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perianwyr posted:I used to be a big old conservative when I was a kid- my relatives would get me Rush Limbaugh books, and I listened to the Ollie North show on the radio (it was always hilarious how he'd talk about the "Special Persecutor". Learn to delete your email next time, Ollie.) It's really an easier ideology to have as a kid- it doesn't ask anything particularly difficult of you. Ha, me too. I was an avid Republican up through high school. Now I'm pretty much a socialist. Ten years of higher education brainwashes another poor soul 
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Pfirti86 posted:Ha, me too. I was an avid Republican up through high school. Now I'm pretty much a socialist. Ten years of higher education brainwashes another poor soul Them dirty lie-beral professors.
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Sep 17, 2011 01:02
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That LF thread is so beautiful. If there was a Top 10 Threads From SA list, it would surely reside in the upper half.
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I was always a Democrat growing up, my father voted both ways but for the last 5 or so elections has voted straight Democrat simply because the right to him has just become more and more crazy. Since then I have started hating America more and more simply because the things my dad has never encountered. Such as dealing with the police, or our lovely health care system, or our terrible prison system. I think at this point I am more of a progressive anti capitalist with a strong distaste for lovely xenophobic Christians that hide behind Jesus to justify their hate.
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Sep 17, 2011 02:02
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I never really got the liberal brain washing college references, because most of my professors I've spoken with, when we hit on politics they describe themselves as conservative and will mention they voted for McCain last election, for instance. Not saying this is the truth everywhere, just where I am so I never got the whole "My teacher is a liberal so I must be a liberal too" vibe at my college.
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Sep 17, 2011 02:29
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crime fighting hog posted:I never really got the liberal brain washing college references, because most of my professors I've spoken with, when we hit on politics they describe themselves as conservative and will mention they voted for McCain last election, for instance. Not saying this is the truth everywhere, just where I am so I never got the whole "My teacher is a liberal so I must be a liberal too" vibe at my college. One of the political science professors I had is good friends with Karl Rove. There were only two professors I had that I knew for certain were Democrats and that's because as an operative I encountered them at several fundraisers my candidates had. And yet my conservative family members blame my professors as well. Which is funny because I was a Democrat in high school. (A republican in middle school because I was dumb). Now I'm not a democrat. At least, not a mainstream democrat. I'm probably to the left of Bernie Sanders on some things.
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I was a Republican in high school and my first year of college because I was really pro-life, buying the abortion being analogous to slavery thing and whatnot. I also, as a high school freshman whose favorite subject was science and got A's in a family where both parents worked in science, watched Kent Hovind and for some reason totally bought it. Mom is liberal while admitting to not following politics or the news, dad is conservative, but isn't really vocal about it other than expressing general disgust about Clinton and Obama. He mentioned to Mom once of "Your buddy Michelle Obama inviting this rapper, who sings about killing cops, Common, to the White House," but I couldn't get a word in edgewise after my sister was aghast after dad said he'd still have Bush, who she said she wanted tried for war crimes. Despite subscribing to those two of the crazier parts of American christian fundamentalist culture, I believed in the social safety net and couldn't understand why anti-gay activists couldn't just live and let live. Still, when you think that an atrocity that rivals the Holocaust in body count is literally happening, other stuff tends to seem less important. Consequently, when I fantasize that I am not a huge wimp who babbles incoherently and averts eye contact at the first sign of conflict, I want to ask "So abortion rivals the Holocaust in sheer bodycount. You believe it's part of a concerted effort to keep the number of African Americans down. Yet the thing that gets you out of the bed in the morning is is gay marriage and keeping the Bush tax cuts for billionaires? You'll wreck the economy to preserve those tax cuts, but for stopping genocide it's 'Don't do anything drastic, just vote for us every four years until we get enough Supreme Court justices.'"
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Sep 17, 2011 03:51
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The idea that Democrats "promote" abortion to keep the number of blacks down is absurd. That demographic votes overwhelmingly overwhelmingly for democrats. It should be the opposite.
