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Profane Obituary! posted:Is there any compelling reason to pick Microserver vs That Nice looking Lian Li case + newegg parts? I'm not sure how good HP is with stuff like that, especially now, but it would be worth pretty much to have someone to ask when stuff fails. We used a Shuttle case for a customers small server, turns out shuttle and certain harddrive manufacturers weren't compatible. So we have to run 3.5" Samsung SATA drives in it to get normal speeds, with the Seeagate we tried first we got down to around 2mb/s transfer rates.
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For whatever reason, hard drive manufacturers have been releasing their largest HD's in external-only at first. How long does it generally take before they sell them bare? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/five_platters_4_tb/
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Somehow a 5 platter drive doesn't sound very reliable to me.
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Bob Morales posted:For whatever reason, hard drive manufacturers have been releasing their largest HD's in external-only at first.
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Rodney Chops posted:Yea I guess theres no reason to use naslite if freenas does the same thing. It just sucks because a pile of my music and videos are not compatible with PS3. So i'm going to have run it all through handbrake before loading it on my nas. Actually setting up ps3ms on freenas (as long as it isn't freenas8) is pretty easy. I did install it on my microserver straight up, but after finding I didn't need it, just used upnp. http://www.homemultimedianetwork.com/Guides/Installing-PS3-Media-Server-on-FreeNAS.php Easy step-by-step instructions for freenas 6 & 7, bothe 32 and 64 bit versions.
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Puddin posted:Actually setting up ps3ms on freenas (as long as it isn't freenas8) is pretty easy. Holy crap. You are my hero. Thats exactly the type of idiot proof intructions I need to actually complete something. Internet high-five for you. Thanks a ton.
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No wucking furries!
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Profane Obituary! posted:Is there any compelling reason to pick Microserver vs That Nice looking Lian Li case + newegg parts? underlig posted:Warranty? Re: warranty, HP voids the warranty on the entire MicroServer if you install non-HP drives. As in, not buying their $500/disk 2TB hard drives in special caddies, even though the MicroServer doesn't use caddies. That's what stopped me from getting the MicroServer. If warranty is a major concern, I only have high praise for Dell, who has given me some of my most enjoyable tech support calls, even willing to troubleshoot the non-Dell array drives. Even with an educational or Representative discount, it's still very pricey, though. As for kitted parts vs. MicroServer, it can actually be pretty tough to compete with the MicroServer once you take into account extras like replacing the stupid glowing front fan or swapping noisier motherboard stock fans with low-noise cooling, adding the system drive, upgrading the RAM, getting a non-poo poo power supply, and getting enough SATA cables. I mean, it's quite possible, especially with AMD E350 boards, but it's a decent amount of work and not a lot of cost savings.
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BnT posted:
Is there really much point in installing ESXi on something with only 4 gigs of ram?
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bob arctor posted:Is there really much point in installing ESXi on something with only 4 gigs of ram?  Enough for a DC, vyatta router, and 2 linux VMs.
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The microserver can also take ECC ram which is a feature you are unlikely to find on anything else approaching the same price range.
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Can I get a critique of my planned NAS please?quote:Case: Fractal Design Array R2 Black Aluminum Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case 300W SFX PSU Power Supply I plan on getting 2 of the 3k5 drives to start with and expand up to 6 of them in a RAID6 for 8TB of storage. The server will run Arch Linux and may host a few KVM guests. I'll be using a 160gb 2.5" drive to boot from. If you guys know how I can convert this to a setup that will run ESXi 4.1u1 without spending too much more I'd love to know what parts to get.
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Goon Matchmaker posted:Can I get a critique of my planned NAS please? WTF is the Hitachi coolspin? I've been avoiding any drive that isn't straight up non-green 7200rpm. The Hitachis haven't dropped price in a year, so I'm still waiting to pick up more because there's no way I can justify the same price for another set of HDs a year later.
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feld posted:WTF is the Hitachi coolspin? I've been avoiding any drive that isn't straight up non-green 7200rpm. The Hitachis haven't dropped price in a year, so I'm still waiting to pick up more because there's no way I can justify the same price for another set of HDs a year later. I'm pretty sure Coolspin is just Hitachi's way of hiding the fact the drive spins at something like 5900 RPM instead of 7200 RPM. I could be wrong though.
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Tornhelm posted:The microserver can also take ECC ram which is a feature you are unlikely to find on anything else approaching the same price range. It's unbelievably hard to find PSUs that would be optimally low-watt and reliable enough for most file server uses, if you're concerned about power consumption. If you're concerned about HP honoring warranty, what's stopping you from just lying and removing the drives before sending in for a warranty repair? Unless it's real obvious there were drives sitting in the bays they can't exactly prove you voided it.
