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Profane Obituary! posted:m0nk3yz is organizing Pycon '12? http://jessenoller.com/about/
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spankweasel posted:http://jessenoller.com/about/ Oh I didn't know m0nk3yz was Jesse Noller. How bout that.
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Aug 18, 2011 20:33
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FredMSloniker posted:I think not posting since September 29, 2010 constitutes a bit more than 'not posting a lot'. Even if nothing in the OP needs to be changed (and there is at least one change that even my newbie eyes can see: Python's now on versions 2.7 and 3.2), it'd be good to have it in the hands of someone who can make any necessary changes. Programming languages and resources don't change radically, by design. They don't want to break methods/compatibility concerns without fair warning. They try to remain as constant as they can, with meaningful changes taking many years to come through. If you're looking for the most 'up to date' resources, they're all their in the OP; there's nothing that needs changing. The best things for a newbie are all there, download python and start working through it. Even if you looked at a python thread OP from 4-5 years ago, it would still be useful. If you wanted more guides or something, well, us programmers have a phrase: DRY. Don't Repeat Yourself. All the best stuff is in the OP and that's not going to change.
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Aug 18, 2011 23:39
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Profane Obituary! posted:Oh I didn't know m0nk3yz was Jesse Noller. How bout that. how could you look at that face and not see a True Goon, honestly..
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Aug 19, 2011 00:29
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Profane Obituary! posted:m0nk3yz is organizing Pycon '12? he is on the board of the psf, a core contributor, and working on pycon  (also he is a a cool person  )if anyone thinks they can write a better OP, just post in here and we'll ask him/or an admin nicely to paste it in in reality: the op is still resonably informative - a lot of the recent python developments don't really affect the beginner python programmer. that, and no-one reads the op before asking questions anyway 
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Aug 19, 2011 05:07
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Moving away from the meta discussionFredMSloniker posted:I just decided to take a look at this thread because I'm pondering learning a programming language besides BASIC and writing a game with it. Just start coding. Python will be a little different to basic (i.e how objects work and are passed around), but most of it will feel pretty familiar. I would start with the official python tutorial before playing around with a library like pygame or pyglet I wish I could recommend 3.0, but if you want to write games, python 2.7 will be better in terms of compatibility, and 3.0 isn't much of a change for most programs.
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Aug 19, 2011 05:11
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I stumbled onto m0nk3yz homepage, and lost 3 hours of my life reading his python good to great collection. Exactly the types of topics I was looking to take my python knowledge to the next level.
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Aug 19, 2011 07:30
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I'd also add the following to the list, albeit more about CPython than Python, but useful nonetheless: http://bugs.python.org/file4451/timsort.txt -- aka why python has the best* sorting algorithm http://svn.python.org/view/*checkout*/python/trunk/Objects/dictnotes.txt -- how pythons dicts are implemented despite not being as shiny or as advanced as implementations like PyPy, CPython has had a lot of good ideas under the covers, and it is worth reading abou them I'd also recommend any talks by raymond hettinger * for stable sorting of objects - things like dual pivot quick sort or radix sort can outperform it for different constraints
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Aug 19, 2011 08:06
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Grr, I've been wrestling this for a bit. I don't know a whole lot about lower level C stuff so I would appreciate some help with this. I'm attempting to use the pynsca plugin available on git and its kicking out this error: The command I'm trying to run specific to the pynsca plugin. Once I've declared the NSCANotifier object from the pynsca plugin, I try to run one of its methods: NSCANotifier.svc_result( "string" , "string" , "string" , "string" ) code:
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Aug 19, 2011 09:52
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tef posted:Cool links Really good stuff, the sort was particular interesting, I like the way all the considerations are framed, in a 'see: its not so complicated when we break down the problem into smaller, logically separated chunks' kind of way, enlightening to see the thinking itself.
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Aug 19, 2011 11:24
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If someone writes me a new / updated OP, I'll post it - sorry for my absence, I've been busy.
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Aug 19, 2011 18:36
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Edit: I'm on Windows I'm trying to follow this: http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/07/03/parsing-c-in-python-with-clang/ but I'm running into a problem with loading the DLL via ctypes. I have a mingw32 compiled DLL, but whenever I call a function that ends up calling a C function in the DLL and passing in an object, I get this error: ValueError: Procedure called with not enough arguments (4 bytes missing) or wrong calling convention Any ideas? I've tried Python 2.6 and 2.7 (both 32-bit of course) to no avail... Edit: It's actually not functions that take in non-boring typed arguments, but ones that return non-boring types that are breaking. Edit 2: Aha, I have figured it out. Apparently the msys32 clang.dll wasn't cutting it, so I built (using VS2010) my own libclang.dll and everything works peachy keen 
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Aug 24, 2011 21:05
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Innocent Bystander posted:Grr, I've been wrestling this for a bit. I don't know a whole lot about lower level C stuff so I would appreciate some help with this. It's been a while since I played with struct.unpack, but yes - or possibly "at least 132". It is kind of like a reverse printf: It uses a descriptor string to split a chunk of data, and the chunk has to be long enough for all elements in the descriptor.
