quote:xovaan Posted Those are the same bike? I'd go offer the guy 2300 cash and see what happens. People often get pretty optimistic with the prices of SV's hoping new riders will pay whatever they ask - at least from what I've seen. You'll be surprised how much people will budge on the price. Usually if you simply ask about price people get flustered and will go 100+ lower easy. More prodding / pointing out things that need fixed or replaced will usually drop the price at least another 100 or more depending on what it needs. It will make you feel like kind of a dick but as long as you're pointing out legitimate things it's justified. EDIT - New page, I guess I should've quoted.. Baller Witness Bro fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Oct 3, 2011 |
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Xovaan posted:I took the MSC and found it extremely easy and enjoyable (and full of very useful knowledge) and I've driven a manual car for a very long time. A friend of mine who has been riding for many years with tons of experience supports it as a first bike (He himself had one and loved it a lot but now rides a new BMW 1000cc sport bike) Not pretty, but nicely modded here: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mcy/2630220573.html Or this guy: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/2620660383.html Salvage: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/2625478743.html Cheapie gen 1, probably could get it for a grand: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2624321896.html Nice N model, offer 2k http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/mcy/2612237597.html You've got one of the best bike markets in the US in the Bay.
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Oct 3, 2011 21:04
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JP Money posted:Those are the same bike? I'd go offer the guy 2300 cash and see what happens. People often get pretty optimistic with the prices of SV's hoping new riders will pay whatever they ask - at least from what I've seen. Hahaha, I didn't even realize it until I got back from class and checked it. I meant to post the silver one with the broken speedometer.  I'm hoping for fuel injection and not a fixer-upper because it will be my main method of transportation for class and travel and I don't want to have to spend ten minutes getting my bike started like my friend has to do with his Bandit when it's 40 degrees outside. Of course if you guys can convince me otherwise I'm definitely open to a swaying of this opinion since I'm only speaking from anecdotal experience. What would be the downside of getting a salvage title bike? And what do you guys think is the problem with the speedometer on the silver bike?
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Oct 4, 2011 04:50
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Finally got my lowsided, new-to-me K5 fully assembled and ready to go. As of a few days ago, before I reinstalled OEM rear plastic (fender eliminator kit eliminator kit?): But no dice.  It won't crank - all electronics work, but nothing happens when I hit the starter (aside from the headlight dimming, of course). I'm going to test the tip-over sensor resistance tomorrow, but is there a standard failure mode to look for here? The last time I fired the bike up was in June or so, before I tore the controls and bodywork all to pieces. For the time being, it's sitting with a battery tender pending another attempt.
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Oct 6, 2011 03:44
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Make sure its not something stupid like the kickstand and/or clutch sensor
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Oct 6, 2011 03:48
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Clutch sensor wasn't plugged in. I'm madly in love with you.
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Oct 6, 2011 04:05
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OneOverZero posted:Clutch sensor wasn't plugged in. I'm madly in love with you. Don't worry about it man. When I got my SV home from buying it and took it out of the truck, it refused to start. When the PO helped me strap it down, he accidentally unplugged the clutch sensor. Took me 30 minutes sitting in the driveway freezing my rear end off going "UHHHHHHHHHHH BUT I SWEAR IT STARTED LIKE 4 HOURS AGO" e: I commute about 500 miles a week, not including any trips or fun things. Any recommendations for long-lasting tires that aren't completely terrible? invision fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Oct 6, 2011 |
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Oct 6, 2011 04:23
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invision posted:e: I commute about 500 miles a week, not including any trips or fun things. Any recommendations for long-lasting tires that aren't completely terrible? I've been real happy with pilot road 2 or 2ct's. Get good mileage out of them commuting and still stuck good enough for a track day. Need to start recording this stuff but I think fronts are lasting around 15k and rears 7-8k NitroSpazzz fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Oct 6, 2011 |
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Oct 6, 2011 13:05
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NitroSpazzz posted:I've been real happy with pilot road 2 or 2ct's. Get good mileage out of them commuting and still stuck good enough for a track day. seconding pilot roads, had one on my rear for the past 10k and its kicked rear end
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Oct 6, 2011 13:44
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Xovaan posted:Hahaha, I didn't even realize it until I got back from class and checked it. I meant to post the silver one with the broken speedometer. In good shape it shouldn't take 10 minutes to get the bike started. My 91 ZX600 easily started in 20-30F weather when I was first learning how to ride and that thing had hosed up carbs. You might give it a slightly different warmup period, but it should still be fine. Now if you have two bikes in similar pricerange, get the FI model 
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Oct 6, 2011 19:29
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I don't really have anything to compare them to (well, on an SV at least,) but I have Pilot Road 2's on my SV and they seem awesome.
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Oct 6, 2011 19:41
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Should I go -1 in the front? Help me make life decisions, internet strangers.
