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I'm interested in something on PC, preferably single-player, that is brutally difficult, has a high learning curve, and is preferably some sort of turn based strategy game (or some other type of game that allows... or requires... long periods of thinking through your next course of action). I've played Frozen Synapse and enjoyed it. I've also played Fallout Tactics and I think I would have liked it more if there was something similar but more up-to-date. It doesn't have to be a tactics/strategy game, though. Basically I'm looking for a difficult, hard to learn, non-twitch based, non-grindy, single-player PC game that I can obsess over for a while. I know it sounds like torture, but I have this inexplicable itch for a challenge...
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xezton posted:I'm interested in something on PC, preferably single-player, that is brutally difficult, has a high learning curve, and is preferably some sort of turn based strategy game (or some other type of game that allows... or requires... long periods of thinking through your next course of action). Pick a roguelike, any roguelike. I personally recommend Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup. If you want something a little flashier, Avadon is a good buy and the base difficulty gets pretty steep towards the end game, and you can select two difficulty levels beyond the standard if you find it too easy. Avadon also nicely fits your criteria because the game runs real time until you enter combat, at which point it auto-pauses and becomes turn-based. I don't have any recommendations for something with modern graphics, sadly.
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Oct 10, 2011 11:00
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xezton posted:I'm interested in something on PC, preferably single-player, that is brutally difficult, has a high learning curve, and is preferably some sort of turn based strategy game (or some other type of game that allows... or requires... long periods of thinking through your next course of action). Check out Silent Storm. It's a more modern game in the same vein as Fallout Tactics and Jagged Alliance.
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Oct 10, 2011 11:47
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xezton posted:I'm interested in something on PC, preferably single-player, that is brutally difficult, has a high learning curve, and is preferably some sort of turn based strategy game (or some other type of game that allows... or requires... long periods of thinking through your next course of action). There's always the 1.13 fan update of Jagged Alliance 2. It's "comparable to" rather than "more advanced than" Fallout Tactics, though. If 4X games are capable of scratching this itch, try Space Empires IV. Primitive tile graphics but what does a 4X game really need for graphics?
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Oct 11, 2011 02:40
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Thank you very much! Not sure if I want to go the roguelike route. I have yet to find one that I really enjoy. I watched a let's play for Silent Storm and it did, indeed, look good! I just need to find a place to buy it. I think this is more along the lines of what I meant when I said "like Fallout Tactics but more up-to-date". I noticed a couple of people mentioned Jagged Alliance. It appars that Jagged Alliance 2 Gold is on sale on Steam for like $7, so I think I might just get that and try it, too. Thanks goons. This is the second time this thread has helped cure my boredom. 
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Oct 11, 2011 22:07
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xezton posted:Thank you very much! Get Jagged Alliance 2 with the newest patch. Seriously one of the best games you'll ever play.
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Oct 11, 2011 23:23
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I just found out Mechcommander Gold is available for free and download. I'M SO HAPPY! I was wondering if there were any other RTS games out there with similar resource management and squad based combat. Edit: Anything would be good but I would prefer something more recent.
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Oct 12, 2011 00:02
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GiggidyGoop posted:For those that want to play something quick and fun I'd like to recommend a game my students did. They did everything and deserve all credit. It's one of the best student games I've ever seen I just want to say that the ability to completely misuse the tools you provided make this game great. Draw a "sword", eh? Muhahahaha...
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Oct 12, 2011 02:13
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Manos del Sino posted:Pick a roguelike, any roguelike. I personally recommend Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup. I took this recommendation and have been hopelessly addicted for the past couple of days. This is my first roguelike experience really. The game is free and has a tutorial, I'd advise people to check it out. Kinda sad that you can't do the online mode with tiles, that ASCII poo poo is just too much for me. Kinda interested in Dungeon's of Dredmor, where do I go from here as far as tile-based roguelikes go?
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Oct 12, 2011 17:36
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Can somebody recommend me an (easy) puzzle game with rpg or upgrade elements? The upcoming Wizorb game looks really neat but I didn't really enjoy Puzzle Quest (I don't like the match-3 blocks type of games) Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes seemed to have a ton of promise but I didn't like it too much either. Those are the types of games I am looking for though...
