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Oct 2, 2011 05:29
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That was a pretty bad rear end first episode. Really couldn't wait to watch this and pretty much met my expectations.
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Oct 2, 2011 07:10
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The best part of Carnival Phantasm is the Alleyway Alliance. It is my greatest lamentation in life that I can't find any way of getting their pose animation to fit SA avatar restrictions. But yeah, that first episode was really good, especially for something that was 99% set-up. Endorph fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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Oct 2, 2011 08:01
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Endorph posted:The best part of Carnival Phantasm is the Alleyway Alliance. It is my greatest lamentation in life that I can't find any way of getting their pose animation to fit SA avatar restrictions. The Alleyway Alliance bits are probably the most consistently funny. Which was within my calculations.
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Oct 2, 2011 14:15
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I was impressed with the first episode: glad I've got something to watch this season. I'd love to see Heaven's Feel animated, or at least Unlimited Blade Works. F/SN was a trainwreck of an anime. VVedit: When did that happen? 
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Oct 2, 2011 14:35
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Umm, Unlimited Blade Works WAS animated. As a movie. Nice animation in the fight scenes and also, no terrible CGI dragons. We've moved to CGI dolphins. 
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One and the Same posted:VVedit: When did that happen? Looks like it released in January of last year. Don't know if it was any good since I didn't bother checking it out.
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As far as I know the F/SN movie was pretty much 100% fight scenes with none of the plot or exposition for them to make any sense.
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Manyorcas posted:As far as I know the F/SN movie was pretty much 100% fight scenes with none of the plot or exposition for them to make any sense. It was basically a movie for people who have played the route in the visual novel and wanted to see the numerous (awesome) fight scenes animated. It moves really quick from one action set-piece to another. So yeah, you are correct about that. The first episode was fantastic, I'm actually really glad they had a double-length first episode to fit in all the set-up. It's weird how a first episode could be considered 'bad rear end' when it was all exposition and dialogue, but it works and I can't wait to see more. edit: VVVV They really were mediocre, really forgettable and without the emotion and motivations behind some of the fights they feel really empty. Rueish fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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Oct 2, 2011 18:02
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And the fight scenes weren't even very good.
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Sindai posted:And the fight scenes weren't even very good. Understatement.  The UBW movie was one of the most god-awful anime I've ever seen.
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A very weird first episode - I would have expected it either to concentrate on all the Masters or just one, but unless I'm mistaken we didn't see either Lancer or Caster being summoned. (I've avoided the novels, so please don't spoil this too hard if I'm wrong.) I was disappointed with the episode being all build-up, but I suppose frontloading it all isn't too bad, although infodumping the Grail War setup is an odd choice for something that spoils  . Waver and Kariya also seemed nice enough, but this is the Nasuverse so I wonder how long that'll last. LittleRin was great, though.One line raised a geeky Nasuverse question, though. During the discussion of Kotomine's backstory, the characters seemed to distinguish between "the Church" and "the Holy Church". Is this why the Nasuverse Church seems so unrealistic - they refer to part of it as the whole? Or is it just mistranslation? (Edit: I understood that they were talking about the Eighth Sacrament; what I meant was, when Nasustuff talks about "the Church", does it always refer to the Eighth Sacrament rather than the Church itself?) jonjonaug posted:Lancer's lovely luck strikes again. Safety Biscuits fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 2, 2011 |
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House Louse posted:LittleRin was great, though. 
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Hey, the Emiya/Archer fight was pretty cool in the movie. The rest was pretty forgettable, sadly.
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About Waver and his motivation, it's more detailed in the novel if I remember right but you have to keep in mind that he's constantly looked down on for something out of his control. It's not so much arrogance as it is frustration; he is indeed a very brilliant young magus who works hard, but he's never acknowledged for any of that because he doesn't come from an old family of mages and now he just got publicly humiliated by an rear end in a top hat of a teacher for it. (He is kinda arrogant though that's just not the main driving force here)
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House Louse posted:One line raised a geeky Nasuverse question, though. During the discussion of Kotomine's backstory, the characters seemed to distinguish between "the Church" and "the Holy Church". Is this why the Nasuverse Church seems so unrealistic - they refer to part of it as the whole? Or is it just mistranslation? House Louse posted:Lancer's lovely luck strikes again.
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Sledeau posted:Hey, the Emiya/Archer fight was pretty cool in the movie. The rest was pretty forgettable, sadly. Yeah, Shirou vs. Archer and Shirou vs. Gilgamesh were both pretty well done (even if Shirou's UBW was cut a little short) even if the rest was mediocre. And yeah, you pretty much have to go frame-by-frame to notice most of the lovely animation in UBW, it's pretty nice-looking if you don't.
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I have no idea who the chariot guy is, but he is already my favorite character.
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Serious Frolicking posted:I have no idea who the chariot guy is, but he is already my favorite character. An excellent choice if you ask me =)
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WickedIcon posted:Yeah, Shirou vs. Archer and Shirou vs. Gilgamesh were both pretty well done (even if Shirou's UBW was cut a little short) even if the rest was mediocre. In terms of animation, they were good, but they strayed from the story in some pretty offensively major ways. I really prefer the earlier fights, because they follow the actual outline of the fight in the VN. As for the first episode of Zero, it was everything I was hoping for. The pacing was good, it gave all the info, the animation looked good even with the quality on niconico. My high expectations have been met so far.
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It was very much a setup episode. We'll see how it goes once they have to animate something more taxing than a basement full of worms and a bunch of talking heads.
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Somewhat on topic: New ad for Carnival Phantasm! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGB8xzPd3A
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I love how much more personality the characters have than like 90% of F/SN's cast, even just 45 minutes in. The episode was a little heavy on the infodumping, though. I guess it's better if they get it all out of the way at once instead of constantly stopping the action to explain the rules of the Nasuverse.