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Oct 7, 2011 23:59
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Yes. -1 up 2 if you can handle the reduced top end. You won't regret it.
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Oct 8, 2011 01:04
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-1/+2 is astoundingly fun. Do it.
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Oct 8, 2011 01:27
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the walkin dude posted:-1/+2 is astoundingly fun. Do it. Describe "astoundingly fun". 
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Oct 8, 2011 02:40
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invision posted:Describe "astoundingly fun". wooooooooaaaaahhhh nellie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0VC9Vmw6wc
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Oct 8, 2011 02:59
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invision posted:Should I go -1 in the front? Help me make life decisions, internet strangers. On an sv650 I like stock gearing, but -1 is cheap and easy, give it a shot.
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Oct 8, 2011 04:15
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Z3n posted:On an sv650 I like stock gearing, but -1 is cheap and easy, give it a shot. Same here, for street and daily use stock seems just about perfect. 6k~80mph and pulls plenty for most legal purposes. Wondering what people run at the track though. I could see -1,+2 at a real tight track but not sure about more open tracks.
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invision posted:Describe "astoundingly fun". My 2005 SV650 has a stock sprocket setup but has a Power Commander, K&N filter, chopped Yoshimura muffler, modded engine cams, and ATRE, and was dyno-tuned... yet my 2000 SV650 with -1/+2 and stock everything else engine-wise, is faster. It's like an explosive bullet every time I turn the throttle. I cackle to myself whenever I ride the thing, while I don't on the 2005. Amazing what sprockets can do. the walkin dude fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 8, 2011 |
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I've been reading "Ducati Monster vs. SV650" threads across various forums using Google, but can't quite figure out if CA or this thread has any definitive or stock response to that question. As mentioned in the "what bike?" thread, my Honda CB250 Nighthawk that I use heavily as a city errand-running bike and occasional commuter, got stolen this weekend in DC. Long story about liability, local landlord might owe me a bike, etc. I'm looking to replace it, and wanted something similarly compact and light for city streets, but with more than just 20hp. Wanting something that can do 2-up for dates, and a riding position more upright than most sportbikes. The Monster and the naked SV650 both have a great look that's modern yet retains some of the lines of the WWII-ish bikes (the exposed headlight, etc), free of expensive fairings, not unduly flashy (depending on model). Though there seems some wiggle on this, they seem to be close to Standards vice Sport, and I've read at least one bit saying the SV650 (not "S") is insured as a Standard. They're both pretty light (355 dry for the 696, and both the SV650N and 600 are something like 375). The 600 has only 50ish hp, the 696 80hp, and the SV650 something like 73, but all of those are way above the CB250. At this point, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of the Monster, and even a rather used 600 sounds appealing, or fork more cash for a slightly used 696 (only been out since 2007). They just really look smaller/handier than the 650, better lines (to my eyes), etc. I've heard Ducati owners claim they're not really that much more expensive to ensure, are pretty affordable used, aren't necessarily more likely to be stolen (since an SV650 is so easy to part out due to popularity), and that the dreaded maintenance is barely any harder except having to get your valves checked by the shop every 6k miles (and that's mainly if you're riding it hard). So I've heard the pro-Monster rebuttals. There are quite a few Monsters parked in my (gentrifying) neighborhood, so it appears to be a popular bike for DC's wealthy pseudo-hipster government employee set. My main concerns are just whether the position is going to be uncomfortably far forward compared to the Nighthawk and the Bonneville I've ridden. Minor concern that the passenger seating seems very minimal (but I'm 5'6" and date short girls). Just writing in to see if a pro-SV650 thread has prepared statements or must-read links to get me off considering Ducati and onto a Kawasaki, or if the forum consensus is that the Monster is a legit bike if you accept certain drawbacks compared to the SV650. They are pretty undeniably awesome looking bikes though: 
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Oct 11, 2011 01:48
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"At this point, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of the Monster," If you want a Monster, buy a Monster. Motorcycles are almost all inherently impractical. You will regret buying something that you're not in love with.
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Oct 11, 2011 02:28
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Isn't maintenance on the Ducati going to be a bitch?
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Probably not, since it'll be broken down too often for him to accumulate any mileage on it.  I don't know if this silly stereotype applies to the Monster.
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How's the maintenance on Suzukis, anyway? Pretty straightforward? I can take apart my entire Volvo 240 and put it back together with a set of sockets and a manual for reference. Bike hunt still continues. No responses from any of the sellers right now. 
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Monster vs SV - it would have to be the 696 to make me even consider it over the SV. The SV makes good usable power, I think I would get over the 50hp model pretty quick (though it would still be a nice boost from a 250) and regret not getting the faster one off the bat. Stock suspension on the SV sucks balls .. no seriously, after even modest changes its so much better its unbelievable. If you're not interested in doing those mods, or buying pre-modded and have it adjusted for your weight then I'd probably look closer at the Ducati (I'm assuming it has better suspension, I dont really know. Im just assuming Ducati wouldn't cheap out as much on that as Suzuki did) just for that reason.
