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Kekekela posted:I kept picturing him as Johny Depp. I picture Daario more like Vincent Cassel (especially in Elizabeth)
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I picture everyone in the series as vin diesel
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Oct 6, 2011 00:26
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I picture everyone in the series as Brian Blessed.
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Oct 6, 2011 00:35
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HOWDY Y'ALL! So in season 2 are they going to add tits during the Blackwater? I'm afraid I may lose focus without it.
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Oct 6, 2011 01:44
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Tony Danza Claus posted:HOWDY Y'ALL! It's HBO, so we won't actually see that, instead we will have another lesbo exposition dump while the actual cool battle stuff happens off screen and we maybe see a bird's eye shot of a bunch of CG corpses and CG smoke.
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Oct 6, 2011 01:47
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mind the walrus posted:Did you pick up the bits about the honeyed locust? No? Well you're in luck because GRRM sure as poo poo isn't going to make you forget it. Ah yes, Strong Belwas' most favorite snack NOM NOM NOM VOMIT.
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Oct 6, 2011 02:50
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IRQ posted:It's HBO, so we won't actually see that, instead we will have another lesbo exposition dump while the actual cool battle stuff happens off screen and we maybe see a bird's eye shot of a bunch of CG corpses and CG smoke. Littlefinger describes a battle as two whores being paid to handfuck each other, dramatic shots of hands on titties and vaginas under a harsh green light, set to the sound of metallic clashes and horses screaming. hire me HBO
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YES bread posted:Littlefinger describes a battle as two whores being paid to handfuck each other, dramatic shots of hands on titties and vaginas under a harsh green light, set to the sound of metallic clashes and horses screaming. hire me HBO
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Oct 6, 2011 03:51
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I have what is probably a stupid question: If I want to try another fantasy series (I've only read this series, the Lord of the Rings, and the Dark Tower series), but I really prefer low-to-no magic, competant prose, and above-average dialogue, do I have any options?
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Oct 6, 2011 04:08
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I have what is probably a stupid question: If I want to try another fantasy series (I've only read this series, the Lord of the Rings, and the Dark Tower series), but I really prefer low-to-no magic, competant prose, and above-average dialogue, do I have any options?
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Oct 6, 2011 04:37
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I have what is probably a stupid question: If I want to try another fantasy series (I've only read this series, the Lord of the Rings, and the Dark Tower series), but I really prefer low-to-no magic, competant prose, and above-average dialogue, do I have any options? Lies of Locke Lamora is pretty good.
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Oct 6, 2011 04:48
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I have what is probably a stupid question: If I want to try another fantasy series (I've only read this series, the Lord of the Rings, and the Dark Tower series), but I really prefer low-to-no magic, competant prose, and above-average dialogue, do I have any options? Also it's a direct 180° from GRRM in that Scott Lynch is very thorough about tying up every single subplot, to the degree that I found it the most implausible thing about the whole novel (also had the side effect that I feel very little urge to begin the second book). I really wouldn't recommend the Black Company. For one, it's VERY high-fantasy (and contrasting that with the Sven Hassel-esque narration is the entire selling point of the series). For another, its characters get so little attention that at the end of the first book I knew only a few things about a handful of them and nothing about all the others, and could't honestly give a drat about a single one among the whole lot anyway.
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I dont know whats so bad about the wall. You get to eat a lot of beef jerky and onions and hang with your bros. I like beef jerky and I bet reconstituted beef jerky soup with onions is good.
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Lies of Locke Lamora is good, and The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie is great too. Don't read Malazan its super high magic fantasy, though it is postmodern world that is more real than ours according to a guy in the Malazan thread.
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Soulcleaver posted:The Black Company or The Blade Itself would be the two most common answers. Abercrombie (The Blade Itself) is over-rated as gently caress, but The Black Company is really really really bad after about 3 books. And only really bad for those first three. Still better than AFFC and ADWD though!
