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origami posted:Hey, Tiger Balm guy again - despite the balm alleviating some of the soreness I'm noticing some dull pain in both arms whenever I'm rolling. It almost feels like I have shin splints in my arms underneath my muscles. Yes. Even if you lifted regularly you are using different muscles (and using the ones you lifted with differently).
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So, is there any chance of my taking BJJ classes in NYC for around $100/month as opposed to $200? If not, is there some other martial art that would fit the bill? I'm both poor and lumpy.
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showbiz_liz posted:I'm both poor and lumpy. BJJ will definitely solve that lumpiness probl-- 
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mewse posted:BJJ will definitely solve that lumpiness probl-- Haha I meant around the midsection. I don't have any illusions about fixing my face via martial arts...
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Xguard86 posted:I'd say stick to the amateur classes and you'd be OK. One thing I'd say they should do to make things more real for these aspiring amateur boxers is to do smokers with other gyms instead of having them fight people they know. At least that way there is a real element of the unknown. Of course that would mean having good working relationships with other upstanding gyms, which can be tricky. Winkle-Daddy posted:Hey guys I asked yesterday but didn't see a reply...I'm looking for a place to get cheap-ish sparring gear (or at least cheaper then the pro-shop where I train) and was wondering if anyone knows of any good online vendors. This afternoon I'm going to go check out places like Dick's Sporting Goods, and some other large places around here. Those are only slightly better priced then my pro-shop, though. I've always gotten my shinguards from here: http://www.combatsports.com/ I think I'm on my third set over several years, though, and I've since upgraded to different gloves and headgear. If you're looking to get a cheap one-stop shop set of gear, that's the right place to use. I've always advised people starting sparring to get lovely gear the first time and upgrade based on how they see their stuff degrades.
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showbiz_liz posted:So, is there any chance of my taking BJJ classes in NYC for around $100/month as opposed to $200? If not, is there some other martial art that would fit the bill? I'm both poor and lumpy. For NYC I think it comes down to several factors... 1. How often? 2. Where in NYC? (Manhattan? Brooklyn?) I'm sure other folks will point this out but training in Manhatan is expensive. As for other places to check out, Sambo (I think there's one goon who trains at NYCS so maybe he could give out pricing info) and Judo come to mind.
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Senor P. posted:For NYC I think it comes down to several factors... I live in Astoria, Queens.
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showbiz_liz posted:I live in Astoria, Queens. I just did a brief google search with maps, unfortunately no prices seem to be listed. OMNI seems to offer Judo and BJJ. http://www.omnimartialartsny.com/ I managed to find a review for a place called Comined Martial Arts fighting, but their website gives more of an impression they are a promoting agency... http://www.cmafighting.com/ Showbiz_liz your best bet is probably to start calling these places up and asking them for pricing plans. (If you have not done BJJ before, stop by and check them out first if time allows.) Are there any other goons in the area who have some information?
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showbiz_liz posted:So, is there any chance of my taking BJJ classes in NYC for around $100/month as opposed to $200? If not, is there some other martial art that would fit the bill? I'm both poor and lumpy.
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You guys are the best, thanks!
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Xguard86 posted:It really does make sense for boxing gyms to make a "lite" class because generally you make a lot more money that way. I've said it before but even though we all hate "McDojo" practices, they exist because it is how you make money. Yep. The club I usually go to would not exists without the lite classes. That's what draws the regular people in, no matter if someone likes it or not. It's all good to talk about "real" training, tough men and women willing to receive a black eye to learn, but (un?)fortunately 95% of the people who enjoy exercise do not want to pay money to get beat up or choked unconscious. And I for one still like to enjoy a pretty central gym location, within reach of public transport from just about anywhere in the city and good training space, even though the rent makes quite a dent to a wallet (not mine!) so I welcome the lite classes, and the fitness boxers and the aerobic fanatics, with open arms.