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Oct 12, 2011 19:40
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I took this recommendation and have been hopelessly addicted for the past couple of days. This is my first roguelike experience really. The game is free and has a tutorial, I'd advise people to check it out. Kinda sad that you can't do the online mode with tiles, that ASCII poo poo is just too much for me. Kinda interested in Dungeon's of Dredmor, where do I go from here as far as tile-based roguelikes go? You can, kind of. I never play tiles online, so I wouldn't know, but from what I understand webtiles is basically the same as regular tiles, only a little worse (and with some lag). My favorite tiled roguelike (and one of my favorites period) is the DS game Shiren the Wanderer. It's fairly simple compared to Crawl, but complicated enough to be interesting, and the tiles really do work. There are a number of console roguelikes, but this is the only one I've enjoyed.
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Oct 12, 2011 19:42
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I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? If it's on steam or gog that's a massive bonus
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Oct 12, 2011 19:45
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? 
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Oct 12, 2011 19:51
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nrook posted:You can, kind of. I never play tiles online, so I wouldn't know, but from what I understand webtiles is basically the same as regular tiles, only a little worse (and with some lag). I was sold until I saw the lack of a graphical inventory.
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Oct 12, 2011 19:57
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? Do VVVVVV. There are certain parts and challenge rooms that will tear your hair right out.
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Oct 12, 2011 22:22
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I am looking for online turn-based economy simulator. Browser-based, free subscription, ideally with goons. I created account in Virtonomics, but not sure if this is best you can find. Maybe there is a thread on virtual economy simulators already?
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Oct 12, 2011 23:46
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? The Binding of Isaac is pretty effing hard. And of course if you've not played Syobon Action (aka Cat Mario or DONGS.EXE) or I Wanna Be The Guy!, those are free options.
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Oct 12, 2011 23:56
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This might be weird, but I am a huge fan of strategy games, especially RTS but turn-based too, in which I have an avatar that participates in the game. The commander robot in Supreme Commander, any of the third person/FPS RTS hybrids like Sacrifice, Battlezone or Uprising, or in something like Age of Wonders where your created wizard is part of the game, and can participate in battle or die. Basically the action-RTS is the best genre and there should be more of them.
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Oct 12, 2011 23:57
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I took this recommendation and have been hopelessly addicted for the past couple of days. This is my first roguelike experience really. The game is free and has a tutorial, I'd advise people to check it out. Kinda sad that you can't do the online mode with tiles, that ASCII poo poo is just too much for me. Kinda interested in Dungeon's of Dredmor, where do I go from here as far as tile-based roguelikes go? Welcome to roguelikes, we have a thread you might like! I've been kind of lax about keeping the OP up to date, but it still should be a good resource to start with.
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Oct 13, 2011 02:54
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Contest Winner posted:This might be weird, but Check out Spellforce (Spellforce 2 is better, but lighter on RTS elements from what I played). There's also Warlords: Battlecry (1, 2, and 3) which have a lot of hero customization options, but the RTS elements are fairly bland.
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Oct 13, 2011 03:14
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xezton posted:I'm interested in something on PC, preferably single-player, that is brutally difficult, has a high learning curve, and is preferably some sort of turn based strategy game (or some other type of game that allows... or requires... long periods of thinking through your next course of action). I've recommended this a few times recently but the Close Combat games would fit the bill as well. They recently got re released by Matrix Games. If you're not spending 30 minutes pondering your starting locations, pausing mid-action to consider strategy, and pulling your hair out when the Germans out manouevre you, you're doing it wrong. Great, challenging game. It's not wholly turn based, in fact the action is real time and you need to think on your feet (you can pause for thought, though) but the campaigns as a whole play out in a risk style turn-based overworld. Also see: Space Rangers II, most Paradox Interactive games and Stardock games. Many of which are pausable realtime as well but it pretty much boils down to the same thing. Lots of thinking. Honorable mention to Football Manager if you're sports-inclined. Turn based management but includes vast amounts of strategy. Harmonica fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Oct 13, 2011 04:18
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? I Wanna Be The Guy You'll never ask for a hard game again.
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? Well, lately Stepmania loaded with keyboard-focused simfiles has been driving me mad. That's a very specific sort of difficulty, though. You could also try bullet hell games.
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Oct 13, 2011 06:43
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Vinlaen posted:Can somebody recommend me an (easy) puzzle game with rpg or upgrade elements? This may not be what you're looking for exactly, but if you don't mind high school-themed games, I'd recommend Dangerous High School Girls in Trouble: http://store.steampowered.com/app/27400/ It's basically a casual RPG-lite/board game hybrid which is very much fun.
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Oct 13, 2011 07:28
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? Stalker on highest difficulty. People were complaining it was too hard on the lowest. Starts off very hard, becomes manageable mid game, quite easy in late game, but the endgame is incredibly hard and frustrating
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Oct 13, 2011 12:23
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I'm looking for something in the vein of Jagged Alliance 2, X-COM, or Icewind Dale II. Turn-based, squad-based combat with a high degree of character specialization and development. Any recommendations? I have a PC and a Wii (and all necessary Gamecube accessories!). I could probably be talked into buying another system, though.