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Sep 17, 2011 04:17
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JerkyBunion posted:The idea that Democrats "promote" abortion to keep the number of blacks down is absurd. That demographic votes overwhelmingly overwhelmingly for democrats. It should be the opposite. Oh, like plausibility or factual basis has had any bearing on the content of these emails we posted, or any of the conservative talking points of the last few years. True, the only person actually straight-up said that the idea that Democrats wanted to provide welfare so black people would have single-parent families with too many kids, and then provide easy access to abortions so they'd get so zealous they'd accidentally abort themselves to extinction, or something, was "just some idiot on the internet." But still, people talk about Margaret Sanger's belief in eugenics and putting Planned Parenthood clinics in black neighborhoods as though it had any relevance to what the organizations plans are today. I think Herman Cain is the highest profile person to do this. Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Sep 17, 2011 |
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Sep 17, 2011 07:57
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quote:The African-American then went furtherand talked about the racial overtones behind the founding of the abortion businessp by Ma[rgaret Sanger Haha wtf I cant be the only person who thinks that's a really weird way to refer to Cain.
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Sep 17, 2011 08:16
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JerkyBunion posted:The idea that Democrats "promote" abortion to keep the number of blacks down is absurd. That demographic votes overwhelmingly overwhelmingly for democrats. It should be the opposite. The racism in this instance is multi-layered. The way right wing people justify this is by saying blacks are too dumb to notice. They like to do the same thing with liberal Jews who don't agree with endorsing everything the Israeli government does.
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Sep 17, 2011 15:22
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Got a question. How do you politely tell someone that supply side economics is a myth? I'll be watching the rugby game from last night with my friend and her bf this afternoon. This guy is a corporate lawyer, argues that creating a "hospitable business environment"is all that's needed to create jobs and that the state shouldn't pay for retirement benefits because even someone making $30,000 a year can put $100 away ever month for the future (I doubt this guy has ever made $30,000 a year in his life). He's very polite, not belligerent and my friend is my fiance's cousin, so I don't want to piss anyone off. Should I even bother or just keep my mouth shut?
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Sep 17, 2011 17:58
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HipGnosis posted:Got a question. How do you politely tell someone that supply side economics is a myth? I think your best bet is to simply say "Let's please not discuss politics." Unless you live with the person, discussing politics with them isn't going to go anywhere. There's just not enough time in a single, social gathering to make an impact. For reference: I married a Glenn Beck fan, and reason did get through over the course of a year. Arguing with her family at various family functions, however, has just resulted in a gentleman's agreement to not bring up politics around me.
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Sep 17, 2011 18:05
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HipGnosis posted:Got a question. How do you politely tell someone that supply side economics is a myth? I'd start out by pointing out that in 'the golden age of capitalism' the unemployment rate was 4.8% in the US, 1.2% in France, 1.6% in the UK & 3.1% in Germany. Then ask him whether the unemployment rate was higher during the gilded age (when there was a "hospitable business environment") or lower. Or better yet, don't discuss politics unless you want an argument.
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Sep 17, 2011 18:09
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Ask why someone would incur more cost (addition employees) if they are meeting their demand and still making a profit.
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Sep 17, 2011 18:19
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HipGnosis posted:Got a question. How do you politely tell someone that supply side economics is a myth? I have found the following article to be very thorough and convincing in debunking supply-side economics: The failed experiment - How misplaced faith in tax cuts and other economic myths are destroying the country, by David Cay Johnston, a journalist specializing in economics and tax issues. It also made me very angry. But it should be a good place to start building arguments, if you don't decide to avoid the issue entirely. Be aware that the response may well boil down to "well, they didn't really implement it properly, it would have worked otherwise," at which point there is not much to go on, anyway. But maybe you can find a way to respond to that, as well.