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I want to grow up and be Toshihiko Koga. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6i3WaVNpGM
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Ligur posted:It's all good to talk about "real" training, tough men and women willing to receive a black eye to learn, but (un?)fortunately 95% of the people who enjoy exercise do not want to pay money to get beat up or choked unconscious. I'm fine with people doing martial arts classes just for exercise. As long as they take care to be good students, good for them. When some of the better guys get in the ring and spar, I can see some people in the intro classes watching and being a little put off by it. And of course others enjoy watching. In other news, on Friday I went in to try to improve my 1-2 range and stepping rhythm, and one of the coaches sparred with a friend running a gym out of town. That dude is 6'1" and massive, like no fat and all muscle. I'd pegged him at 220+, but he checked weight on our scale and was only 208. So now I know what a legit 205lber looks like  .
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Thoguh posted:I want to grow up and be Toshihiko Koga. I've got that fighting films DVD about him and he talks about his elbow injury and how that changed his game and he demonstrates his variations on techniques that he uses/used because of his injury. Its really cool. I watched it before my first lesson and it was like some action movie but now that I've done Judo for a while I actually understand what he's on about. He's an interesting and very successful character thats for sure. I'm more into Yamashita at the moment though, mainly because he's tall and plays like I want to play some day. I feel like a 14 yr old girl talking about her favourite bands.
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Thoguh posted:I want to grow up and be Toshihiko Koga. I wanna grow up to be like Pat Barry
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Pooned posted:Grow?
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Pooned posted:Grow? Balls.
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kimbo305 posted:In other news, on Friday I went in to try to improve my 1-2 range and stepping rhythm, and one of the coaches sparred with a friend running a gym out of town. That dude is 6'1" and massive, like no fat and all muscle. I'd pegged him at 220+, but he checked weight on our scale and was only 208. So now I know what a legit 205lber looks like A whole lot of people in krav maga refuse to step into the muay thai classes at the gym-- the ones that do are at least 6' and 185 pounds. Yesterday I kickboxed a dude who was 6'3 and 230. I'm 5'9 and 160. I'm getting my face beat in. A bit off-topic but I wanted to bitch. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Sep 25, 2011 |
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CaptainScraps posted:A whole lot of people in krav maga refuse to step into the muay thai classes at the gym-- the ones that do are at least 6' and 185 pounds. Yesterday I kickboxed a dude who was 6'3 and 230. Its a terrible cycle because small guys stay out because they don't want to get smashed, but then no small guys will do it because everyone is too big.
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I'm 6'1 and round here I'm the small guy.
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mewse posted:small guys are fast and scary Fast and scary seems to have a steep learning curve. On the plus side, whenever I fight someone near my size, it's like "Haha, I have reach! This is awesome!"
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CaptainScraps posted:On the plus side, whenever I fight someone near my size, it's like "Haha, I have reach! This is awesome!" yeah, guys that abuse their size and reach against you aren't going to be helped when they have to fight someone their own weight
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mewse posted:yeah, guys that abuse their size and reach against you aren't going to be helped when they have to fight someone their own weight So what's a tall guy to do? I'm starting either Judo or BJJ soon, and I've been wondering if I'm going to develop lovely technique because of my size. I'm 6'7"/210.
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don't worry about it, its not like you can change it. just trust your coaches to tell you when they see you using lovely technique
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Prathm posted:So what's a tall guy to do? Like any abnormal body type you will find that you are naturally inclined to some techniques and will be incredibly frustrated learning others.
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Prathm posted:So what's a tall guy to do? If you start judo be ready to cry when you are trying to do a Morote Seoi to a 5'7 guy uhuh. But seriously just do you best and try to pair up with the tallest guys as much as possible. Like Office Sheep said, you'll probably have big advantages for certain techniques (I can see leg sweeps and triangle chokes being so easy to do for you) while others will be incredibly hard for you (Shoulder throws and such)
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Prathm posted:So what's a tall guy to do? Look up "Anton Geesink" and aspire to become him. More seriously, you'll probably find that a lot of hip throws are tough for you, and you have more success with foot sweeps and throws like Haria Goshi.
