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Xguard86 posted:He does something shady, or hurts somebody in basically ever MMA or grappling fight hes involved in. At what point do people say, "hey, this guy is an rear end in a top hat", and do something about it? I think hes not so innocent and knowingly pushes the rules for his benefit and pulls the Lenny with the rabbit act when hes called out for it. This is why the Marquardt fight was so satisfying for me.
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In other flagrant cheating news apparently Monson got dqed from the absolute for greasing himself. His grappling career has really gone down the tubes lately.
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Sep 26, 2011 20:44
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How do the judges detect 'greasing'? Wouldn't the greasing affect his grappling too?
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His opponent waved the ref over, the ref felt his back and then escorted him over to the judges and they talked and then he just kind of left. Once again, it was super early and I was a little out of it so I missed some things, but it appears he greased up only his back, which would be logical since that would sabotage opponents but not really affect his performance. It looked like they tried to towel it off too, but maybe that was some kind of check to see if it was greased or just sweat. This was my first ADCC to watch start to finish and I have two questions for guys more plugged into the competitive scene: 1st: I felt like I was watching a sambo match half the time. Is all the leglocking just an ADCC thing or is it common everywhere? I know 50/50 is big and all that stuff is popular right now, but I didn't realize the extent to which it was practiced. I felt like a lot of the guys weren't even looking for top or mount, but rather just trying to entangle their lower bodies and look for leg submissions before their opponent could get their legs under control. I know its ADCC and not bjj, but I felt like I was watching a whole different sport. 2nd: Why the hell were the mats so small and slippery? There was constant starting and stopping, and a lot of positional wrangling that was very amateurish. It also got that one guy's knee, Avalon(?) destroyed when they put him back in the center with Tree Stump firmly in control of his leg. Xande got taken down and fell out of bounds and was holding his knee after it slammed into what appeared to be naked cement, what if he had been forced to retire from the tournament due to knee injury? The Renzo Sperry fight was also really impeded by the mat surface becoming a freaking slip and slide. If this is the biggest, most prestigious grappling tournament in the world, why the hell can't they get something that basic and fundamental right? They needed to double that red warning area, use a material that can deal with sweat, and install clear rules for restarting matches, including not putting guys right into a submission hold on a restart.
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Xguard86 posted:including not putting guys right into a submission hold on a restart. As somebody who has been hosed by "wait wait you're not in the middle, come back here and get all the way in this triangle you were halfway out of", they need to stop loving resetting people in submissions.
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Xguard86 posted:1st: I felt like I was watching a sambo match half the time. Is all the leglocking just an ADCC thing or is it common everywhere? I know 50/50 is big and all that stuff is popular right now, but I didn't realize the extent to which it was practiced. Leglocks are very common in pretty much any no-gi competition, although from the sounds of things there were notably more this year than in previous ADCCs. That is probably partially because of the specific competitors involved (you get Lister, Toquinho and Avellan in the same competition and you're going to see a lot of leg attacks). quote:I felt like a lot of the guys weren't even looking for top or mount, but rather just trying to entangle their lower bodies and look for leg submissions before their opponent could get their legs under control. I know its ADCC and not bjj, but I felt like I was watching a whole different sport. You'd probably see much the same thing in BJJ competitions these days if it weren't for the IBJJF's retarded reaping rules. quote:2nd: Why the hell were the mats so small and slippery? There was constant starting and stopping, and a lot of positional wrangling that was very amateurish. It also got that one guy's knee, Avalon(?) destroyed when they put him back in the center with Tree Stump firmly in control of his leg. I believe that ADCC works with local grappling promoters for the setup specifics (I know they worked with Grapplers Quest when they were in Jersey) so this sort of thing can vary. It sounds like they might not have made the best choice this time around.
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fatherdog posted:I believe that ADCC works with local grappling promoters for the setup specifics (I know they worked with Grapplers Quest when they were in Jersey) so this sort of thing can vary. It sounds like they might not have made the best choice this time around. Between your fondness of Jersey fighters and this quote, are you from Jersey? Do you know any good places in NJ to train?
