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It's funny he killed off Kevan but didn't take a real risk. It really would have taught Dany a lesson if the dragons had burned the city to the ground, decimated her armies and, oh, let's say eaten Daario. Instead they just sort of leave and Drogon dumps a free army on her, apparently. Old, decisive GRRM would have done that. Red Wedding GRRM would have done that. New GRRM shat out a meandering pile of crap to get his editor off his back so he could go back to watching football.
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On the other hand, in Clash of Kings he resolved the two major sieges pretty much exactly the same (lazy) way (suddenly, a surprise army from behind!).
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Oct 4, 2011 14:41
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Yes, but those armies were  and these armies sit around and don't anything and there are guys who fight on stilts and the third grossly fat character to appear in the same book.Part of the letdown, I think, is that everything that isn't knights and horsies sucks. He does psuedomedieval and psuedomongol very well, everything else is really boring and uninteresting despite his attempts to make it exotic and weird.
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Oct 4, 2011 14:58
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Ambiguatron posted:Yes, but those armies were I really enjoy the setting of Dany's (mis)adventures despite the recently bland storytelling.
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Oct 4, 2011 15:07
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Ross posted:I really enjoy the setting of Dany's (mis)adventures despite the recently bland storytelling. For an entire book though? Update: Dany takes her bunny ears off in a huff, stamps her feet because she doesn't want dwarves eaten by lions (ENOUGH OF THE loving COCK TEASES ALREADY), and her loose adolescent dragon gets all pissy. She's carried up in the air on his back, looking forward to a good shat I imagine. Mood: optimistic.
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Oct 4, 2011 15:29
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My problem with the setting of Dany's adventures once she stops conquering poo poo is played straight. With Westeros, all of the aspects of society are thoroughly examined. Knighthood, religion, the political structure, all of it had been pulled apart and there are shades of gray. The slaver aristocracy are just a bunch of cartoonishly evil stereotypical oriental despots and it grates on my nerves.
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Oct 4, 2011 15:32
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Ambiguatron posted:Yes, but those armies were His mongols aren't that great to be honest. It's just that back when Gurm was actually trying or had some idea what he was doing with this series they saw enough fighting, raping, and plot movement to be entertaining. If you drill down past that at all they're just a 2 dimensional racist caricature. Which isn't unexpected considering this is a fantasy series (there's a reason the tviv people latched onto that more than us fantasy book nerds; we're used to it), but to say he does them well isn't really very accurate literally or figuratively.
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Oct 4, 2011 16:26
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ohhhh goood i just want to freeze my self until season 2 comes out on hbo whos with me!? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 4, 2011 16:55
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I don't know why Dany wandered off to eat Crapberries in the first place. She has a freaking Dragon she can ride, she could of gone and burnt some sheap then flew to the nearest river for water. We know it doesn't want to eat her and she has some control over it, so there's no reason why she shouldn't be training it and preparing to burn down her enemies.
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Oct 4, 2011 17:48
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What was with her bleeding at the end? Was that really just her "moon blood"? It made it seem like there was too much blood for that to be the case.
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Oct 4, 2011 17:58
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Drunkboxer posted:What was with her bleeding at the end? Was that really just her "moon blood"? It made it seem like there was too much blood for that to be the case. I thought it was implied that the berries she ate were abortifacients and that Daario knocked her up.
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Oct 4, 2011 18:14
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IRQ posted:His mongols aren't that great to be honest. It's just that back when Gurm was actually trying or had some idea what he was doing with this series they saw enough fighting, raping, and plot movement to be entertaining. If you drill down past that at all they're just a 2 dimensional racist caricature. Which isn't unexpected considering this is a fantasy series (there's a reason the tviv people latched onto that more than us fantasy book nerds; we're used to it), but to say he does them well isn't really very accurate literally or figuratively. I thought Khal Drogo was an interesting character. His morals may not align with ours, but he's the only character in the books who is completely at ease with his identity and the society in which he lives. Everyone else has some whine on about "oh, I'm a bastard/midget/woman, I can't inherit/be respected/be a lord" or "Oh, I'm a princess! I'm not treated like a living goddess due entirely to my ancestry! Oh no!" or "I have duties I must perform, no matter how painful or hilariously illogical they are" or "Everyone treats me like a monster because I killed a homicidal lunatic rapist that was about to be murdered anyway". Not Drogo. He's in it for the bitches, and he'll tell you: he is in it for the bitches. It is known.
