I had no idea that it was a continuation of a TV series. Even without this knowledge I figured out it was a continuation of something, but I didn't know what. I assumed it was something crappy since they didn't mention what it was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3u7bB7dZk

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

They don't mention Firefly in the Serenity advertising because the studio didn't want to scare off people who didn't see the show. They were obviously not successful.

There's a moment in the trailer where Mal says "Do you want to run this ship?" in the typical movie Captain way, but then Jayne answers "Yes". Mal stutters a bit and says "Well... you can't." When I first saw that trailer I thought it was nearly the dumbest comedy moment I've ever seen, but once you know the characters it's pretty funny. Things like that are probably why it did badly with focus groups.

Factor Mystic
Mar 20, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction
I was surprised it didn't do well.... I had not seen Firefly but was vaguely aware of it's existence, but was pretty much blow away by how great Serenity was, went out, bought the Firefly DVDs, consumed them, bought the Serenity DVD, etc. I guess it didn't have much of a connection with non-nerds.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
I saw Serenity in theaters on a whim with my mom, just looking for some fun sci-fi fare. We both loved it, and neither of us had ever even heard of Joss Whedon, let alone Firefly. It's an enjoyable space-action-comedy, with fun characters and clever writing. I don't know why I saw it, though- I don't recall ever seeing an advertisement for it. I think I might have just seen the poster at the theater and been like, "Let's see that."

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

scary ghost dog posted:

I saw Serenity in theaters on a whim with my mom, just looking for some fun sci-fi fare. We both loved it, and neither of us had ever even heard of Joss Whedon, let alone Firefly. It's an enjoyable space-action-comedy, with fun characters and clever writing. I don't know why I saw it, though- I don't recall ever seeing an advertisement for it. I think I might have just seen the poster at the theater and been like, "Let's see that."

This is the reaction and experience of most of the people I know who have seen it. I like to think that the Browncoats hosed themselves over by adding a stigma to the movie causing it to keep casual nerds away. Whedon fans ruin everything.

Markeh
Jun 5, 2007
Savagely Irritable
Woke up this morning vaguely remembering a movie I saw maybe 10 years ago, please help me figure out what its called. Its a comedy movie, Id guess from the mid 90s, about a pill that makes people gay. i remember a scene with a dad watching gay porn in his bedroom and his kids pretty pretty blase about it downstairs and another scene with the bad guy having a metallic claw because he hurt his finger jabbing someone. Thats all I got.

Rake Arms
Sep 15, 2007

It's just not the same without widescreen.

Markeh posted:

Woke up this morning vaguely remembering a movie I saw maybe 10 years ago, please help me figure out what its called. Its a comedy movie, Id guess from the mid 90s, about a pill that makes people gay. i remember a scene with a dad watching gay porn in his bedroom and his kids pretty pretty blase about it downstairs and another scene with the bad guy having a metallic claw because he hurt his finger jabbing someone. Thats all I got.

That's Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy. The pill is actually an anti-depressant, and it made the dad confident enough to come out. We get to see everyone who takes the pill relive their happiest memory. If you're into Kids in the Hall, it's pretty drat funny.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Rake Arms posted:

That's Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy. The pill is actually an anti-depressant, and it made the dad confident enough to come out. We get to see everyone who takes the pill relive their happiest memory. If you're into Kids in the Hall, it's pretty drat funny.

Were is your dad? Upstairs watching gay porn. Again?

Markeh
Jun 5, 2007
Savagely Irritable
The internet is amazing. An answer in 3 minutes to something my brother and I have been wondering about for years.

Dr_Amazing
Apr 15, 2006

It's a long story

Rake Arms posted:

That's Kids in the Hall: Brain Candy. The pill is actually an anti-depressant, and it made the dad confident enough to come out. We get to see everyone who takes the pill relive their happiest memory. If you're into Kids in the Hall, it's pretty drat funny.

Holy crap! There's a Kids in the Hall movie?!?

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Dr_Amazing posted:

Holy crap! There's a Kids in the Hall movie?!?