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Sep 18, 2011 03:28
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crime fighting hog posted:I never really got the liberal brain washing college references, because most of my professors I've spoken with, when we hit on politics they describe themselves as conservative and will mention they voted for McCain last election, for instance. Not saying this is the truth everywhere, just where I am so I never got the whole "My teacher is a liberal so I must be a liberal too" vibe at my college. Mind me asking but where did you goto college? I can't really comment I admit because I was a Psychology/Social Work major so most of my professors were at least left of center bare minimum but I've found many people in academia do lean to the left. (The more educated tend to be leftist? Hmmmm  )
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RagnarokAngel posted:Mind me asking but where did you goto college? I can't really comment I admit because I was a Psychology/Social Work major so most of my professors were at least left of center bare minimum but I've found many people in academia do lean to the left. To answer with my own experience: Two of my professors that I liked the most were both deeply deeply conservative. One went to grad school with John Yoo and ran with that crowd and the other just grew up conservative and never changed. Both of them were PoliSci and both of them were teachers first, opinionated conservatives second. Whenever we had class discussion, which was very often, they were tolerant of any viewpoint no matter how divergent from their own it was only if you could support it with solid logic and facts and such. Long story short, I always ended up on the opposite viewpoint as they did and ended up constantly having to rigorously defend my positions and the more I did so the more it pushed me to become more and more progressive. When I wrote my term papers in their classes, in the parts that asked for our opinions I was scathingly critical of conservative policies and ideas and I made to sure to heavily source everything I said and they graded the papers based on the quality of the argument, not the content so I passed with solid As. I'm also pretty sure that if they were shown that LF thread they would both find it hilarious for whatever that is worth. Fake Edit: I don't want to say what school I went to but it is in the bible belt.
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Sep 18, 2011 05:44
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RagnarokAngel posted:Mind me asking but where did you goto college? I can't really comment I admit because I was a Psychology/Social Work major so most of my professors were at least left of center bare minimum but I've found many people in academia do lean to the left. In my final semester at University of Nebraska. I know tons of college kids who are hardcore conservative, can think of at least a few who told me their parents were liberal and they became Republicans once they got to college.
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Yeah I don't expect people to list their actual university I shoulda been more clear on that. I went to school in Massachusetts so being one of the blue-r state I guess that helps.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Yeah I don't expect people to list their actual university I shoulda been more clear on that. I went to school in Massachusetts so being one of the blue-r state I guess that helps. I don't mind, doesn't really narrow it down much cause there are 3 locations. I'm not that paranoid 
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I hate to continue this derail so I'll shut up after this but where's your avatar/title text from crime fighting hog? Been bugging me for a while.
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Sep 18, 2011 06:27
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I know the Avatar is from Regular Show, dunno what the title text is from. Besides the stamping on a human face forever part, of course.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I hate to continue this derail so I'll shut up after this but where's your avatar/title text from crime fighting hog? Been bugging me for a while. Like JT said, it's from an episode of Regular Show where they play a rip of D&D, it's the class descriptions from the player's handbook or whatever. I'm such a nerd I thought it was that funny, etc. The quote is from Grognards.txt in TGD since all we do as nerds is make fun of even bigger nerds who need to constantly simulate "real world" mechanics when playing elfgames and poo poo.
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crime fighting hog posted:The quote is from Grognards.txt in TGD since all we do as nerds is make fun of even bigger nerds who need to constantly simulate "real world" mechanics when playing elfgames and poo poo. What the hell could've inspired someone to jokingly come up with starts for genocide  .
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Kavak posted:What the hell could've inspired someone to jokingly come up with starts for genocide I actually read grognards.txt all the time. Go check it out it's really something else.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Mind me asking but where did you goto college? I can't really comment I admit because I was a Psychology/Social Work major so most of my professors were at least left of center bare minimum but I've found many people in academia do lean to the left. It's really frustrating for me, because my family tends to blame my leftward drift over the past few years on attending a university and then dismiss it as "just a phase". Never mind the fact that I'm a Math major. I mean, what do they think is going on in those lectures? "Today, class, we will prove the a union of countable sets is itself countable, much like a union of the workers will inevitably stand up and be counted by rising against the bourgeois capitalist swine."
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Parity Bit posted:It's really frustrating for me, because my family tends to blame my leftward drift over the past few years on attending a university and then dismiss it as "just a phase". Because, you see, once you get a "real job" and start paying taxes, you will become a republican.