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Oct 6, 2011 09:35
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IRQ posted:Abercrombie (The Blade Itself) is over-rated as gently caress, but The Black Company is really really really bad after about 3 books. And only really bad for those first three. I disagree with all your opinions in this post. Except the Silver Spike standalone Black Company book was a pain and the last book (Soldiers Live) was a little too pat. Why cookie Nefud, read The Blade Itself. Black Company is more high fantasy military than low fantasy epic.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I have what is probably a stupid question: If I want to try another fantasy series (I've only read this series, the Lord of the Rings, and the Dark Tower series), but I really prefer low-to-no magic, competant prose, and above-average dialogue, do I have any options? Vance is your go to guy for fantasy with competent prose and dialogue, but only the Planet of Adventure series comes close to your low magic request, and all the other great prose stylists in the genre stick firmly to the crazy supernatural weirdness everywhere style- two exceptions are Gene Wolfe's The Devil in a Forest which is very low-key and John Crowley's The Deep, which is a great first novel and would probably appeal to a Dark Tower fan. Probably Moorcock has some that fit the bill... Ben Cornwall's Warlord Chronicles fits the bill best, it's a dark'n'gritty take on Arthurian myth with ambiguous magic. I've also heard a lot of comparisons between Kate Elliot's Crown of Stars series and ASOAIF but haven't read them. Also I guess Duncton Wood and the comic Mouse Guard would appeal if what you are looking for is something in a medieval-y kind of world that isn't our own- they are both sort of Redwall by way of Watership Down.
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Thanks a lot for your input, guys. Especially NihilCredo (because I'll take the advice of a Yes, Minister fan over others every day of the week). I don't want to derail the thread, but just two clarifications:Sargeant Biffalot posted:would probably appeal to a Dark Tower fan. I said I read them, I didn't say I was insane. I love the first three, but after that...yeesh. Second, I don't mind some magic when there are clear rules and prices to be paid. I loved everything about the way that Drogo was brought back to "life" in AGOT, but I hated everything about the Mance/Rattleshirt switcheroo. "Oh, yeah, I just cast a spell to make that happen" is really frustrating, because who knows what else Mel can do? And, apparently, at no great harm to herself or others! Maybe next book she'll be teleporting or casting fireball! Bleh. There's a big difference between a lightsaber (a magic really sharp sword) and the force (first, it helps you aim. then, it lets you levitate stuff. by the third movie it's lightning bolts and jumping like a motherfucker).
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Update: Val returned with Tormund Giantsbane. I like the guy. Also think Jon needs to be tapping Val. Still not much momentum in the actual plot, but good to see Giantsbane back in the story regardless. In unrelated news, Jaime has reached the rank of Finger Flicker. Long live Lanister! To commemorate the occasion, something is happening outside. Winter is coming. 
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I have what is probably a stupid question: If I want to try another fantasy series (I've only read this series, the Lord of the Rings, and the Dark Tower series), but I really prefer low-to-no magic, competant prose, and above-average dialogue, do I have any options? I'd go with Abercrombie's stuff, I read his fifth book first and am on the second book of the trilogy now and really enjoying it. As others have pointed out the Black Company, while gritty, is pretty magic heavy.
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ThaGhettoJew posted:I disagree with all your opinions in this post. Except the Silver Spike standalone Black Company book was a pain and the last book (Soldiers Live) was a little too pat. You disagree that Abercrombie's stuff is better than AFFC and ADWD? Whoa. Anyway, I didn't say Abercrombie is bad, his books are quite enjoyable, just very much over-rated around here.