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Aug 25, 2011 15:59
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Is whoever made skybot the ircbot still active in this thread?
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Aug 26, 2011 08:59
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At a quick pass at updating the OP: What is Python? (from http://www.python.org) Python is a dynamic object-oriented programming language that can be used for many kinds of software development. It offers strong support for integration with other languages and tools, comes with extensive standard libraries, and can be learned in a few days. Many Python programmers report substantial productivity gains and feel the language encourages the development of higher quality, more maintainable code. Official Website: http://www.python.org/ Official Documentation: http://docs.python.org/ Python Quick references: http://rgruet.free.fr/ Semi-Official Python FAQ: http://effbot.org/pyfaq/ Official Python Cheeseshop: http://pypi.python.org/pypi Official Python Wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/ Python development tools, including editors: http://wiki.python.org/moin/DevelopmentTools Official Planet Python (weblogs): http://planet.python.org/ Unofficial Planet Python (more weblogs): http://www.planetpython.org/ Python Magazine: http://pythonmagazine.com/ Norvig's Infrequently asked questions: http://norvig.com/python-iaq.html - This man exemplifies elegant code. His solutions are just... beautiful. Python tutorials and free online books:
What version should I use? Python 2.x or 3.x? http://wiki.python.org/moin/Python2orPython3 - The offical website tells all Alternative Python interpreter implementations
Python: Myths about Indentations: http://www.secnetix.de/~olli/Python/block_indentation.hawk m0nk3yz posted:Why I like python: I enjoy both it's syntax, dynamic (latent) typing, standard library and truly enjoy programming in the language. I've been hacking in python for about four or five years at this point, and I have come to really enjoy the community and ecosystem around the language as well. Python is expressive and while I've run into bits of python code that make me WTF, I've rarely run into a chunk I couldn't read, or understand - you have to go out of your way (or be abusive with say, list comprehensions) to make python unreadable.
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Aug 26, 2011 16:31
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Just some thoughts: - Maybe add a list of common IDEs? (because this thread gets a ton of questions about IDEs) - A separate section on web frameworks with links to official sites/SA threads? - Information about Pycon? (links, what is it, etc.)
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Aug 26, 2011 16:39
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Well Volunteered!
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Aug 26, 2011 17:41
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Since python is often recommended as a beginner's language (especially here in CoC) it'd be nice for there to be a short discussion / link to a discussion about interpreted vs compiled in general, the distinction between CPython and Python itself, etc. I know that stuff kind of confused me when I was looking at python and didn't know poo poo from poo poo.
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Aug 26, 2011 18:17
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Grabulon posted:Is whoever made skybot the ircbot still active in this thread?
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Aug 26, 2011 19:11
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OP updated.
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Aug 27, 2011 00:13
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sweet, thanks! The link to the vim ide page has a trailing ")" which is a 404.
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Aug 27, 2011 03:39
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Aug 27, 2011 04:26
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Alright, I finally found a small project I can do that's basically a ease of use script. The general gist of it is I want to open some programs, move some directories and map a network drive. I'm going to expand and make it nicer eventually, but is there a script out there that has the basics and which modules would be best to use for something like this?
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Sep 1, 2011 01:16
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Gothmog1065 posted:Alright, I finally found a small project I can do that's basically a ease of use script. The general gist of it is I want to open some programs, move some directories and map a network drive. I'm going to expand and make it nicer eventually, but is there a script out there that has the basics and which modules would be best to use for something like this? Depending on how you're doing things and what OS you're in, you might find these useful: os os.path subprocess shutil pywin32
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Sep 1, 2011 02:21
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here's a good stackoverflow answer on calling external programs in python, and why subprocess is a good choice (there are a couple of stdlib modules for doing that and a blind google can be confusing): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/89228/how-to-call-external-command-in-python/92395#92395
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I don't know if anyone will actually find this interesting, but I recently updated my open source hard drive benchmark. It's a script that'll simulate file transfers in Windows, OS X, and Linux as closely as possible to the actual user experience. I had to write a lot of weird hacky code to try to avoid file cache effects and such, like unmounting and remounting drives before each file transfer (obviously this doesn't work if you're using your OS disk or some other volume that can't be unmounted). I wrote a crappy GUI for the old version of this tool using tkinter, but I'm thinking that if I write a GUI for the new version I'd like to try using PyQT (mostly just as an excuse to learn PyQT). http://code.google.com/p/copymark2/wiki/Copymark2 Feel free to criticize my code, I wrote some of it a year or so ago when I didn't know as much as I do now.