Yes also the boss is based off Lorne Michaels. It is funny not nothing compared to the show.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
I don't think anything is as inexplicably funny as "I've lost my Indian drum!", but it's got some pretty good moments.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Dr_Amazing posted:

Holy crap! There's a Kids in the Hall movie?!?

Its pretty great, the downside of it though is that Dave is barely in it as (IIRC) this was during the time he had a falling out with the group.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

muscles like this? posted:

Its pretty great, the downside of it though is that Dave is barely in it as (IIRC) this was during the time he had a falling out with the group.

I thought it was due to his Newsradio schedule.

And holy hell, Dave Foley has been in a lot of stuff!

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


From what I've read, the reason he's in so much is mostly because he has massive money issues due to a bad divorce.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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muscles like this? posted:

From what I've read, the reason he's in so much is mostly because he has massive money issues due to a bad divorce.

Yeah, the Canadian courts decided that whatever he was making at the time of his divorce (when he was filming News Radio and making bank) is the level he should continue to pay at. He owes far more in any month than he has a chance of making, so his only option is to work as much as possible and never ever go back to Canada, where he would be arrested.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Baron von Eevl posted:

Yeah, the Canadian courts decided that whatever he was making at the time of his divorce (when he was filming News Radio and making bank) is the level he should continue to pay at. He owes far more in any month than he has a chance of making, so his only option is to work as much as possible and never ever go back to Canada, where he would be arrested.

Well he has been back to Canada. The new Kids in the Hall was filmed there along with things like Stargate. So he wither has permission to work there or that article is out of date.

KillRoy
Dec 28, 2004
I many not go down in history but I'll go down on you sister.
What is the reason they use green and blue screens for special effects? Could you use any color, or does it have to be a specific shade of green or blue in order to work?

penismightier
Dec 6, 2005

What the hell, I'll just eat some trash.

KillRoy posted:

What is the reason they use green and blue screens for special effects? Could you use any color, or does it have to be a specific shade of green or blue in order to work?

Strong contrast with human skin.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org
Blue screens were used first before everyone seemed to switch to green, right? Is that the reason? Because they found it had a better contrast?

jvempire
May 10, 2009

Cage posted:

Blue screens were used first before everyone seemed to switch to green, right? Is that the reason? Because they found it had a better contrast?
Green is the contrast of red, but it's also important to note that blue is the contrast of orange. Skin colors can have lots of reds to oranges and because everyone's skin colors can be pretty different, it means people could maybe have more red than orange, etc etc. So really there isn't that much difference using green or blue for people.


Here's a little rough visual that will still get the idea across (pic link)

penismightier
Dec 6, 2005

What the hell, I'll just eat some trash.

Isn't green easier to light?

jvempire
May 10, 2009

penismightier posted:

Isn't green easier to light?
Oooh, that's it, forgot all the light spectrum stuff. The wikipedia page goes into a little bit more detail too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key#The_process

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

KillRoy posted:

What is the reason they use green and blue screens for special effects? Could you use any color, or does it have to be a specific shade of green or blue in order to work?
Chroma Key, was invented in 1964 by Petro Vlahos and is a continuation of the matte process, where you'd black out part of a frame to allow light to pass through and expose something behind it. This goes back to D.W Griffith's The Great Train Robbery where the landscape rushing past the open carriage door was inserted in post. It also meant you didn't have to shoot on a moving train.
But how did they do this when there was no colour? Popular Science explains.


The picture below from Cleopatra is a demonstration of a static matte, which is still used today, just with digital paintings.


The other method was to do this in camera, on set by painting it onto glass and putting it up in front of the camera. The limits were obvious, you had to make sure no one moved in order to keep the illusion of perspective.


A travelling matte is one that moves, so tilts and pans can be better conveyed to not make the environment look stagey as you're able to move the matte lines out of the way of actors. A forced perspective background is often used. It's also used in more complex matte effects such as the one below that is combining preshot smoke elements to make a background more lively.