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I have a friend who has this setup through Firewire 800: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/DAT+Optic/T5R5ESUF/ He needs more space, and also a second person working on it at the same time. So I'm going to build a FreeNAS machine for him with RAID-Z. Each computer has a gigabit ethernet controller, the router has gigabit ports, and so will the FreeNAS server. The FreeNAS server should be much faster than their current Dat Optic setup right?
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Depends on the overhead of all the networking voodoo* and how that thing does on FW800. In my experience (albeit with lesser externals) FW maxes out at about 80MB/sec sustained, and while I have no clue about hard latency numbers, I've run a few systems booted off of it and the experience is fine so I guess you can consider it pretty good there too. *If this is for OS X machines I'd definitely look into how well or not they play with FreeNAS...it can suck with some network shares for whatever reason. And I guess make sure the files they're using aren't dependent on being local or on HFS+ drives or something.
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I'm not sure if this was answered before, but I'm having a little issue with a hard drive that used to be a member of an old raid-5 array I had. The other 5 member disks I was able to remove the volume, re-initialize and format and then they were like normal drives again, but no matter what I do with this drive it still shows up as the old raid-5 space, and when I try to do anything to correct the size, VHD in windows 2008 r2 fails with a "system cannot find the file specified"... I've scoured the internet for hours trying to get this thing to act right, I'm thinking that the drive itself might be borked but I'm not entirely sure. Can anyone suggest a program that would be able to at least confirm that my disk is busted, or possibly even fix it? Edit: Fishmanpet posted:The drive mantufacturer might have a utility to test the drive, otherwise an Ubuntu live CD can easily read SMART data from the drive. Thanks, I used option number 2 and everything is all good again  originalnickname fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Sep 20, 2011 |
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originalnickname posted:I'm not sure if this was answered before, but I'm having a little issue with a hard drive that used to be a member of an old raid-5 array I had. The drive mantufacturer might have a utility to test the drive, otherwise an Ubuntu live CD can easily read SMART data from the drive. As for repair, unplug all the other drives from the computer, boot a DBAN disk, and do a one pass wipe on the drive to clear it completely.
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Why that case over the cheaper (and equipped with room for a non-poo poo power supply) Lian-Li Q25?
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IOwnCalculus posted:Why that case over the cheaper (and equipped with room for a non-poo poo power supply) Lian-Li Q25? I assume you're talking to me? I didn't know the Q25 was available to be honest. But since it is, I'll swap the Q25 for the Array R2 case. What's a good power supply? Edit: That's one weird case. I'd be worried about the noise from any drives mounted on the bottom row. Goon Matchmaker fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Sep 15, 2011 |
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japtor posted:Depends on the overhead of all the networking voodoo* and how that thing does on FW800. In my experience (albeit with lesser externals) FW maxes out at about 80MB/sec sustained, and while I have no clue about hard latency numbers, I've run a few systems booted off of it and the experience is fine so I guess you can consider it pretty good there too. They are OS X machines, so I will check into that some more. My main worry is getting them this new setup and having it run slower than the Firewire RAID, especially when they already complain about the speed.
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Not sure on the PC-Q25 power supply, supposedly depth can become an issue with it. I'd imagine you can get some rubber to put under a drive mounted on the bottom tray if noise becomes an issue, or just use it for a boot SSD or something.
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If the PC-Q25 is like most other aluminum Lian Li cases, get ready for some irritating resonance/humming from the hard drives. The rubber HDD mounts that came with my -B25 don't do poo poo.
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For the record - it's hardly the best-written review but it's better than nothing. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4294/lian_li_pc_q25_mini_q_sff_chassis_review/index1.html
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I'd consider the Q25 over the Fractal Design case just on cost alone. Coincidentally, Fractal Design has Lian Li as their OEM, so both are Lian Li cases fundamentally anyway. For a file server in one of those cases I'd be aiming for about a 150w PSU and as low-power of a CPU as you can get away with. At that pricepoint you're starting to step squarely into the range of an HP Microserver, so unless you're a real stickler about the number of drives, need a 5.25" bay real bad, or want different hardware than the Microserver you're hitting diminishing returns with the Fractal Design case+PSU. If the pricepoint was maybe $60 lower it'd be a very strong contender (at the very least it'd mean free PSU compared to the Q25). On a size basis, here's the top contenders: Lian Li PC-Q25: 14.41" x 7.83" x 11.02" Fractal Design Array R2: 13.78" x 9.84" x 7.87" HP Microserver: 26.7 x 21.0 x 26.0 cm (10.5 x 8.3 x 10.2 in) Kinda hard to beat a complete custom solution with economy of scale to work for a small, low-power file server. movax posted:The rubber HDD mounts that came with my -B25 don't do poo poo.