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XyloJW posted:I think your best bet is to simply say "Let's please not discuss politics." Unless you live with the person, discussing politics with them isn't going to go anywhere. There's just not enough time in a single, social gathering to make an impact. Thanks for the advice everyone. Turns out the guy is a rape apologist who thinks that Kobe Bryant's victim probably did want it and cried rape after the fact. I think I'll just, uh, limit that relationship as much as possible.
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Sep 18, 2011 19:17
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Kavak posted:What the hell could've inspired someone to jokingly come up with starts for genocide Is it ethical to kill goblin babies? Are orcs the fantasy equivalent of Africans? All this and more can be found in the terrible, virgin-sweat teared stain bowels of RPG forum community. It's a terrifying place.
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crime fighting hog posted:Is it ethical to kill goblin babies? Are orcs the fantasy equivalent of Africans? All this and more can be found in the terrible, virgin-sweat teared stain bowels of RPG forum community. That, in addition to my buddy Pharmaskittle telling me for years to do so, made me read through grognards.txt. I was not disappointed.
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Some old ones my mom sent me. Sorry that they're a bit on the long side, but trust me, they make absolutely no sense, so bear with me.quote:THE GREEN THING I'm not even sure what this is trying to say.  BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T DO THINGS HEALTHY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT! WE WERE HEALTHIER BECAUSE WE WERE LESS TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED!  Here's another one. This one's Geocities-worthy. quote:I never knew all of this about the Flag Draped Coffin and most likely most of you haven't either..... HOW DARE YOU CALL AMERICA ARROGANT! *goes off on how folding the national flag = Jesus*
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quote:those early regulations stated that although a ship would fire only seven guns, the forts ashore would fire three shots to each one shot afloat, hence the number 21 .... The British at that time officially considered the international salute to sovereign states to be 21 guns, and the United States adopted the 21 guns and "gun for gun" return on 18 August 1875. I think I read somewhere (maybe Hornblower) that it's 21 because 3 and 7 are lucky numbers, and multiplying them is even luckier!
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PalmTreeFun posted:I'm not even sure what this is trying to say. BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T DO THINGS HEALTHY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT! WE WERE HEALTHIER BECAUSE WE WERE LESS TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED! This reminds me of people who lament calculators being allowed in school these days because "it does all the work for you" - even though I met no fewer than 3 different math teachers last fall who explained and demonstrated to me that a calculator won't save your rear end on an assignment if you don't understand the operations you're trying to perform. I guess it's just another thing they like to spout to make "those damned kids of today" look bad or something.
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Sep 21, 2011 02:27
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PalmTreeFun posted:
Why do I have the strange feeling that this is all made up bullshit? 
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Slaan posted:Why do I have the strange feeling that this is all made up bullshit? It's from this site: https://www.usflag.org Buy a flag from US Flag Depot dot Com today! Sometimes I wish fines were imposed for violations of flag code. You can't argue it's not patriotic (I mean in the horrible jingoistic brand of patriotism way) and it would mean a lot less flags in general. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/wallofshame.htm
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Jabarto posted:This reminds me of people who lament calculators being allowed in school these days because "it does all the work for you" - even though I met no fewer than 3 different math teachers last fall who explained and demonstrated to me that a calculator won't save your rear end on an assignment if you don't understand the operations you're trying to perform. I guess it's just another thing they like to spout to make "those damned kids of today" look bad or something. Calculators, if anything, have made math more difficult in schools because it allows you to perform calculations a human couldn't do in a reasonable class period.
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Sep 21, 2011 03:52
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Slaan posted:Why do I have the strange feeling that this is all made up bullshit? I was trying to imply that but I didn't really make it clear. Sorry about that.
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Sep 21, 2011 07:05
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Commenting on the email, not your post 
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PalmTreeFun posted:Some old ones my mom sent me. Sorry that they're a bit on the long side, but trust me, they make absolutely no sense, so bear with me. Yeah back in my day we didn't have dish washers, we just made women clean everything. And our pesticides gave our children cancer. 
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