With chroma key systems, what is happening is that you are telling a program to switch blue into black. This is then re-exposed over a backdrop. You can use any colour, some live effects for older TV shows like Doctor Who used yellow. Live effects are done through a vision switcher, it's how they do the weather.

A crude example of how digital keying works. It's virtually the same method from 1900.


Green screen become more common as blue can bleed into black. Other factors were better luminance (resulting in less chance of underexposed patches), better performance outdoors and the green channel is picked up more frequently on digital cameras allowing for more precise mattes to be created from the extra data.
One common mistake people make is they shoot the subject standing almost next to their screen. This results in the colour refracting off the wall and onto skin or clothes creating rough edges where spill is eating into the subject.

csidle
Jul 31, 2007

Regarding watching movies with others ...

I regularly watch films with my family. These films will usually be ones that I've already seen, that I've then recommended to them. Generally, I prefer to watch films alone, because watching them with other people tends to mean nothing but added distractions. That said, there are obviously benefits -- I love watching great films with my family to see their reactions. What really, really irks me about watching films with them though, is the fact that they cannot give the film their undivided attention.

Maybe I'm being stupid for getting annoyed by this, but when I'm watching a film with them, and out of the four, at least two of them will be on their laptops reading meaningless loving blogs, at least one of the other two will be on their cellphone on Facebook or playing a game, while the last will be reading a book or magazine or something.

When I'm watching a film with them and they're doing other poo poo while "watching" it, it feels like they're just taking the piss; I can't see the point in having a movie on if you aren't gonna give it your whole attention. Maybe if I'm playing a game or just relaxing I can put on a comedy and not really give a poo poo, but if we're watching The Godfather or Schindler's List or whatever, loving don't be doing other poo poo while watching it.

For me, someone who doesn't let themselves be pulled in and manipulated by films while watching them cannot have a valid opinion about a film, because they literally haven't seen the whole thing.

This might be more of a rant than a question, but it's been bothering me for months. It's so loving annoying. If you don't want to watch a movie, don't.

Mustach
Mar 2, 2003

In this long line, there's been some real strange genes. You've got 'em all, with some extras thrown in.

csidle posted:

What really, really irks me about watching films with them though, is the fact that they cannot give the film their undivided attention.
This is how everyone I know watches television now, and nobody ever wants to watch movies with me because they feel that they can't do things like this and that it's too much of an "investment."

csidle
Jul 31, 2007

I can see their point, too, and if that's how they want to watch movies... I guess that's fine for them. But if I'm watching it with them, it's honestly almost as bad as someone talking on a cell phone in the cinema.

The worst thing ever is when we're watching movies and they'll start spouting trivia from IMDB. Like today, I was watching I'm Still Here and right around the Letterman interview, my sister went "oh he's in on it, it says so on the site." This takes away from the movie so much for those of us who didn't know, and I just can't see the point in looking that up before even finishing the movie.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

I multitask when watching movies at home all the time. If it's a particularly gripping movie, it'll make me drop what I'm doing and just watch the movie, but for me, home movie-watchin' and theater movie-watchin' are two completely different things.

VorpalBunny
May 1, 2009

Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
If I am watching something at home and I recognize an actor but can't recall where I have seen them before, I will often pause a film to look them up on IMDB. I only do this when watching stuff with my husband, who doesn't seem to mind the interruption, and I wouldn't presume to do this with people who aren't tolerant of my quirks.

csidle
Jul 31, 2007

VorpalBunny posted:

If I am watching something at home and I recognize an actor but can't recall where I have seen them before, I will often pause a film to look them up on IMDB. I only do this when watching stuff with my husband, who doesn't seem to mind the interruption, and I wouldn't presume to do this with people who aren't tolerant of my quirks.
Sure, but there's quite a distinction between seeking out a specific actor because you're wondering what you've seen him in, and just general browsing the trivia section of a film for whatever you might find.

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the Bunt
Sep 24, 2007

YOUR GOLDEN MAGNETIC LIGHT
Sometimes my mom can be annoying to watch movies with because she always goes "Oh, that's (insert actor)! He's married to (insert actress) isn't he?"

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