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IRQ posted:You disagree that Abercrombie's stuff is better than AFFC and ADWD? Whoa. Nope. Just disagree about the over-rated as gently caress, and am leery about comparing two good but flawed books from an eternally unfinished series with a differently good and actually-finishes-his-books sort of author. On the other hand I enjoy Glen Cook books that would make you burst into flame so what do I know. And on the gripping hand George R.R. Martin is a poop.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Second, I don't mind some magic when there are clear rules and prices to be paid. I loved everything about the way that Drogo was brought back to "life" in AGOT, but I hated everything about the Mance/Rattleshirt switcheroo. "Oh, yeah, I just cast a spell to make that happen" is really frustrating, because who knows what else Mel can do? And, apparently, at no great harm to herself or others! Maybe next book she'll be teleporting or casting fireball! Bleh. There's a big difference between a lightsaber (a magic really sharp sword) and the force (first, it helps you aim. then, it lets you levitate stuff. by the third movie it's lightning bolts and jumping like a motherfucker). From what I can tell, this sort of strictly defined rules stuff is more common in settings where magic is common and important. For instance the Wheel of Time has a really banal and transparant magic system, as do the Star Wars extended universe stuff where the force is more common. Authors who keep the magic to a minimum are probably trying to keep it mysterious and weird and awe inspiring, so they deliberately avoid consistency. A good exception: Robin Hobb's fantasy trilogies are all set in quasi-medieval worlds where the only magic is various forms of telepathy, all of which are heavily foreshadowed and explained before they are introduced. From what I remember magic doesn't empower it's users all that much* but provides enough of a marginal benefit that controlling it is a major issue for the powers that control the setting, which makes for an interesting set up. *the main character of the first trilogy is a warg and a poisoner, and the latter is far more useful to him than the former.
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IRQ posted:You disagree that Abercrombie's stuff is better than AFFC and ADWD? Whoa. Yes, AFFC and ADWD are better than Abercrombie's stuff (but they are alright). Never understood why people enjoy his books so much.
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Azure_Horizon posted:Yes, AFFC and ADWD are better than Abercrombie's stuff (but they are alright). Never understood why people enjoy his books so much. Its a matter of preference between:Urgh. Hurm. Gah. Unghhhh. and: Myrish swamps,glistening slits, pink masts, and rough faux-rape.
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Is Abercrombie good or not? I want to read another fantasy, but the last non ASoIAF one I read was the first Assasin's Whatever by Robin Hobb, about 6 years ago, due the recommendations here, and it was loving dreadful.
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Drunkboxer posted:Let me tell you something about Battle Chess. Battle Chess owned. Drunkboxer knows what's up. Also, I just GIS'd Battle Chess, and realized that when I read these books back in grade 9 or whatever it was, I totally pictured Cersei as the queen on the box of Battle Chess that's zapping that dude, because we had Battle Chess on one of the school computers (or maybe I had it on my computer at home? gently caress, I dunno). 
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Junkenstein posted:Is Abercrombie good or not? I want to read another fantasy, but the last non ASoIAF one I read was the first Assasin's Whatever by Robin Hobb, about 6 years ago, due the recommendations here, and it was loving dreadful. Even though GRRM is apparently a Hobb fan, Abercrombie is way more his style. For what its worth, my enjoyment is roughly: top tier: asoiaf, malazan second tier: abercrombie, black company ----big, big drop off third tier: canavan, hobb e: loving autocomplete Kekekela fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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Oct 7, 2011 00:20
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Fog Tripper posted:To commemorate the occasion, something is happening outside.  Same for me bro. Winter basically came today and as a result, traffic was almost as loving terrible and confusing as the plots in this series.
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DirtyRobot posted:Battle Chess talk
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Fog Tripper posted:Ah yes, Strong Belwas' most favorite snack NOM NOM NOM VOMIT. I eagerly look forward to seeing Strong Belwas making GBS threads at a city.
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Junkenstein posted:Is Abercrombie good or not? I want to read another fantasy, but the last non ASoIAF one I read was the first Assasin's Whatever by Robin Hobb, about 6 years ago, due the recommendations here, and it was loving dreadful. He's ok. His style is totally different from Hobb or Gurm. He's part of that newer breed of fantasy author who doesn't really do much of the "ye olde thyme" affectation and takes a more modern approach to his fantasy. Some things he does well, others kind of poorly. If you're interested the first book will pretty much tell you whether or not you will like him.
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While we're sharing stories, an ex sometimes imagined she was a prostitute I had hired. So yeah it's not inconceivable a woman would enjoy faux-rape. Get over it.
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Junkenstein posted:Is Abercrombie good or not? I want to read another fantasy, but the last non ASoIAF one I read was the first Assasin's Whatever by Robin Hobb, about 6 years ago, due the recommendations here, and it was loving dreadful. He's much more succinct, but he does as good a job of crafting readable characters. Sand dan Glokta would fit right into Westeros, and probably end up ruling it within two books. That being said, the First Law trilogy is a breakneck speed compared to ASoIaF - you'll get through the trilogy faster than probably any single book in this series. The more I think of it, the less comparable they are. It's a bit like comparing LOTR to Chronicles of Narnia, in terms of pacing and style.