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Oct 4, 2011 18:23
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Ambiguatron posted:I thought Khal Drogo was an interesting character. His morals may not align with ours, but he's the only character in the books who is completely at ease with his identity and the society in which he lives. Everyone else has some whine on about "oh, I'm a bastard/midget/woman, I can't inherit/be respected/be a lord" or "Oh, I'm a princess! I'm not treated like a living goddess due entirely to my ancestry! Oh no!" or "I have duties I must perform, no matter how painful or hilariously illogical they are" or "Everyone treats me like a monster because I killed a homicidal lunatic rapist that was about to be murdered anyway". I dunno. Patchface seems rather content. edit: and Hodor  Speaking of Patchface, is his whole schtick a red herring? I expected a little more delving into his not-quite-drowned background. Possibly a drowned god thing. Maybe another half-baked and left to rot plot device by gurm? Is patchface the drowned god incarnate? Sorry, meant Patchface. Ninja-edit!  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Oct 4, 2011 |
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Oct 4, 2011 18:32
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Fog Tripper posted:I dunno. Patchface seems rather content. Of course Moonboy is content, he's loving Cersei.
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Oct 4, 2011 18:37
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Ambiguatron posted:Of course Moonboy is content, he's loving Cersei. I dunno, Gurm did spend like 40 pages telling us her boobs are sagging.
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Oct 4, 2011 18:47
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IRQ posted:I dunno, Gurm did spend like 40 pages telling us her boobs are sagging. Damnit. I haven't gotten to that part yet. Spoiled again. 
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Oct 4, 2011 18:50
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IRQ posted:I dunno, Gurm did spend like 40 pages telling us her boobs are sagging. Moonboy doesn't care about that, it's about the deep emotional connection. He's a lover. Oh gently caress, now he's going to start whining too.
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Fog Tripper posted:Speaking of Patchface, is his whole schtick a red herring? I expected a little more delving into his not-quite-drowned background. Possibly a drowned god thing. Maybe another half-baked and left to rot plot device by gurm? Well, we all know Asha is going to raise Theon to power and attempt to use him to retake the Iron Islands. Maybe they'll somehow discover Patchface and use him as some form of prophet? I can just imagine it now, they triumphately sail back home with Patchface strapped to their mask gibbering nonsense. Now on to rape, the surprise Not-rape of Asha was a bit out of the blue. She's a strong women and she doesn't seem to take poo poo from guys, you can't tell me she actually secretely loves to get dominated. Thinking about it the sex scene was entirely pointless, as the character had no role in the book. I can't even remember his name. hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Oct 4, 2011 |
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Oct 4, 2011 19:20
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Drunkboxer posted:What was with her bleeding at the end? Was that really just her "moon blood"? It made it seem like there was too much blood for that to be the case. It is to show that her womb has "quickened" again and thus Zombie Khal Drogo can return in Book 6 as Azor Ahai. Fog Tripper posted:For an entire book though? Not sure what you mean, the entire book is not about Dany at all. I just like the quasi-Middle East setting of her chapters.
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Oct 4, 2011 19:53
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With Jon Snow for real dead the next Lord Commander needs to form a commission to investigate where the whores of Moletown have gone. That may well be the defining issue of the next election.
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Oct 4, 2011 20:14
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Ross posted:It is to show that her womb has "quickened" again and thus Zombie Khal Drogo can return in Book 6 as Azor Ahai. I mean that she is pretty much in Meeeeereeeen the entire book, in the "setting" that you like.
