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Not trying to derail, but is that a common term wherever you live? I grew up in the late 80's in the Northeast and even then we were taught that calling someone/something "Oriental" wasn't very appropriate. It was like one of the "grouchy grammy" words that weren't outwardly hateful or anything (ie colored) but still was outdated enough to be considered mildly offensive, because it was most likely pejorative at one point. e: for reference we politely called them "those little yellow dog-eaters".
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kapalama posted:Thanks. quote:Have you ever tired the Wubi, Boshiamy type inputters? If so, does use of one help with use of others? It seems like the part builders are more popular in Taiwan ROC, and the PinYin is more popular in Mainland PRC. Is this correct?
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Rubies posted:Not trying to derail, but is that a common term wherever you live? I grew up in the late 80's in the Northeast and even then we were taught that calling someone/something "Oriental" wasn't very appropriate.
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TetsuoTW posted:In the UK, "Asian" means from sub-continental Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, etc.) and "Oriental" is still used to mean East Asian. Ah, that's probably why. Over here we only use "Asian" to describe everyone east of Bangladesh. "Indian" covers everyone in Central Asia, and "Middle Eastern" is anyone tan and east of the Black Sea (minus Russians). I'll chalk it up to the old different strokes for different folks adage.
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TetsuoTW posted:They're not wrong, and I can't speak to Hong Kong, but for Taiwan I'd change the Chinese to 台灣繁體. 正體 isn't really a commonly used term for them here. here is the updated attempt: Mainland PRC Mandarin Simplified Chinese text 大陆简体 Hong Kong/Macau Cantonese Traditional Chinese text 港澳正體 Taiwan ROC Mandarin Traditional Chinese text 台灣繁體 Singapore Mandarin Simplified Chinese Text 马新简体 First thanks overall for the help. It is mostly curiosity, and the fact that Dayi and Wubi are built into Macs, and the "wouldn't it be cool to write using that method" factor that made me think about Dayi Wubi etc. (And the fact that in competitions Boshimamy people can type 200 characters a minute which is pretty cool.) Thanks again. One more odd question: From talking to PRC people they tell me that as kids they learned PinYin before any Hanzi. And the Taiwan people told me they learned bopomofo similarly as the pre Hanzi way to write as kids. Interesting the PRC people can still use PinYin, but the ROC people could not even remember how to write the bopomofo at all. Reactions to that in your experience? I only talk to the people I meet who have left, so I have no idea if their experiences are usual, or exceptional.
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kapalama posted:First thanks overall for the help. It is mostly curiosity, and the fact that Dayi and Wubi are built into Macs, and the "wouldn't it be cool to write using that method" factor that made me think about Dayi Wubi etc. (And the fact that in competitions Boshimamy people can type 200 characters a minute which is pretty cool.) quote:One more odd question: From talking to PRC people they tell me that as kids they learned PinYin before any Hanzi. And the Taiwan people told me they learned bopomofo similarly as the pre Hanzi way to write as kids. Interesting the PRC people can still use PinYin, but the ROC people could not even remember how to write the bopomofo at all. Reactions to that in your experience? I only talk to the people I meet who have left, so I have no idea if their experiences are usual, or exceptional.
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Rubies posted:Not trying to derail, but is that a common term wherever you live? I grew up in the late 80's in the Northeast and even then we were taught that calling someone/something "Oriental" wasn't very appropriate. It was like one of the "grouchy grammy" words that weren't outwardly hateful or anything (ie colored) but still was outdated enough to be considered mildly offensive, because it was most likely pejorative at one point. As the UK person noted, America feels differently about that word (both in what it refers to, and what it feels like to hear it) than the rest of the world does. It is of note that the most common academic uses of the word are for "Oriental Studies" department currently widely found in the UK (and not at all in the US), and more importantly in the US to use to refer to a cluster of ideas coming from the discussion brought up first by Edward Said's book "Orientalism" which is in fact about the West's view of the Arab world. In much of the Eastern US among people of a certain age, the term 'Oriental rug' refers to 'Persian rugs'. Many businesses use the term regularly without a thought that the word is offensive. We also call plates China with no thought that calling dinner plates and the world's most populous country with the same name might be offensive. In the causal American mind, we do not tend to see the same referent when using the word "Oriental" that someone from the UK would. As far as labels for people go, many Americans use or understand "Oriental" as referrring to "Asian", where that word means "looks Chinese", even if the term is no longer in common use to refer to people. Theory: It is also worth pointing out that we in the US had pointed anti immigration campaigns against 'Orientals', ran concentration camps to imprison 'Orientals', and used weapons of mass destruction against 'Oriental' civilians, so we might have a need in the US to distance ourselves from those Americans who used the term "Oriental" and did those things to 'Orientals'. We also denied citizenship to a wide range of Pacific Islanders simply because they were "Orientals" even when they were native born citizens of land that the US considered, and still considers part of the US. Other native born citizens of those same lands were matter of factly granted US citizenship.