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I finally picked up a ReadyNAS Ultra 6 Pro, because XRaid2 fit my storage needs the best, and I'm liking it so far. The rebuilds as I add drives is taking forever (24-74 hrs for 2tb disks). As I move data to the NAS via SMB, I notice that my network utilization looks weird. I'm moving big (4gb+ files over) and when the connection should be sustained and steady, it looks like this  This is with a gigabit nic, gigabit switch, and gigabit on the ReadyNAS. All have 9k jumbo frames enabled/configured. Is this normal network behavior for this kind of setup?
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angelfoodcakez posted:This is with a gigabit nic, gigabit switch, and gigabit on the ReadyNAS. All have 9k jumbo frames enabled/configured. Is this normal network behavior for this kind of setup?
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angelfoodcakez posted:This is with a gigabit nic, gigabit switch, and gigabit on the ReadyNAS. All have 9k jumbo frames enabled/configured. Is this normal network behavior for this kind of setup? On my ReadyNAS Duo I had to change the MTUs before I started getting decent file movement. Once I did that it hasn't given me any problems.
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VerySolidSnake posted:They are OS X machines, so I will check into that some more. My main worry is getting them this new setup and having it run slower than the Firewire RAID, especially when they already complain about the speed.
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I've disabled jumbo frames on the PC end. Disabled them on the ReadyNAS, but it says it won't take effect until I reboot, which I can't because it's still restriping a disk. It should be enough to turn it off on the PC end, though, right? I'm still getting the same spikes, but this time they top out at ~75% of the gigabit connection instead of 50% I didn't figure that the background restriping would cause network traffic like this. I figured it would make for slower writes, but I guessed that would look different. calandryll, what did you change the MTU to? My realtek gb nic tops out at 9K frames, and when I check the enable jumbo frames checkbox, the MTU defaults to 9000 as well. Did you change it to anything other than that?
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angelfoodcakez posted:calandryll, what did you change the MTU to? My realtek gb nic tops out at 9K frames, and when I check the enable jumbo frames checkbox, the MTU defaults to 9000 as well. Did you change it to anything other than that? I don't have jumbo frames enabled and it is set to 1492. I don't remember what the DUO defaults to but that was what I saw suggested on their forums, which are pretty useful if you are having problems.
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I got really good results with tuning the freebsd TCP parameters, it helped me go from 50 Mb/s sustained to 90-100 MB/s sustained on my freenas box. Maybe you can find similar tuning options for readynas?
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angelfoodcakez posted:I've disabled jumbo frames on the PC end. Disabled them on the ReadyNAS, but it says it won't take effect until I reboot, which I can't because it's still restriping a disk. It should be enough to turn it off on the PC end, though, right? Are the spikes while you are re-building the array you are using to "test" it?
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I was moving data to the array while I was adding new disks to expand it. XRaid2 allows for online array expansion after the initial array build. Now that all the drives are added and expansion and restriping are finished, though, I'm still getting the same spiky network traffic. Both with and without jumbo frames.
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I'm in the market for a NAS and am looking at the 2 disk ARM based units (either the Synology 211j or the Qnap TS-212). In addition to storage and download duties I would also like to put some type of source control on it for a couple of personal projects. I'm familiar with Perforce and it's free for two users or less so I wouldn't mind going with it. They have Linux ARM binaries of their tools, but I can't find any confirmation that they work on these NAS units. Is there anyone out there with one of these units who could grab the Perforce server binary (p4d) and see if it even runs?
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angelfoodcakez posted:Now that all the drives are added and expansion and restriping are finished, though, I'm still getting the same spiky network traffic. Both with and without jumbo frames.
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Have you tried a different protocol and/or CIFS client? I seem to recall having similar issues with transferring files via standard Windows methods ages ago.
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If I put a SATA2 drive on my M1015 with SASto4xSATA cable that has 3xSATA3 5k3000 drives on it already, will it slow everything down to SATA2? Would it just be better to put it on my motherboards controller which is SATA2? I got a smallish SSD on sale and want to add a read cache (I don't want to use a consumer level SSD as a write cache and I get pretty decent write performance anyway).
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1. It doesn't matter if your 5,000 RPM hard drives negotiate at gen2 instead of gen3. 2. Drives should negotiate at their own speeds and not bring the entire bus down.
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