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Oct 4, 2011 20:24
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LongDarkNight posted:With Jon Snow for real dead the next Lord Commander needs to form a commission to investigate where the whores of Moletown have gone. That may well be the defining issue of the next election. Tywin took the secret to his grave.
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Oct 4, 2011 20:25
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NoneSuch posted:Well, we all know Asha is going to raise Theon to power and attempt to use him to retake the Iron Islands.
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Oct 4, 2011 20:42
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NoneSuch posted:Now on to rape, the surprise Not-rape of Asha was a bit out of the blue. She's a strong women and she doesn't seem to take poo poo from guys, you can't tell me she actually secretely loves to get dominated. Yes I can? Hell, that's usually how it works.
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Iggles posted:I can't think of anything less likely to succeed. Parading a castrated, maimed, toothless, wretched gimp in front of hardcore vikings who respect only strength The point isn't that he has to take power, it's that she can use him to nullify the kingsmoot because he was a legitimate claimant that wasn't represented.
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Fog Tripper posted:I mean that she is pretty much in Meeeeereeeen the entire book, in the "setting" that you like. It is, yes, a setting. There's no ambiguity to this.
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Iggles posted:I can't think of anything less likely to succeed. Parading a castrated, maimed, toothless, wretched gimp in front of hardcore vikings who respect only strength His sister will end up pulling all the strings and forcing Theon to act a role, which he seems pretty good at doing from all that torture. Of course, he'll end up betraying her once she has pushed him in to power. Ecco the Dolphin posted:Yes I can? Hell, that's usually how it works. Please imply more  Seriously though, GRRM does an awful job writing female characters, and Asha's getting her clothes cut off and forced hosed is just embarrasing. Especially how she convinces herself she didn't like them anyway, so it's okay.
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NoneSuch posted:Please imply more Oh, I absolutely agree that he's terrible with female characters. I'm just saying it's not "unrealistic" for a strong woman to have a dom fetish. Whether it was needed or not is a whole other story, of course.
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Oct 5, 2011 03:35
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TheSleeper posted:The point isn't that he has to take power, it's that she can use him to nullify the kingsmoot because he was a legitimate claimant that wasn't represented.
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I think the idea is that she'd be hoping Euron hosed everything up. Then with Victarion out of the way and the other candidates having been discredited, she'd be the only choice left.
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I'd let Asha dominated me, Victory Greyjoy too, and don't get me started on ~Daario~ and his sexxy blue beards!
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Oct 5, 2011 05:27
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bigmcgaffney posted:I'd let Asha dominated me, Victory Greyjoy too, and don't get me started on ~Daario~ and his sexxy blue beards! The gold toof man, the gold toof! 
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Oct 5, 2011 06:16
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You forgot the ~*~*~*Golden Mustachios~*~*~*
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I've always imagined Daario as a somewhat Jack Sparrow-like fellow. You know, that type of guy that makes dumb 16-years-old go batshit insane. But it looks like everyone else sees him as a flashy Robert Baratheon.
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Oct 5, 2011 12:15
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He should ditch Dany and travel hither and yon selling casks of fine rum.
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Oct 5, 2011 12:25
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Ambiguatron posted:He should ditch Dany and travel hither and yon selling casks of fine rum. Please don't make novella suggestions for the gurm.
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Amusingly enough - since that picture is from the CCG - he looks like he could play a King in a deck of poker cards. Or maybe in BattleChess.
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Oct 5, 2011 17:17
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Let me tell you something about Battle Chess. Battle Chess owned.
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Fog Tripper posted:For an entire book though? Did you pick up the bits about the honeyed locust? No? Well you're in luck because GRRM sure as poo poo isn't going to make you forget it.
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Paraiba posted:I've always imagined Daario as a somewhat Jack Sparrow-like fellow. You know, that type of guy that makes dumb 16-years-old go batshit insane. I kept picturing him as Johny Depp.
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