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Excel help here. I have a column of names - what kind of function is needed to find the names that matches what I'm looking for and gives me a number? For example, the column I have has the names John, John, John, Jenny, Jack, & Jill. I want a function that will count all cells that have 'John' in it and give me total amount. Thanks
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Assuming all your names are in column A, you could use:code:
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TetsuoTW posted:In the UK, "Asian" means from sub-continental Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, etc.) and "Oriental" is still used to mean East Asian. I'd disagree in that 'Asian' is still used to describe East Asian and you only hear the word 'oriental' when refering to carpets or arts/crafts. As a reference, here is a typical list of ethnicities used in the UK (happens to be from Asda supermarkets, but i have seem many similar variations): White British White Irish White Polish White other Eastern European Any other white background Caribbean African Any other black background Indian Pakistani Bangladeshi Chinese Any other Asian background White & Black Caribbean White & Black African White & Asian Any other mixed background Other
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I'm in England and I use 'east asian' for Chinese etc and 'west asian' for Pakistani etc.
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In any case, does anyone know about that video? I kind of want to see it too now. Edit: nevermind, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6aNzEr7UqY User-Friendly fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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marshmallard posted:I'm in England and I use 'east asian' for Chinese etc and 'west asian' for Pakistani etc. In the US, East Asian is commonly used (Japan, Korea, China, and rarely Vietnam), Southeast Asian (Much more fluidly constituted) is commonly used, but I don't think I have ever heard West Asian used in the US. I cannot think what, other than country names, people generally use to decribe the countries of the former greater Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh).
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kapalama posted:I cannot think what, other than country names, people generally use to decribe the countries of the former greater Indian subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh). I've heard "brown Asian" a LOT.
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spog posted:I'd disagree in that 'Asian' is still used to describe East Asian and you only hear the word 'oriental' when refering to carpets or arts/crafts.
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tarepanda posted:I've heard "brown Asian" a LOT. This comes across to my American ears as far more Hatefully racist than 'Oriental' which sounds like 'Grandma racism'. Apropos of absolutely nothing, Israel is part of Asia according to the UN.
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kapalama posted:This comes across to my American ears as far more Hatefully racist than 'Oriental' which sounds like 'Grandma racism'. To be fair, I hear it most often when I'm in mixed Chinese/Indian company.
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kapalama posted:Apropos of absolutely nothing, Israel is part of Asia according to the UN. e: VVVV I'd feel much better if "child soldiers" was the defining line rather than pre:IF (SKIN=BLACK) COUNTRY=AFRICAN sub supau fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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TetsuoTW posted:That's because most of the Middle East, except the North African part, is in Asia. Yes on a map, but not in a mind. Eqypt is similarly situated it seems in the American mind. Part of Africa but not part of child soldier Africa.
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TetsuoTW posted:That's because most of the Middle East, except the North African part, is in Asia. North Africa is by no means part of the Middle East. Culturally, sure, but not geographically. Usually they are lumped together as "the Middle East and North Africa".
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Rubies posted:Not trying to derail, but is that a common term wherever you live? I grew up in the late 80's in the Northeast and even then we were taught that calling someone/something "Oriental" wasn't very appropriate. It was like one of the "grouchy grammy" words that weren't outwardly hateful or anything (ie colored) but still was outdated enough to be considered mildly offensive, because it was most likely pejorative at one point. The way I've heard it, "Oriental" should be used only to describe things, not people, e.g. an oriental rug.
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kapalama posted:Yes on a map, but not in a mind. Eqypt is similarly situated it seems in the American mind. Part of Africa but not part of child soldier Africa. Maybe not your mind. I absolutely don't consider Israel or any part of the Middle East to be part of Africa - they're definitely Asia. Also Eqypt? Is that some weird alternate spelling I don't know of or just a mistake?