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Thanks for the leads guys. Looks like the simplest way to open a file is to import subproccess, then subprocess.Popen("App Location"). I know there's more to do with the Popen in subprocess (There's a lot), but that will come later. The thing I'm working on now is mapping the network drives. One place I went to had this: pre:import win32wnet from win32netcon import RESOURCETYPE_DISK as DISK drive_letter = "K:" path = r"\\server\share" win32wnet.WNetAddConnection2(DISK, drive_letter, path) pre:import win32wnet from win32netcon import RESOURCETYPE_DISK as DISK dl1, dl2 = "U:", "R:" path1, path2 = r"\\foo\bar", r"\\foo\bar01" win32wnet.WNetAddConnection2(DISK, dl1, path1) win32wnet.WNetAddConnection2(DISK, dl2, path2) e: Dunno where the hell I picked up that raw_input() at. Thanks tef. Gothmog1065 fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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Sep 1, 2011 14:19
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Sep 1, 2011 14:45
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Its been a very long long time since I've dev'd anything on a windows box, but doesnt python let you do it like c:/blah/blah instead of c:\blah\blah .
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os.path.join makes a lot of this easy, but I do think it's annoying to work with '//<UNC share name>/<folder>/<subfolder>' type stuff since you need to specifically use splitunc
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duck monster posted:Its been a very long long time since I've dev'd anything on a windows box, but doesnt python let you do it like c:/blah/blah instead of c:\blah\blah . e: I'll be damned. Just did that in a command prompt. Thanks for that!
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Gothmog1065 posted:I have never heard of that. If that's true, that would make things a bit easier. Its a simple little thing, but it goes a hell of a long way to making poo poo x-platform compatible.
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I really really like using VIM to edit python, but problems with autocomplete are starting to get to me. I've set it up like sontek suggests and it has a bunch of great features, but the autocomplete only works well with built in classes. With my own source code or even with third-party libraries installed to site-packages it only completes locally defined variables. I'm aware of the import bug where a failed import can break omnicomplete, so that's definitely not it, and using ctags with my own source only seems to give me the ability to jump to the definition (which is great!) but it doesn't seem to actually add anything to omnicomplete as some people suggested it would in the stackoverflow threads I've looked at. Anyone have any success with this? EDIT: Upon further investigation it seems like its some issue with the OSX distributed python or the process of building vim against it. If I use MacPorts python distribution and build vim against that instead, it works as expected. Unfortunately a third party library my current project requires running python in 32-bit mode which I've only gotten to work properly with the OSX distribution of python...I suppose a stopgap solution is to have the libraries I need to use installed to both distributions so I can develope with vim compiled against macports and just run the program with the osx distro. argh! Farrok fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Sep 8, 2011 |
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Sep 7, 2011 23:29
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So after going through 'Learn Python The Hard Way' I was still wanting to learn more about the basics and found a nice set of tutorials on youtube by a guy named Bucky. Python Programming Tutorial I personally really like how easy it is to understand them and how it's broken up. Hadn't see it posted in the OP so thought I'd post it for anyone else that could find it a good resource.
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Apocadall posted:So after going through 'Learn Python The Hard Way' I was still wanting to learn more about the basics and found a nice set of tutorials on youtube by a guy named Bucky. Aha! That's where I got raw_input() from. Seems it's obsolete now though. Those look like pretty good tutorials for the very beginner, but there's no real way to practice that I noticed.
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Sep 8, 2011 13:53
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Gothmog1065 posted:Aha! That's where I got raw_input() from. Seems it's obsolete now though. Those look like pretty good tutorials for the very beginner, but there's no real way to practice that I noticed. Yeah I used it more to help me remember how to do the basics and how it all works together. From what I was able to learn I think I figured out a small RPG health system and how to expand it. Still working everything out in a flowchart and testing different things though so I could screw it up horribly.
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I'm going through Byte of Python and working on learning the syntax and such, and I came across one example where it was giving an error. I realized that there's a difference between 2.7 and 3.0 that I had to use raw_input() vs. input() in order to assign a value to a string variable, and I'm on the 3.0 guide, so that's why I had the problem in the first place. However, I can't seem to fully update to 3.0 for the life of me on OS X Lion, and every guide online to do so is terrible. I have it installed in the applications folder but the shell script seems to do nothing in terms of making /usr/bin/python refer to 3.2 installed in /Library/Frameworks. Any advice?
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Sep 9, 2011 17:39
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Just set up an alias so python points where you want it to.
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Sulk posted:I'm going through Byte of Python and working on learning the syntax and such, and I came across one example where it was giving an error. I realized that there's a difference between 2.7 and 3.0 that I had to use raw_input() vs. input() in order to assign a value to a string variable, and I'm on the 3.0 guide, so that's why I had the problem in the first place. However, I can't seem to fully update to 3.0 for the life of me on OS X Lion, and every guide online to do so is terrible. I have it installed in the applications folder but the shell script seems to do nothing in terms of making /usr/bin/python refer to 3.2 installed in /Library/Frameworks. Any advice? Install Homebrew. It's a bit of a pain to try to upgrade the System version, especially if apps are expecting a certain version.
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duck monster posted:Its been a very long long time since I've dev'd anything on a windows box, but doesnt python let you do it like c:/blah/blah instead of c:\blah\blah . It's a windows thing, not a python thing - in general it'll accept / and \ interchangeably in paths. Very handy.
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