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Xovaan posted:How's the maintenance on Suzukis, anyway? Pretty straightforward? Maintenance on an SV is a dream. I've never done any sort of real mechanical work, and I've ripped the bike apart plenty - done an oil change, carbs, replaced stock R/R, spark plugs, coolant flush. It's stupidly easy.
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That's what I like to hear! Student loan goes through on the 12th and then I'm gonna get me some reliable transportation that doesn't get 16mpg.  Plus, you know, riding around Northern California will be loving amazing. I can't wait to visit one of my best friends in Napa again. The money I'll save on gas is gonna treat me to Ad Hoc. 
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Blah blah Ducati if you get a 1999-2002 SV650 Naked, and replace the front fork springs and oil with better oil and springs ($110) toss on a Ninja rear shock ($50), and put on a R6 throttle tube ($7-12), you'll have a supreme commuter machine that's fun as hell in DC traffic, cheaper than Ducatis, easier to maintain in the long run, and provide a more comfortable ride for passengers than that wee tail in that picture. I think this looks just as handsome as any duck: 
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Oct 11, 2011 17:38
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GanjamonII posted:Monster vs SV - it would have to be the 696 to make me even consider it over the SV. The SV makes good usable power, I think I would get over the 50hp model pretty quick (though it would still be a nice boost from a 250) and regret not getting the faster one off the bat. This is pretty much the gist of it. I'd just add that it's quite possible to find nicely modded SV650s that don't have any of the suspension issues...GSX-R front end, swapped or aftermarket rear shock, etc, and they can be way cheaper than the 696 is gonna be. The real advantage on the 696 is that it's a pretty duc, the rest of it can be and often has been addressed by POs on the SVs.
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So these are the bikes I'm looking at over the weekend... http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2644686059.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/2638377063.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2607606850.html The last guy is pretty firm on the price and one of the top ones needs a front tire but they are mechanically perfect. Are the prices pretty decent or should I haggle?
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Actually the first and second both need new front tires (and possibly rear) since those are the stockers on six year old bikes.
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1st one looks like it might have been dropped on its right side. As they're 2005-2006 models, a good price would be around $2700-3000 IF they're in tiptop shape. $3500 would be too much. I paid a $3500 for a 2005 model this recent spring only because it had a veritable buttload of upgrades and ALL records of maintenance and came from a knowledgeable mechanic. So I was allright with paying the premium.
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Those of you who have swapped your throttle tube for something more aggressive, did you also do the TPS mod to smooth out power delivery at lower throttle amounts?
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Why are prices so horribly inflated around the bay area? The lowest they said they'd go is $3500 each.  I can't travel too far to get a bike. An hour or two max.
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Xovaan posted:Why are prices so horribly inflated around the bay area? Usually I don't start haggling until I go to look at the bike and point out all the things wrong with it, it seems rude to just call and say hey I'm only paying this much. When people do that to me without learning at all about the bike I tell them to justify why they feel it's worth that little.
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Xovaan posted:Why are prices so horribly inflated around the bay area? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/2625478743.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/mcd/2646095570.html http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2643113993.html Also, this: bladesamurai posted:Usually I don't start haggling until I go to look at the bike and point out all the things wrong with it, it seems rude to just call and say hey I'm only paying this much. When people do that to me without learning at all about the bike I tell them to justify why they feel it's worth that little.
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I asked them if they've checked the valves and how the tread on the tires is and they gave me prices based on that. One of the bikes is coming up on a 15k interval and if they need to be done then it's a pretty hefty fix. I don't normally haggle until I've seen what I'm buying but my car only gets 16mpg so after a few trips it isn't even worth it anymore. I'm in Santa Cruz which is why those didn't come up on my local search. Thanks, Z3n! You're around this area, right? Would you want to make a weekend of it and go check some stuff out? I promise I won't kill you.
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Also it's a lot harder for someone to turn down your offer when you're holding a wad of hundred dollar bills right in front of them
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Hahaha, yeah, that's true too. Also, I'm wary of the bike with a salvage title. Why on earth would it have a salvage title? I feel like he's also asking way too much in this case.
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Xovaan posted:I asked them if they've checked the valves and how the tread on the tires is and they gave me prices based on that. One of the bikes is coming up on a 15k interval and if they need to be done then it's a pretty hefty fix. I don't normally haggle until I've seen what I'm buying but my car only gets 16mpg so after a few trips it isn't even worth it anymore. There's also this option: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382922 I'd be willing to go check it out but I'm still down in Santa Barbara. I'll be moving back to the Bay sometime around January. Xovaan posted:Hahaha, yeah, that's true too. He's asking a bit much but I bet that $2400 in hundreds is a great motivator.
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