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Maytag posted:While we're sharing stories, an ex sometimes imagined she was a prostitute I had hired. So yeah it's not inconceivable a woman would enjoy faux-rape. Get over it. That's not a very good story. You're not a very good storyteller. We're a little more concerned with males fantasies about rape and the overabundance of actual rape. Gor and buttboys notwithstanding.
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Junkenstein posted:Is Abercrombie good or not? I want to read another fantasy, but the last non ASoIAF one I read was the first Assasin's Whatever by Robin Hobb, about 6 years ago, due the recommendations here, and it was loving dreadful. Yeah it's good, has some great, great characters. If you're looking for a book with hugely complex political machinations and wheels within wheels within wheels, you'll be disappointed. I mean that stuff is there, but not to the degree that it is in ASOIAF. I guess the best parallel would be how ASOIAF would feel if the series focused almost solely on Jaime and Pycelle (a better analogy in some ways would be Sandor and Qyburn but those two aren't important enough to draw a real equivalence) and how they saw the world. e: In fact, for people who like the political parts of ASOIAF the most, I recommend Shogun to them. Hugely entertaining story that almost feels like a fantasy given how different medieval Japan is to the history of Europe most of us grew up learning about. regulargonzalez fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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Abercrombie created Glokta. Abercrombie is thusly awesome. He's not the most nuanced word-smith ever but he creates some truly kick rear end characters, is decent at plot, a fair world and actually releases like, a book a year or more! EDIT: also if you like black comedy there's more in Joe's work than you can shake a recently detached finger at. I also like Robin Hobb's work a lot and would recommend that though the writing seems more clunky now, 15 years later, compared to some more of the modern fantasy we get. Lies of Locke Lamora was good... but it had... issues. And I've yet to find myself wanting to read book two. Ravus fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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regulargonzalez posted:Yeah it's good, has some great, great characters. Nah, I don't want another ASoIaF necessarily, and I don't have caveats about how much magic there is or whatever, I'd just like to enjoy another medieval fantasy that isn't ASoIaF. Going to give The Blade itself a go, as well as the Black Company. Not sure how I missed them as a teen, maybe because they weren't available in the UK.
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Black Company is easy to miss because it seems like they only printed half a dozen copies of the actual books. Just try to find some on ebay or whatever, the prices are more rapey than Gurm when he hasn't had his morning pizzas. There were 2 or 3 omnibus reprints released relatively recently though, at least as of the last I knew.
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Maytag posted:While we're sharing stories, an ex sometimes imagined she was a prostitute I had hired. So yeah it's not inconceivable a woman would enjoy faux-rape. Get over it. Like Ghetto says, it's not that women don't have a large variety of tastes. The problem is that we've got a male author writing disturbing sex scenes about one of the only reasonable female characters in the book. It's not something he'd do with one of the male characters and it doesn't add anything to her character whatsoever, beyond fanservice. I'm hoping I'm wrong and Jon gets raped by Melisandra, and you only find out half way through that he's actually enjoying it. Junkenstein posted:Nah, I don't want another ASoIaF necessarily, and I don't have caveats about how much magic there is or whatever, I'd just like to enjoy another medieval fantasy that isn't ASoIaF. Going to give The Blade itself a go, as well as the Black Company. Not sure how I missed them as a teen, maybe because they weren't available in the UK. There are a few books I wouldn't recommend. Assassin's Apprentice is a bit rubbish in my opinion, it's not terrible but I never cared for the main character and parts of the book felt contrived. I just couldn't be bothered to start on the next one. Steel Remains felt like it was trying to hard, it's probably one of the only fantasy books with a gay main character, so I appreciated that, but everything the character did had to be tied in to the fact he was gay. I'm not uncomfortable with that as I'm gay myself but when the character feels like the author has asked himself "what sort of problems might a gay person face? Let's pump it up 10x including rape and torture!" It ends up being more of a step back from a decent gay character. You can't go wrong with the Blade itself. Just remember it's the weakest in the series. hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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