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Thats wierd, I always took "no disintegrations" to mean that Fett had obviously screwed up in the past. I dont know how you can twist that into a positive. Go Fett, Vader didnt kill you yet?
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ImpAtom posted:Because every other person who follows Vader's orders does so out of fear or gets their poo poo choked when they screw up. The implication there is that this is something Vader has to remind Fett about and in turn Vader has for whatever reason not broken Fett's neck in a previous encounter. I think it's more of a Vader's the chief of police who is just so mad at Detective Jett's total disregard for the book but dammit, he gets results.
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Oct 4, 2011 17:47
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What makes Boba Fett so badass is that (besides the Emperor) he is the only character cool enough to give Vader lip without ending up choked to death. So you can infer from that Vader sort of respects him - because in comparison every other character who gets near Vader in the movies has a palpable aura of fear surrounding them/their expressions.
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Oct 4, 2011 18:10
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LLJKSiLk posted:What makes Boba Fett so badass is that (besides the Emperor) he is the only character cool enough to give Vader lip without ending up choked to death. So you can infer from that Vader sort of respects him - because in comparison every other character who gets near Vader in the movies has a palpable aura of fear surrounding them/their expressions. You mean besides, Leia and Tarkin and Lando and...
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Oct 4, 2011 18:16
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Bombadilillo posted:Leia: Was tortured and scheduled to be executed
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Oct 4, 2011 18:24
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LLJKSiLk posted:Tarkin: Was a higher ranking Imperial with ties to the Emperor Exactly. So Fett isnt alone now is he? And Lando yelled at him about the deal "This was NEVER a part of our arangment." And Vader just told him off. He didnt show fear. More like a guy who got screwed on a buisness deal and was pissed about it. Leia also does nothing but talk down to Vader until they blow up Alderaan. She shows more fear of the torture globe then Vader. Bombadilillo fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Oct 4, 2011 |
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Oct 4, 2011 18:31
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Why would Boba Fett disintegrate Han Solo anyway? If there's no body there's no bounty and doesn't Jabba want Han alive, anyway? I guess it could be for Leia and everyone else, so Vader was just reminding him, but I dunno i just always kind of took it as him reminding everyone else to not kill anyone, not just Boba.
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Oct 4, 2011 19:37
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The best explanation I've seen that explains why I've always loved Fett's character so much and why his scenes in Empire are so great is the one given by one of the Bioware Devs when they were explaining how they were trying to mold the Bounty Hunter Class for The Old Republic. http://www.swtor.com/news/bwblog/20090403_001 Bioware Dev posted:Boba Fett, Dengar, Zuckuss, IG-88, Bossk, 4-LOM. This was the lineup that started it all. Darth Vader wanted something done and his own people weren’t up to the task. So he called in specialists. Seeing this motley group of outlandish characters on the bridge rankled Vader’s officers and told us these guys were the real deal. When Vader felt it necessary to specifically look at Boba Fett when he mentioned he didn’t want anyone disintegrated, we understood this was a man with a reputation. When Boba Fett objected to Han Solo being frozen on the grounds that the Bounty Hunter needed Solo alive, Vader didn’t intimidate Fett -- as he did poor Lando -- or choke him senseless. He listened and reassured him in a businesslike manner. He was talking to a professional whose work he respected. I've always thought Fett, along with the rest of the bounty hunters were pretty cool for various reasons, and the mandalorian stuff, at least the stuff you see in KOTOR wasn't so bad. It's only after Travis and Lucas started to collectively tard things up that it really got to be so lovely. Also, the fact Fett from Empire and before the EU really screwed things up had a sort of Man with No Name vibe going on made his character all the more cooler to me. Once again, Travis and Lucas screwed this up by not realizing you can do a far better job at character and story development by showing and not necessarily telling everything.
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Oct 4, 2011 22:07
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People read way too much into Fett's interactions with Vader. To me, the " No disintegrations" line seemed to reference Fett's usual style or was a general notice to all of the bounty hunters. When Fett objected to the carbonite on Cloud City, he didn't stand up to Vader any more than Lando, and got brushed off just as quickly, only with a pittance of credits (to Vader) rather than a direct threat. Vader didn't seem to regard him more than any other underling, except perhaps that he was a bit more useful in tracking the main characters. To be fair, though, the spy droid had spotted Han first and was probably really respected by Vader.