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Between your fondness of Jersey fighters and this quote, are you from Jersey? Do you know any good places in NJ to train? There are about a million good places in Jersey to train. Where specifically are you located?
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fatherdog posted:There are about a million good places in Jersey to train. Where specifically are you located? A bit outside Freehold? ZIP is 08535.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:A bit outside Freehold? ZIP is 08535. I think Brunswick BJJ, Ricardo Almeida's place, and the Holmdel Renzo Gracie academy are all like a half hour from you. And Kevin Mulhall runs a place in Sayreville with pretty good muay thai instruction although their grappling is no great shakes.
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Xguard86 posted:Words I basically agree with everything Fatherdog said, but I'd also add that independent of rules variations your less likely to see guys looking for stuff like mount no gi than you are in gi. I hardly train no gi, so I could be totally wrong, but based on watching stuff like the last two ADCC's and other high level no gi competition(stuff like the no gi worlds, grapplers quest pro divisions etc) I think it's safe to say your going to see a lot more leg locks and upper body chokes(that is to say guillotines, north south, darce etc and not triangles) in nogi than you are with the gi. And you're going to see way more mount attacks and armbars(and kimuras/americanas/omoplatas for that matter) in the gi than you are without. Even though I started to notice these trends years ago, this years ADCC has really driven it home to me. As a result I plan to train a lot more no gi and to start to explore stuff like Marcelo's guillotine and the leg lock game. edit: Also wrestling. Almost all of the semifinalists and finalists were among, if not the best wrestlers in there division. dokomoy fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Sep 26, 2011 |
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Sep 26, 2011 22:17
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fatherdog posted:I think Brunswick BJJ, Ricardo Almeida's place, and the Holmdel Renzo Gracie academy are all like a half hour from you. And Kevin Mulhall runs a place in Sayreville with pretty good muay thai instruction although their grappling is no great shakes. Do you know how Ricardo's place is about the whole Gracie thing? It seems like some places are hit or miss about the whole 'you must wear our gis and buy our tee shirts' whereas some just pay them lip service. Hamilton is really easy for me to get to, so it'd be a good place to check out.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Do you know how Ricardo's place is about the whole Gracie thing? It seems like some places are hit or miss about the whole 'you must wear our gis and buy our tee shirts' whereas some just pay them lip service. Hamilton is really easy for me to get to, so it'd be a good place to check out. iirc you get a free gi when you sign up. I see guys wearing non-school gis on occasion so they're not banned, I've personally never bothered buying a different one because I don't pay a lot of attention to gis.
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fatherdog posted:iirc you get a free gi when you sign up. I see guys wearing non-school gis on occasion so they're not banned, I've personally never bothered buying a different one because I don't pay a lot of attention to gis. are you frankie edgar, this is important
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Xguard86 posted:His opponent waved the ref over, the ref felt his back and then escorted him over to the judges and they talked and then he just kind of left. Once again, it was super early and I was a little out of it so I missed some things, but it appears he greased up only his back, which would be logical since that would sabotage opponents but not really affect his performance. It looked like they tried to towel it off too, but maybe that was some kind of check to see if it was greased or just sweat. I was thinking it might just have been tiger balm that he applied and misjudged the time it was left til his next fight. I know that poo poo's hard as gently caress to get rid of before it's dried in. And then he gave up and walked away knowing he'd hosed up and there was nothing he could do. Maybe that's just me though, I have a hard time believing people would grease up somewhere as noticeable as your lower back, it's not as if you'd ever get away with it? In anecdotal news, this was my first major grappling tournament that I went to and it was bizarre seeing all these famous, amazing grapplers just walking around the arena among mortals. I took a piss next to Jeff Monson, moved aside on my bench to let Jacare and Luanna get past me and saw Bustamante countless times. After a while you even get a bit jaded about the whole thing like seeing Roger Gracie buying some water two meters from you is just a Sunday like any other. It was all amazing fun. Opal fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 26, 2011 |
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Sep 26, 2011 22:52
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Xguard86 posted:
because it is a meaningless tournament because arona wasn't involved
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Tim Boetsch might not have even had the best throw of the weekend. https://vimeo.com/29601155 (Leo Viera vs Enricco Coco)
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The best throw was Palhares' first or second fight when his turtle defense (I think) was simply standing up, launching another grown man into the air.