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jonjonaug posted:Somewhat on topic: New ad for Carnival Phantasm! Looks like Saber Alter will be making an appearance this season too.
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Had high hopes for this show, so far it's more than living up to them. Totally looking forward to next episode when we should start to get some Rider action going, because he's a strong contender for coolest character in the Nasuverse, and is voiced by Akio Ohtsuka, aka Batou/Solid Snake/Blackbeard. I only ever read the first two novels or so before I got blocked by slow translation. I wonder if I should go back and finish them or wait and eat the spoilers from the anime instead. In any event, keep in mind how few of these characters show up in Fate/Stay Night ten years later. Gonna be a bloodbath Tomino'd be proud of.
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Bakanogami posted:Had high hopes for this show, so far it's more than living up to them. Totally looking forward to next episode when we should start to get some Rider action going, because he's a strong contender for coolest character in the Nasuverse, and is voiced by Akio Ohtsuka, aka Batou/Solid Snake/Blackbeard. Put it this way, the author says in the endword to novel 2 and novel 1 that "This will be a depressing end," and "How many of these friends will die," and it... Its like what if Happy Tomino wrote like Sad Tomino. The novels are glorious and you should read them.
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:The Alleyway Alliance bits are probably the most consistently funny. Which was within my calculations. speaking of which, did anybody go to that website and vote for the next episode? I did a while back when it was open. I think they polls were leaning on the epic fail date everyone scenario.
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This anime is my first foray into the Fate/Whatever series, and I have to say that I feel really wierded out by the whole "class" system. It feels kinda gamey, which is in big contrast with the tone of the series. Sort of like... Madoka with Hit Points or something. I am willing to roll with it, though. The series shows promise.
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Rexides posted:This anime is my first foray into the Fate/Whatever series, and I have to say that I feel really wierded out by the whole "class" system. It feels kinda gamey, which is in big contrast with the tone of the series. Sort of like... Madoka with Hit Points or something. In the VN, the protagonist sees power levels and skill explanations like an RPG menu, so it seems to be a shtick Nasu went with. Here's Saber's as an example, not sure if that's the complete one though since I haven't beaten any of the routes yet and that's from my save file. Doesn't reveal anything that the OP of this thread didn't, but I'd rather keep it in a link anyways.
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Yeah, pretty much, though those stats end up amounting to nothing given how everyone has game-breaking abilities anyways. F/SN's Lancer's never-miss critical attack always comes to mind given his tendency to lose.
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Wait, what? F/SN is a visual novel, right? You read text and occasionally click on text and that's all, right? Why the hell bring stats into this if it's not actually an RPG? And even make them an in-world element instead of a metagame one? Man, I feel really disappointed right now, but the first episode has earned the series a three-episode test, at least... Rexides fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 4, 2011 |
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Allarion posted:Yeah, pretty much, though those stats end up amounting to nothing given how everyone has game-breaking abilities anyways. F/SN's Lancer's never-miss critical attack always comes to mind given his tendency to lose. The grades are especially silly since Saber's normal sword is listed as Rank C, but when she pulls it out as Excalibur it goes through the loving roof to A++. FS/N's Lancer is bound to lose anyways if just due to that silly rear end jumpsuit he's stuck with. EDIT: Rexides posted:Wait, what? F/SN is a visual novel, right? You read text and occasionally click on text and that's all, right? Why the hell bring stats into this if it's not actually an RPG? And even make them an in-world element instead of a metagame one? It's how Shirou sees them, since it's a familiar format to him. Rin might see them as different brands of tea, or Kiritsugu might seem them like calibers of ammo. Shirou is just a big nerd who sees them like RPG menus. 
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The game thing is kinda wonky but does it seriously ruin the show to you? EDIT: And yeah, Rin explicitly states that the stats thing is just a way of making things simple for the person reading the book thing that shows them. Shirou's a nerd, and most people reading the VN probably understand RPG stats, so that's the way things go. Endorph fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 4, 2011 |
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Rexides posted:Wait, what? F/SN is a visual novel, right? You read text and occasionally click on text and that's all, right? Why the hell bring stats into this if it's not actually an RPG? And even make them an in-world element instead of a metagame one? Nothing in the Fate universe is going to be another Madoka. The whole setting is all goofy power levels and needlessly complicated systems of magic from the beginning -- it basically is an RPG, just being played by somebody other than the viewer.
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It's not like the RPG stats are literally used within the story, as in a character exclaiming "I know I can dodge, his Special Attack is only ranked C+ !" There are a few offhand comments by some of the characters about how they view their servants' attributes, but other than that it's just some fun little RPG stuff for fans to read and sperg out about.
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Nate RFB posted:It's not like the RPG stats are literally used within the story, as in a character exclaiming "I know I can dodge, his Special Attack is only ranked C+ !" Except yeah, they are. "He must have a Noble Phantasm that blocks any attack below A rank!"
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Nate RFB posted:It's not like the RPG stats are literally used within the story, as in a character exclaiming "I know I can dodge, his Special Attack is only ranked C+ !" There are a few offhand comments by some of the characters about how they view their servants' attributes, but other than that it's just some fun little RPG stuff for fans to read and sperg out about. Pretty sure Saber says, with rank lettering, why she can't hurt Berserker, as well as other possible instances I probably haven't seen yet.
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That's weird, I'd been convinced of that for years. Though if it was in Fate that'd make sense since I read that a long time ago.
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sentrygun posted:Pretty sure Saber says, with rank lettering, why she can't hurt Berserker, as well as other possible instances I probably haven't seen yet.
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