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Thufir posted:
Warrior Hustlers are my shin pads and shoulder pads. That's right, I'm a Hustler.
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I'm 6'1" and I use 14" Bauer Vapors under the tongue. I've been thinking about picking up a new pair of shinguards and trying over the tongue. My ankles look like hell from my skates and I'm wondering if having the tongue less flexible would help them
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Sep 27, 2011 19:07
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6'4 and I use 15" old Easton Z-Air's , over the tongue. Just thought about it and I got a pair of the same shin guards in 14" when I was in Bantams, so I've been using the same kind of shin guard for 10 years, I think I got the 15" around the same time but they were too big then, I still use the 14"s for roller sometimes.
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Sep 27, 2011 19:28
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Rbk 11K KFS at 16' and 6'1 height I do over because having the shin pad under the tongue feels too weird and I find the shin pad actually stabilizes the skate more with it over.
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Sep 27, 2011 19:32
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5'6" and I wear 14" Easton Sealth S1's. I wear the tongue underneath the shin pad. I've tried wearing it over and under, but it just felt right that way.
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Sep 27, 2011 19:53
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D C posted:6'4 and I use 15" old Easton Z-Air's , over the tongue. You must have all your height in your upper body. I have long legs, thus why I wear 15".
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Sep 27, 2011 19:59
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6'4, long legs, old 15" Jofas with no straps because I'm cool like that. Under the tounge.
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Sep 27, 2011 20:07
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5'8 and I use Bauer XXV 13". Under the tongue. Never even thought of trying to put them over. Looking at the image of "what happens when there's a gap..." I don't quite understand how that wouldn't happen even if the shinguards were over the skates - doesn't seem like they would come down that low, anyway?
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Sep 27, 2011 20:29
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Oh and I am an under with some cheap Bauers I think one15s or something
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Sep 27, 2011 20:47
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Habibi posted:5'8 and I use Bauer XXV 13". Under the tongue. Never even thought of trying to put them over. Looking at the image of "what happens when there's a gap..." I don't quite understand how that wouldn't happen even if the shinguards were over the skates - doesn't seem like they would come down that low, anyway? My shinpads literally rest on my feet (well, the tongue of the skate). So there is basically nothing facing forward that isn't covered in plastic, between my pants, shinpads, and toe guards. The top of the foot is protected from skates by your own skate (not the tongue which covers the top, but by the sides of the skates), but a fluke could still get in there. That said, in this way you're minimising the amount of unprotected flesh. The sides and backs have less protection, but that's what the calfwrap is for. If you're doing your job right, the front of the body should be receiving by far the most amount of damage, and the plastic is there to prevent that from causing injury.
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Sep 27, 2011 20:52
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Habibi posted:Looking at the image of "what happens when there's a gap..." I don't quite understand how that wouldn't happen even if the shinguards were over the skates - doesn't seem like they would come down that low, anyway? Well, if you go over you can use longer shin guards, which will seal up a little more space round your upper ankle, as any back/side padding on the guard will extend lower, and nothing will be able to sneak inside the tongue. Getting a skate/puck in there is pretty unlikely, though, so that's a bad reason to switch if you're comfortable with the way you do it now. The bigger issue for me (which is still a pretty minor issue) is that having a shin guard that extends too low inside the tongue limits how tightly I can tie my skates over my upper ankle. I like them pretty snug and having a half inch of pad or so stuck down the back of the tongue limits how tightly I can tie them, because the tongue then pushes out on the top eyelet or two. I'm a pretty conservative D-man, and my game is predicated on positioning and straightaway speed rather than tight turns and quick changes of direction, though. A tight upper ankle is better for power strides. The players who prefer their skates looser in the upper ankle tend to be the shifty forward types who want to be able to move their feet more freely when doing shift forward stuff. Green Submarine fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Sep 27, 2011 |
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Sep 27, 2011 20:56
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I am guilty of being a shifty forward.