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Just wanted to make a post about reminding anyone who runs a school or who trains to make sure their club practices proper hygine. I'm just getting over a Staph infection that I undoubtedly picked up from training. I'm an extremely cautious dude, I wear a rashguard, long sleeve and shorts (no gi) under my t shirt and shorts and I shower once at the gym and again when I get home. There's plenty of websites that have guides to what to look for but if you notice something that looks like a pimple but gets much more painful, warm to the touch and bigger within 24-48 hours after a training session get your rear end to a doctors as soon as you can. I went from something roughly the size of pen nib to a hole that they packed gauze the size of a coaster into in that time. I got hosed around a little bit due to a doctor insisting it was just an infected hair follicle, given the wrong anti-biotics and told I just had cellulitis. At this point in time I had a fever and couldn't walk at all on my left leg. I ended up having two shots of penicillan in my rear end, a course of Keflex and other treatments to cure the cellulitis before pathology results (I insisted they get) told them what I'd been afraid of. By that time I had to have an ultra-sound on my knee to check if it had spread since the initial infection was just under my knee on my calf. I've just had my first day back at work, my energy levels still haven't returned to normal, I haven't been able to have a beer for 2.5 weeks and I've spent all but the last three days unable to sit up, walk or do anything without discomfort. I got told by my docs I was lucky the infection wasn't far worse after the first doctors missed it as staph and pathology took over three days to tell me what it was. According to them it was only because I've got a high level of fitness and really solid dietary intake my immune system was pretty resistent. Not a lot of fun and to be honest it's pretty loving terrifying to go from walking with some slight muscle pain to being in agony in the space of about 3 hours. The treatment isn't a lot of fun either. To speed up the process they have to remove as much of the core of the infection as possible, this is done by lancing and then squeezing the pus out by hand without anesthetic. They then stuff it with gauze, stick a dressing on it and tell you to come back the next day for more fun. The after effects are pretty hosed too, I've had to wash everything in my house with hot water and anti-bacterial washes, have to be careful wearing gloves when changing dressings, cleaning my hands before and after with special soaps etc so I don't infect my eyes, sinus and other body parts. Truly loving lame. All because the gym I go to got lazy with their cleaning practices. When my wound finally heals (staph now clear) it'll probably be 3-4 weeks since I've been able to train, almost $500.00 in medical expenses and just under 2 weeks of missed work. BlindSite fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Sep 27, 2011 |
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And everyone told me I was crazy for taking bleach baths. This poo poo is for real.
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BlindSite posted:When my wound finally heals (staph now clear) it'll probably be 3-4 weeks since I've been able to train, almost $500.00 in medical expenses and just under 2 weeks of missed work. Yikes, that's no fun. Sounds like you did everything right to prevent it from happening, too. Clean your mats!
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tesilential posted:And everyone told me I was crazy for taking bleach baths. This poo poo is for real. be careful with that. Killing off the non harmful bacteria on your skin may make it easier for the bad kind to spread. I'm not a doctor and I don't think anyone really knows but it may be bad to be too clean. Another thing: If you have suspected staph, tell the doctor that you participate in a contact sport and the odds of infection are much higher. I had an ingrown hair on my knee that freaked me out, the doctor said it was no big deal but I insisted he get it cultured to be sure. It turned out OK, but if it wasn't I would have been in BlindSide's situation or worse. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Sep 27, 2011 |
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Xguard86 posted:be careful with that. Killing off the non harmful bacteria on your skin may make it easier for the bad kind to spread. You're confusing skin with intestines. Edit: A medical mobn Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Sep 27, 2011 |
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colonel_korn posted:at least cooler heads prevailed and we didn't get a repeat of the Ricardo Arona Pancrase match What I've always loved about this video is that a soon as Arona perceives he may be in a fighting scenario, his hands go down and wide and his head perfectly upright, chin exposed for all the world.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:You're confusing skin with intestines. No he's right actually. The skin has a normal flora just like the intestines that helps keep unusual and unwelcome bacteria from invading. Clear out the normal flora and it may be recolonized with something different. Staph clearing protocol in my hospital involves antibiotic ointment in the nose, as anyone with long term staph aureus colonization has it all up in their nares and if you clean the skin it just comes back.