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If you go with Judo you'll have sweet backwards throws (and a dangerous guard with either martial art), but don't neglect your forward throws because one day you'll come up against someone your height and the chances are they won't be expecting you to be proficient in the forward throws, but you'll find out your strengths pretty quickly anyway. Don't be afraid to do both by the way if money isn't a limiting factor.
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Thoguh posted:Look up "Anton Geesink" and aspire to become him. Jesus. What the hell is that spinning throw he does at 0:06? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqCGypJY6bU
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Probably an uchi mata. Hard to tell from that video.
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yeah, looks like a failed uchi mata followed by a spinning recovery (by tamura). Tall judo players need to work harder to get their hips low on shorter people. Majority of my randori are against taller guys (6'+) and I notice they favour a high collar grip vs shorter people. edit: VVVV could be a failed o guruma too VVVV Bangkero fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Sep 26, 2011 |
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Prathm posted:Jesus. What the hell is that spinning throw he does at 0:06? I think it is either a Haria Goshi or an O Garuma. Tough to tell since the other guy is airborne when the clip starts. O Garuma is what he is stepping in for earlier in the clip though. So that's my guess.
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So I had a really powerful epiphany last night about how to combine my 'judo mind' and 'bjj mind' into a simple/efficient strategy that looks very theoretically sound. Testing starts tonight, so assuming that goes as expected I'll write up something coherent afterward and leave it here for critique- I'm really excited about this!
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First off - thanks for the online retailer advice for gear  I'll be starting doing some fighting here soon. I've yet to meet the coach/trainer guy but I've seen some of his fights on youtube. The guy is on the local SWAT team (captain if I'm not mistaken!) and had a few questions about what I'm seeing. Here are the two clips of his fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVuqshj1bPU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhXVVHv06kM WARNING: TURN OFF YOUR AUDIO OR TURN IT REAL LOW. These are videos from people in the crowd with lots of screaming and such. Basically, this isn't boxing (they're kicking too!) and it's not MMA style as they're not wearing grappling gloves, they're wearing boxing gloves...so...what search terms could I use on youtube to find some more things like this? Also, how would I find out more about local fights like these if I wanted to go see some in person? What kind of training regiment would be suggested to begin preparing? My plan right now is to spend the next two months training and start throwing myself into the ring late December/early January. Advice?
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Winkle-Daddy posted:First off - thanks for the online retailer advice for gear Wow that looked terrible. The word you're looking for is "kickboxing", which is usually done in a ring. K1 was the premier kickboxing org for that last decade or so and will be your best bet for finding more videos of matches on youtube. Don't plan to fight after only 3 months of training. I'm also curious how someone can be a full-time police officer as well as a professional trainer. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Sep 26, 2011 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Wow that looked terrible. Holy poo poo, I honestly had no idea people still call it "kick boxing" or even did that in any organized fashion. But if that's what they're doing, then I'm up for looking more into it. I guess my clue should have been "Well, they're using boxing gloves and kicking.  I mean "trainer" in the sense he runs the training sessions at night a couple of times a week for one of the locations. I actually won't be doing anything with him, but the guys I work with don't have any videos up that I've seen, I stumbled onto these by accident. If you want to get more into this you kind of need to find a trainer. It's a Krav Maga facility first and foremost. Everything else is just platform to better yourself. I am using "trainer" more liberally that I should be, especially given a lot of the people's background on this thread. Back to fighting after three months of training, I guess my train of thought was that I've been doing Krav for almost a year now, working to better myself and get into much better shape, so if I focus on fighting for a couple of months the worst thing that will happen is I'll just lose and learn a bunch.
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Winkle-Daddy posted:Holy poo poo, I honestly had no idea people still call it "kick boxing" or even did that in any organized fashion. But if that's what they're doing, then I'm up for looking more into it. I guess my clue should have been "Well, they're using boxing gloves and kicking. you're planning on sparring with "bas rutten fight club" and you didn't know what kickboxing is? and you want to do a fight in 3 months???? good grief
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