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Oct 4, 2011 22:45
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Also, what is it that Boba Fett is supposed to have in common with Mandalorians? I don't know poo poo about them outside of the KotOR games, where they were basically badass merc types with special armor. That I could never have for myself. Selfish jerks! 
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Oct 5, 2011 00:09
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SpookyLizard posted:Also, what is it that Boba Fett is supposed to have in common with Mandalorians? I don't know poo poo about them outside of the KotOR games, where they were basically badass merc types with special armor. That I could never have for myself. Selfish jerks! Originally, I believe that the only connection was that he wore a piece of Mandalorian armor, not that he actually was Mandalorian. Then Marvel made him be a part of the Mandalorians, who were a commando squad who the Emperor sent to kill Leia during the Clone Wars (if only they knew...) Then when the Bantam era started, I don't think there was really any connection mentioned between Fett and the Mandalorians. Then the Traviss era started and he's their leader.
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Oct 5, 2011 00:22
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^^^Jengo Fett is the last of the Mandalorians at the time, KOTOR 2 makes a reference to this at the end. But then Karen Travis has Boba Fett revive their ideals or something. Derek Dominoe posted:People read way too much into Fett's interactions with Vader. To me, the " No disintegrations" line seemed to reference Fett's usual style or was a general notice to all of the bounty hunters. When Fett objected to the carbonite on Cloud City, he didn't stand up to Vader any more than Lando, and got brushed off just as quickly, only with a pittance of credits (to Vader) rather than a direct threat. Vader didn't seem to regard him more than any other underling, except perhaps that he was a bit more useful in tracking the main characters. To be fair, though, the spy droid had spotted Han first and was probably really respected by Vader. Not to mention that almost comical scene where Chewbacca is going apeshit and Boba Fett readies his blaster and Vader's all like "Denieeeeeeeeeeeeed". RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 5, 2011 |
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Oct 5, 2011 02:43
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Fox of Stone posted:I hang a legoman Boba Fett from my backpack zipper. The armor looks pretty cool and is instantly recognizable, that's all. Jetpacks are also pretty sweet. Boba Fett had the coolest toys. How many of my action figures had a jetpack AND a working rocket launcher? Just one. He was also one of the few Star Wars toys to have little guns just molded to his plastic, so you could have him shoot people even when other guys were holding the guns.  edit: wait, everyone else is pointing to poo poo in the movies? He's practically a background character there. Do you REMEMBER those toys? So cool. Suenteus Po fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Oct 5, 2011 |
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Oct 5, 2011 03:21
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SpookyLizard posted:Why would Boba Fett disintegrate Han Solo anyway? If there's no body there's no bounty and doesn't Jabba want Han alive, anyway? I guess it could be for Leia and everyone else, so Vader was just reminding him, but I dunno i just always kind of took it as him reminding everyone else to not kill anyone, not just Boba. Because even Dark Lords of the Sith will occasionally just yank a guy's chain. No. Watch the scene again, the blocking is absolutely clear that Vader is talking specifically to Fett with the "no disintigrations" line. It's not so clear that he does this because Fett did disintigrate someone before, but that's the way it looks to me.
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Oct 5, 2011 03:52
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I thought it was referring to some kind of feud between Solo and Fett? Like Fett might just be tempted to disintegrate him just because he's Han.
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Oct 5, 2011 04:01
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxsD0MlrIA&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufzQT8xGlU&NR=1 Some Robot Chicken to go with all the Fett chat. Link 2 is especially relevant.
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Oct 5, 2011 04:48
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Wasn't Boba Fett originally named Jaster Mereel and was a Journeyman or something, got locked up because he had a moral code that interfered with his work? I liked that avenue of storytelling because it made him more human, not some knock-off clone.
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Oct 5, 2011 04:48
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Ringo Star Get posted:Wasn't Boba Fett originally named Jaster Mereel and was a Journeyman or something, got locked up because he had a moral code that interfered with his work? I liked that avenue of storytelling because it made him more human, not some knock-off clone. Originally, yes, but then Attack of the Clones came along, and apparently some comic retconned who Jaster was.
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Oct 5, 2011 04:51
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It was a decent comic, too. Not as good as the original Fett story, but given what it had to work with post-AOTC, about the best that could be expected.