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Sep 27, 2011 21:09
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I am guilty of being a shifty forward. I've got my eye on you, mister. Here's another factor to consider in the tongue equation. When little kids play hockey, their parents tend to put their gear on. If you're dealing with a squirming six-year-old, you're going to go for the simplest method possible, and that means skates go on last. So most players who start skating at the mite or squirt level probably start tongues out. When you start putting on your own gear, though, it's harder to tie your skates once you're fully suited up, so that gets moved earlier in the process, creating an opening for change. I have confirmed this with a highly scientific GIS for "mite hockey". My highly non-scientific anecdotal experience is that I only switched from under-tongue to over-tongue when I started buying my own gear, around the beginning of college. So I'd imagine there's an age dimension: younger skaters are more likely to be outies, whereas you'll find more innies as you progress to higher and higher age groups where a) the players have had a chance to make the decision on their own, and b) you have more late starters who don't carry the baggage of the parental suit-up. Green Submarine fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Sep 27, 2011 |
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Sep 27, 2011 21:25
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I'm going to recheck my gap tonight. I'm looking to upgrade to some rbk 9ks soon, ill see how 14s feel.
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Sep 27, 2011 21:29
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Minister Robathan posted:My shinpads literally rest on my feet (well, the tongue of the skate). So there is basically nothing facing forward that isn't covered in plastic, between my pants, shinpads, and toe guards. The top of the foot is protected from skates by your own skate (not the tongue which covers the top, but by the sides of the skates), but a fluke could still get in there. That said, in this way you're minimising the amount of unprotected flesh. drat, I didn't realize people wore them that low. Mine basically rest inside the tongue, right above the last lacehole. Aside from comfort, main reason I wear mine in is (keep in mind this is roller, where friction with the playing surface is much greater) to keep them as securely attached as possible in case I wipe out at high speeds. Given that I've already had a few times where the shinguard shifted during a fall and my knee slammed into the rink floor directly, if they sat over my tongue I can only imagine what sort of shape my knees would be in now.
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Sep 27, 2011 22:23
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6'4" and I wear 17" Reebok 10k's over tongue. I use to wear some other brand in 17" and they where at least 1" shorter.
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Sep 27, 2011 22:39
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Thufir posted:
If you're collecting data, I'm 5'7" and wear 14" Eastons, over the tongue.
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Sep 27, 2011 22:46
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Habibi posted:the shinguard shifted during a fall and my knee slammed into the rink floor I've had this happen on numerous occasions and it does not feel good, especially on ice. Even with taping. Ow.
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Sep 27, 2011 22:54
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I've had this happen on numerous occasions and it does not feel good, especially on ice. Even with taping. Ow. The worst part (at least in my experience) is that it doesn't hurt too bad at first.. then a few hours later your knee doesn't want to bend anymore. You try and it's all "gently caress you buddy, here have some pain". It seems like it takes forever for the soreness to fade completely. I have no idea how figure skaters deal with it, those guys are nuts.
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Sep 27, 2011 23:11
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I've had this happen on numerous occasions and it does not feel good, especially on ice. Even with taping. Ow. "Not feel good" is a loving understatement. The first time this ever happened to me as as a teenager playing on concrete, going full-speed on a straightaway when my skate clipped a pebble - my shinguard hit the ground first and, what with concrete and all, stopped moving while the rest of me kept going forward. Result: Nerve damage - I have a .5" radius area on my right knee, just above the cap, that, whenever you touch it, feels like it's being touched after having fallen asleep (ie: like you're touching it through several layers of clothing). Thankfully that was the only consequence. Could very easily have cracked or broken something. So, yeah, that's why shinguards go inside. 
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Sep 27, 2011 23:18
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I had a similar thing happen with my bony loving elbow and a lovely elbow pad, basically just hit my elbow onto the ice from 4 feet up with all my weight behind it. Now my elbow feels weird whenever it rests on something for too long, but again it's so goddamn bony that it hits and touches virtually everything and is super irritating. Still haven't bought new elbow pads, haven't found anything yet with enough cushion to make it worthwhile.