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Yeah, regularly bathing in bleach or showering several times a day probably isn't very good for you. You're wearing down your horny layer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratum_corneum
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Xguard86 posted:I still stand by my theory that he is a murderous sociopath that has coldly perfected his "simple-apeman" act so he won't be banned from competition for destroying people's legs. Gonna have to disagree about Imanari. Of the people who's leg's Imanari has destroyed, per you, who have stopped competing? Consider that out of Imanari's matches in the last 3 years, only 2 have been won by any kind of leglock. Looking at Imanari's matches between Gurgel and Silva (probably the most notable of his leg locks) they both seem to hold the common theme that his opponents were trying to turn out of a heel hook, and were stopped by the cage. Imanari vs. Silva Imanari vs. Gurgel Also in both of those cases Imanari holds the same pressure constant until the referree comes overs over to verify that his opponent is tapping. He's not maliciously ripping it out like say Royce Gracie vs. Jason DeLucia. Imanari vs. Osawa Imanari let's go as the ref intervenes and does not particulary crank this. Imanari vs. Brown Imanari is attacking with a heel hook. His opponent sprains his knee, falls backward, Imanari turns with him. His opponent dislocates his knee. While the heel hook did contribute it was not the cause. BlindSite posted:Hygiene 1. Instructor said they would get around to mopping the mat and bathrooms (I've seen lots of people use the bathroom barefoot) the following day and not doing so. 2. Gis going unwashed more than once a week, hanging around, stenching the place up. 3. Air flow? gently caress that, crank up the heater and close the door in a corrugated metal building for a summer smoker. 4. People not being good about washing their hands before practice. Or just spritzing their hands after using the bathroom. Take the time to wash your hands properly you fucks! Senor P. fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Sep 28, 2011 |
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Bohemian Nights posted:Yeah, regularly bathing in bleach or showering several times a day probably isn't very good for you. You're wearing down your horny layer. Yeah I imagine it would be pretty bad for you long term. I actually haven't done it in years since I had the MRSA infections.
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Senor P. posted:Pretty sure it has been a while since Imanari has done a grappling competition. I think its just a case of the mats not getting cleaned when they were meant to be whether it was an isolated occurance or not I don't know. Could've been someone in class having the infection or generally being a filthy bastard already because where it is its right where you make body contact when closing your guard and I do no gi at the moment.
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OK, good evidence, Imanari is not a war criminal.
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fwiw, Mike Brown actually stated explicitly that Imanari breaking his leg was his own fault, because he had time to tap but didn't because he was still trying to escape.
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Another Ryan Hall interview I don't think anyone has posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSDUVkY-OMk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwv-xlvUX0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KieHOnkinrY&feature=related I was interested that he wanted to fight MMA; I wouldn't have picked him as someone who'd want to make the transition.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyPTQYKnrts&hd=1
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I can watch Corey Hill's leg snap all day but watching that video made me want to throw up. gently caress heights, those dudes are crazy.
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Keys to winning ADCC: 1. Don't train at all for the 6 months preceding it. 2. Sit there with your arms crossed outside the mats watching people work and devising new leg locks. 3. Three weeks before maybe start rolling a little bit, but not enough to break a sweat. 4. Sorta stop drinking two weeks before (down to only two days a week). 5. World Champion??? I know I get alot of crap about saying how good Dean is and how much he doesn't work at all. But the dude literally put in no work and won his weight class.
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Mardragon posted:Keys to winning ADCC: gently caress you Dean Lister
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