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Oct 5, 2011 05:10
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Ringo Star Get posted:Wasn't Boba Fett originally named Jaster Mereel and was a Journeyman or something, got locked up because he had a moral code that interfered with his work? I liked that avenue of storytelling because it made him more human, not some knock-off clone. That was in either Tales of the Bounty Hunters or Tales From Jabba's Palace and it was an awesome read. That story really cemented my love for Boba Fett when I was younger and all the Mandospergs and antiMandospergs in the world can't change that.
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Oct 5, 2011 05:31
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Epi Lepi posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rufzQT8xGlU&NR=1 It's still a better ending than Lucas' version of ROTJ.
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Oct 5, 2011 06:42
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Yeah, according to the backstory that was in the Fett "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" story, he was a "Journeyman Protector" (i.e. cop) and killed a criminal that he knew was guilty but whose guilt he couldn't prove, if memory serves. It also explained that his motivation was to make sure people adhered to the law, rather than money or anything of that sort. It was a pretty good story, and I like the fact that because the main part of the story is set 20 years after ROTJ that both him and Solo are completely worn out and exhausted after a bit of a chase, rather than the rest of the EU that forgets that the characters are all about 150 years old and presumably having adventures around the universe from inside an iron lung.
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Oct 5, 2011 12:09
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Fil5000 posted:Yeah, according to the backstory that was in the Fett "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" story, he was a "Journeyman Protector" (i.e. cop) and killed a criminal that he knew was guilty but whose guilt he couldn't prove, if memory serves. It also explained that his motivation was to make sure people adhered to the law, rather than money or anything of that sort. It was a pretty good story, and I like the fact that because the main part of the story is set 20 years after ROTJ that both him and Solo are completely worn out and exhausted after a bit of a chase, rather than the rest of the EU that forgets that the characters are all about 150 years old and presumably having adventures around the universe from inside an iron lung. He killed his superior officer and was exiled, actually. The fact that he was a journeyman protector on concord dawn who killed his superior officer was actually kept around as part of his backstory...it was from his "settle down, get married and try to be a normal person" phase. Legacy of the Force 
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Oct 5, 2011 13:58
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mllaneza posted:Because even Dark Lords of the Sith will occasionally just yank a guy's chain.
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Ash1138 posted:Yeah, I always figured that Fett was the kind of guy who didn't choose the "alive" part of "dead or alive" if there was no extra money to be made. Fett may have wanted Solo alive, but he'd gladly blow up everyone else if it was safer. Since Vader wanted Luke alive and assumed he was on the Falcon, keeping Fett from dropping bombs as soon as he sees a dude bust out a lightsaber makes sense even before the prequels. I liked Fett's encounter with Han in the Han Solo trilogy, Lando saves his rear end and Han's just like "  gently caress, that was Boba Fett?". Lando getting the drop on Fett was pretty awesome.And then he goes and lays low for awhile (IIRC this is where Crispin stiches in Stars' End/etc) because poo poo, you'd drop out of sight for awhile too if Boba Fett was on your tail.
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Fil5000 posted:Yeah, according to the backstory that was in the Fett "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" story, he was a "Journeyman Protector" (i.e. cop) and killed a criminal that he knew was guilty but whose guilt he couldn't prove, if memory serves. It also explained that his motivation was to make sure people adhered to the law, rather than money or anything of that sort. It was a pretty good story, and I like the fact that because the main part of the story is set 20 years after ROTJ that both him and Solo are completely worn out and exhausted after a bit of a chase, rather than the rest of the EU that forgets that the characters are all about 150 years old and presumably having adventures around the universe from inside an iron lung. I never really cared for that part of Fett's backstory. There's even a part where Jabba has Leia brought to his quarters for sex, but Fett is like, "no, I believe in morality!" It's a terrible shoe-horn to sort of make him a good guy. The movies present his as bounty hunter scum that shoots first and doesn't care if he kills people, so why try to make him suddenly a good guy? The EU is just an awful awful place.