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Sep 27, 2011 23:27
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5'9"-5'10" wearing Bauer 14" over the tongue
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Sep 27, 2011 23:37
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Still 6'7". Ran out to my truck to check out my pads: 15" Eastons. I don't really pay attention to whether they are tucked over or under...maybe because they are too short for me. Gotta take a look at Thursday's game.
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Sep 28, 2011 06:04
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Green Submarine posted:I've got my eye on you, mister. I really wanna agree with this, but the change definitely starts happening earlier. It's sorta similar to the sock in our out question, except in this case it has to do with protection as opposed to looking cool. As in, I know guys that put their shinpads inside their skates, but, tuck their socks around their skates (in front as well as in back). These guys do it for looks, whereas most of the players that tuck the tongues in do it for protection (or comfort, maybe?) as opposed to looks. E: an edit here is necessary, maybe. in tykes (mites, whatever) everyone is done up, the same way, shinpads in, likely for the reasons you stated. But as you get older, the way everyone starts to do their shinpads up changes, sometimes there's a good reason, sometimes, not so much. Hell sometimes the guys that tuck the tongues in also wrap their socks around the back of the skate, I dunno. Minister Robathan fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Sep 28, 2011 |
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Sep 28, 2011 06:20
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Haha I am so hosed tonight. Worked over 12 hours yesterday, got home and had a quick bite to eat and went to bed but could not get to sleep until 12:30. Woke up at 4:30 to go back in to work, I might have time for a 1 hour nap at lunch but otherwise I'll be working until ~6:30 when I leave to go straight to a 7:30 hockey game. Aside from drinking a lot of water and popping a 5-hour energy on the drive over, any other suggestions on how to keep my body alive tonight?
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Sep 28, 2011 16:42
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Pleads posted:Haha I am so hosed tonight. Runner's World printed a study a few years ago on sleep deprivation and it's effect on athletic performance. They had athletes not sleep for 48 hours then run a marathon. They found no connection between sleep deprivation and a drop in athletic performance. I use this study to remind myself that it's all in my head and as long as I'm not overdoing it physically (working out with no recovery time) then I will be fine. I don't think you have a thing to worry about, besides passing out at the bar afterward if you go out for beers.
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Sep 28, 2011 16:45
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I usually don't get much more sleep than 4-5 hours each night anyways, but working so long has me stressed out and my muscles already feel like jello which is where most of my concern is coming from. Do you know of any studies that compare high-stress people versus chill dudes?
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Sep 28, 2011 16:49
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Minister Robathan posted:I really wanna agree with this, but the change definitely starts happening earlier. It's sorta similar to the sock in our out question, except in this case it has to do with protection as opposed to looking cool. As in, I know guys that put their shinpads inside their skates, but, tuck their socks around their skates (in front as well as in back). These guys do it for looks, whereas most of the players that tuck the tongues in do it for protection (or comfort, maybe?) as opposed to looks. I don't think we're in disagreement, really. You've pointed out factors that explain (a) which I omitted. I didn't mean to imply that my decision to switch from under to over in my late teens was the ordinary time to do so, just that as players get older, they're more likely to think about it consciously, where as parents usually just tie the skates last and don't think about it, which would skew younger players, or players who started playing earlier, more in the under direction on a statistical level.
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Sep 28, 2011 16:54
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Pleads posted:Haha I am so hosed tonight. Worked over 12 hours yesterday, got home and had a quick bite to eat and went to bed but could not get to sleep until 12:30. Woke up at 4:30 to go back in to work, I might have time for a 1 hour nap at lunch but otherwise I'll be working until ~6:30 when I leave to go straight to a 7:30 hockey game. Stretch a fair amount beforehand. While you're doing that, visualize playing well (what you'll do in the corners, catching all kinds of passes perfectly, breakaways, etc) . Hydrate (no caffeine). You do those three things and you'll be fine.