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Where did the term 'ticket' for an IT help desk thing come from? There's never an actual paper ticket, so who decided this would be the word?
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kapalama posted:We also call plates China with no thought that calling dinner plates and the world's most populous country with the same name might be offensive. They're called that because the Chinese invented porcelain and Europeans never saw it until they began trading with China.
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Florida Betty posted:North Africa is by no means part of the Middle East. Culturally, sure, but not geographically. Usually they are lumped together as "the Middle East and North Africa".
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TetsuoTW posted:Egypt is part of the Middle East, and Libya's quite frequently lumped in there too. Egypt is geographically part of the Middle East as well as North Africa, assuming Africa ends at the Suez Canal; Libya has no business being included, though.
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TetsuoTW posted:Egypt is part of the Middle East, and Libya's quite frequently lumped in there too. In the last few years, Gadaffi made a push for Libya to be considered more as part of Africa, rather than the Middle East. http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2045328_2045333_2053164,00.html
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I'm trying to open a spreadsheet that was originally a Numbers spreadsheet saved as an xls file. I don't have Excel on this PC, and Google Docs refuses to open the file. Solutions?
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marshmallard posted:]Also Eqypt? Is that some weird alternate spelling I don't know of or just a mistake? drat dyslexia, is a drat bitch. It certainly looks right.
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the posted:I'm trying to open a spreadsheet that was originally a Numbers spreadsheet saved as an xls file. I don't have Excel on this PC, and Google Docs refuses to open the file. Numbers can seriously violate whatever standards there are to .xls files. In order for Excel be able to open some particular tricky ones, I have to export it from Numbers as an .xls, then open the Exported .XLS file with Numbers and then re -export it again to have Excel be able to open it. And this is on my own Mac. Numbers is not a very good program (slow as hell, and hangs constantly with large documents), and the fact that it cannot properly export is just another of its failings. It does allow a variety of formatting options that Excel can display but not create itself though, such Carriage returns within cells without requiring a split cell. I make the documents in Numbers, and export them until Excel can open them so I can actually interact with them without having my entire system. kapalama fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Oct 7, 2011 |
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=10 Thanks, this helped.
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Can someone tell me how to get the smell of cigarette smoke out of my clothes / all of my earthly belongings? My dickbag roommates chainsmoke all day and I'm tired of smelling like an ashtray. The smell just sticks to everything and I don't have time to wash all of my clothes every single day. What can I do besides febreeze the hell out of myself?
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I would convince them to smoke outside, move or have them move. Smoke gets into everything and it's pretty much impossible to cover up the smell sans washing. Sealing off your door with weather stripping and blocking the vents in your room will help.
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:I would convince them to smoke outside, move or have them move. Tried the first, the other two aren't an option because it is university housing and I can either deal with it or lose my scholarship because we aren't allowed to live off campus if we accept funding from the university. I was hoping there was some kind of neutralizing agent or something that would work. Would something like charcoal absorb the smell perhaps?
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Golbez posted:Where did the term 'ticket' for an IT help desk thing come from? There's never an actual paper ticket, so who decided this would be the word? Possibly stuff like taking a ticket to get in line at the deli. Though I'm sure lots of offices referred to small paper forms as tickets before things shifted to digital.
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AbdominalSnowman posted:Tried the first, the other two aren't an option because it is university housing and I can either deal with it or lose my scholarship because we aren't allowed to live off campus if we accept funding from the university. Well baking soda and vinegar are good at neutralizing odors but if there's continual exposure they won't help. Your best bet is sealing off your room then using baking soda in the carpets and vinegar to wipe down the surfaces.
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AbdominalSnowman posted:Tried the first, the other two aren't an option because it is university housing and I can either deal with it or lose my scholarship because we aren't allowed to live off campus if we accept funding from the university. If you can't get away from the smoke there is really nothing you can do about the smell. It even persists after you wash your clothes.
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Golbez posted:Where did the term 'ticket' for an IT help desk thing come from? There's never an actual paper ticket, so who decided this would be the word? In the old days you'd take a ticket and wait in line to have your stuff fixed in person. You handed your ticket over with your typewriter or other office equipment and come back when your equipment was fixed and ready to go. The usage carried over to the digital realm. 
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