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Oct 5, 2011 16:30
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RagnarokAngel posted:^^^Jengo Fett is the last of the Mandalorians at the time, KOTOR 2 makes a reference to this at the end. Wait, it does? How, considering how far in the past KOTOR 2 is to episode 2 and Jango Fett even existing? thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Oct 5, 2011 |
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thrawn527 posted:Wait, it does? How, considering how far in the past KOTOR 2 is to episode 2 and Jango Fett even existing? It's a quote from Kreia when she's bitching out Mandalore. "And perhaps all that remains will be what I see before me; a man, wounded by Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians" It's more of a dig at Boba Fett than Jango, though.
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Oct 5, 2011 19:04
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VaultAggie posted:It's a quote from Kreia when she's bitching out Mandalore. I guess that makes sense but it seems like a hell of a stretch to me. The Mandalore in the game really was kind of sad figure in a way that he was beat down in a way.
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Oct 5, 2011 20:03
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Wait, was Boba Fett ever actually named on screen during Empire or Jedi?
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Oct 5, 2011 20:18
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hemp posted:Wait, was Boba Fett ever actually named on screen during Empire or Jedi? Yes, in Jedi, Han says "Boba Fett? Where?" I think to Chewie on the skiff.
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Oct 5, 2011 20:21
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hemp posted:Wait, was Boba Fett ever actually named on screen during Empire or Jedi? Han on sail bardge. "Boba Fett, Boba Fett. Where?" *Pokes Fett in back*: Fett dies. they say it a lot actually. I believe Lando tells Leia and chewie Vader is giving Han to the bounty hunter Bob Fett...might not use the name. But they say it in Jedi fo sho.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I never really cared for that part of Fett's backstory. There's even a part where Jabba has Leia brought to his quarters for sex, but Fett is like, "no, I believe in morality!" It's a terrible shoe-horn to sort of make him a good guy. The movies present his as bounty hunter scum that shoots first and doesn't care if he kills people, so why try to make him suddenly a good guy? The EU is just an awful awful place. I think the author was from a strong Christian-conservative background, which is why they had such a weird attitude towards sex but were a-okay with violence.
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Bombadilillo posted:Han on sail bardge. "Boba Fett, Boba Fett. Where?" *Pokes Fett in back*: Fett dies. Lando doesn't use the name. Just says, "that bounty hunter". He wasn't named in Empire, although possibly in the credits.
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Oct 5, 2011 20:33
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He was first named in the holiday special right?
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Bombadilillo posted:Han on sail bardge. "Boba Fett, Boba Fett. Where?" *Pokes Fett in back*: Fett dies. Man, I wish his name had been Bob Fett.
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Oct 5, 2011 21:43
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LLJKSiLk posted:He was first named in the holiday special right? Yeah, his first appearance was in the holiday special in that lovely cartoon Lumpy watches.
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I don't remember (thank god!) watching the holiday special when it originally aired but I can tell you the exact spot I was standing, the clothes I was wearing, what I had for lunch that day, and the exact feeling of excitement I had when I first saw Fett on the back of an action figure package. I could not cut out my UPC codes fast enough. I can also tell you the exact details of the day he arrived in the mail and the huge sad feeling I got after ripping open the box only to find a letter stating that because of safety concern his rocket backpack would not actually fire. If Lucas made a special edition of my life, I would have said, "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" Because of that I knew the name Boba Fett before I ever saw in in the movies.
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Mister Roboto posted:I think the author was from a strong Christian-conservative background, which is why they had such a weird attitude towards sex but were a-okay with violence.
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Darth Freddy posted:I guess that makes sense but it seems like a hell of a stretch to me. The Mandalore in the game really was kind of sad figure in a way that he was beat down in a way. Yeah pretty much this. It's far more of a dig at Mandalore than any other character. It could be construed as one against Boba/Jango, but if you're vaguely familiar with what's supposed to have happened to Mandalore between KotOR I/KotOR II (Check out Scorchy's LP if you ever want to look into the stuff, he covered all/most of the cut content in KotOR II, and you really can't dig into Mandalore's backstory in the vanilla game), Mandalore basically is a "man, wounded by Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians". He holds pretty heavily that he's not just Mandalorian, but that he's rocking the same armor (the helmet specifically is supposed to be a big deal to Mandalorians), and that he's putting the Mandalorian clans back together, keeping them from becoming petty mercenaries. Also the whole thing about Boba just wasting Solo out of spite doesn't really mesh with him making of point of saying "I need him alive" to Vader before they throw Han in the Carbonite thing.
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