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Sep 28, 2011 17:01
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Sep 28, 2011 17:10
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Thufir posted:This one need a nice, big, red line of best fit. It would also be really cool to see fit lines for the over data vs. the under data, but I'm not sure if we have enough data points for it to be significant yet.
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Sep 28, 2011 17:14
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No one can ever again say that hockey players aren't smart.  It was interesting to see that sizing between brands seems pretty consistent.
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Sep 28, 2011 17:15
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xzzy posted:No one can ever again say that hockey players aren't smart.
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Sep 28, 2011 17:39
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19 o'clock posted:Runner's World printed a study a few years ago on sleep deprivation and it's effect on athletic performance. They had athletes not sleep for 48 hours then run a marathon. They found no connection between sleep deprivation and a drop in athletic performance. I use this study to remind myself that it's all in my head and as long as I'm not overdoing it physically (working out with no recovery time) then I will be fine.
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Sep 28, 2011 17:40
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Habibi posted:But that's purely physical. I think once you throw in a mental component like you find in sports (vs just performing a repetitive physical activity) that lack of sleep is going to make you a physically unaffected sportretard. I think this is definitely true, the big problem for me with being exhausted going into a game isn't the physical aspect, but making all the calls you need to make to get to the right spot on the ice in a given situation. A tenth of a second doesn't seem like much, but it is the difference between being in the right place at the right time, and being out of position.
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Sep 28, 2011 17:54
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Habibi posted:But that's purely physical. I think once you throw in a mental component like you find in sports (vs just performing a repetitive physical activity) that lack of sleep is going to make you a physically unaffected sportretard. I agree. Also running is a little different than skating and pivoting and passing and looking and making plays and everything else involved in hockey. Part of me says that over-thinking things could be worse than relying on my muscle memory, but I haven't figured out my perfect formula for success anyways.
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Sep 28, 2011 18:29
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also that study had people run a marathon. how many of you are athletes that could run a marathon even with plenty of rest? i wouldn't automatically assume that your average joe hockey player could not sleep for 2 days and then play perfectly well.
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Sep 28, 2011 19:29
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If I had been awake for 48 hours I would have even extra motivation to finish the marathon more quickly in order to get the scientists off my back so I could get a fuckin nap.
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Sep 28, 2011 21:09
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Hoping somebody could help me out with a roller hockey question (I could've sworn there was a dedicated thread at one point but I couldn't find it anywhere in SAS, so I apologize if I missed it). I want to get a pair of skates, preferably Missions since that's what I used to have and I liked them. My problem is that I haven't been able to find a nearby skate shop to actually try them on, so I'm gonna likely have to order online. My shoe size is a 13, and my hockey skates are an 11.5 or a 12, but after googling some sizing charts it seems a size 13 shoe would be comparable to a size 13 Mission - not what I expected given how regular hockey skates tend to fit. So my question is, does anyone have experience with the brand who can tell me what type of fit to expect (i.e. will a 13 mission fit my 13 foot), or even if I should be looking at another brand? Haven't played roller in forever so I'm pretty ignorant as to what's good these days. Huge thanks to anybody that can help.
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Sep 28, 2011 23:20
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bronson17 posted:Hoping somebody could help me out with a roller hockey question (I could've sworn there was a dedicated thread at one point but I couldn't find it anywhere in SAS, so I apologize if I missed it). I want to get a pair of skates, preferably Missions since that's what I used to have and I liked them. My problem is that I haven't been able to find a nearby skate shop to actually try them on, so I'm gonna likely have to order online. My shoe size is a 13, and my hockey skates are an 11.5 or a 12, but after googling some sizing charts it seems a size 13 shoe would be comparable to a size 13 Mission - not what I expected given how regular hockey skates tend to fit. This is the dedicated roller and ice hockey thread. when I played roller, I wore Mission skates and I wore a 9D skate. I wear a 10.5 shoe. I hope that helps. Places like Inlinewarehouse.com usually have a skate return policy, so if you order from them and the skates don't fit, you don't have to worry about being out a bunch of money. Just make sure you bake them once you get them. That will really help mold them to your feet.
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