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Oct 13, 2011 20:32
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MMAgCh posted:X-COM: Terror From the Deep on whatever the highest difficulty level is? Jesus man, do you want him to snap and hurl his computer out of a window?
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Oct 13, 2011 22:46
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Player 2 posted:I'm looking for a brutally difficult game for PC that isn't super meat boy or space chem. Any genre, old or new. I realise that's hoplessley vague but I'll have a look at any suggestions, what was the last PC game that you remember being ball crushingly hard? Metro 2033 on Ranger mode. Tons of atmosphere and Ranger mode takes away your hud and makes everything more deadly (yourself included). Really sucks you in and the increased difficulty puts you even more on edge.
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Oct 13, 2011 22:52
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Jinnigan posted:I'm looking for something in the vein of Jagged Alliance 2, X-COM, or Icewind Dale II. Turn-based, squad-based combat with a high degree of character specialization and development. Any recommendations? I have a PC and a Wii (and all necessary Gamecube accessories!). I could probably be talked into buying another system, though. The Ghost Recon game for the 3DS is made by the lead designer for x-com, besides from that I dunno though, I'd like to know more of these my self. Also check out Xenonauts, it's a spiritual inheritor to x-com which from what I've played at an expo is very faithful. That said I think they're having payment issues at the moment.
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Oct 14, 2011 00:23
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Fil5000 posted:Jesus man, do you want him to snap and hurl his computer out of a window? (Although I'll admit that there is a very fine line between "hard" and "stupendous and frustrating".)
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Jinnigan posted:I'm looking for something in the vein of Jagged Alliance 2, X-COM, or Icewind Dale II. Turn-based, squad-based combat with a high degree of character specialization and development. Any recommendations? I have a PC and a Wii (and all necessary Gamecube accessories!). I could probably be talked into buying another system, though. I feel like I recommend this game all the time, but check out Temple of Elemental Evil if you like Icewind Dale 2. It's combat is much more faithful to actual turn-based 3rd-edition D&D combat. For things similar to JA2 I've heard good things about Silent Storm though I've never played it. Alternatively if you don't mind Japanese SRPGs, pick up a PSP and grab Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics & Jeanne D'arc. Tactics Ogre in particular is wonderful.
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FuriousGeorge posted:I feel like I recommend this game all the time, but check out Temple of Elemental Evil if you like Icewind Dale 2. It's combat is much more faithful to actual turn-based 3rd-edition D&D combat. For things similar to JA2 I've heard good things about Silent Storm though I've never played it. TOEE is pretty frustrating for someone who doesn't actually know anything about the paper D&D, or care about the PnP version. I still haven't made it past the first fight because level 1 D&D characters suck rear end! woot.
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Brace posted:I Wanna Be The Guy No, but you will ask for a good game that isn't notoriously buggy and crash happy, regardless of difficulty.
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Two questions... Other than Demon's Souls and Disgaea, what's the best RPG for PS3? Does a website exist that functions for games like last.fm or pandora function for music? All I want to do is type in a game and get a list of like its top 5 most similar comps.
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Oct 15, 2011 13:44
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MMAgCh posted:Hey, he wants "ball crushingly hard", he can drat well have it. It may be worth pointing out that due to a bug in the first XCOM game that reset difficulty to the lowest setting after reloading a game, the developers got feedback that it was too easy and cranked the difficulty on TFTD. Therefore even on the easist settings TFTD is akin to being repeatedly punched in the face at best, and at worst (bloody bastard cruise ships) it's like having every nerve in your body removed, tied into a gordian knot, dunked in bleach and then burned.
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I may be getting a ps3 for christmas, and aside from a few choice games I've noticed over the years I'm pretty clueless on what to buy for it! So far I am quite sure I want Disgaea 3/4 and Valkyria Chronicles. I've had a friend recommend Catherine to me as well, but I'm on the fence over that. I like RPGs of all sorts, but particularly strategy and traditional jrpgs. I haven't played a jrpg since Xenosaga, and as much as I love the series (except #2) I've beaten it a good four or five times over. I prefer shmups and rpgs, but I enjoy pretty much everything but rhythm games and fighters as I'm awful at them. So, what games would suit me for the ps3? I also saw there is a Rune Factory game for the ps3, which is tempting. 
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Demon's Souls/Dark Souls are extraordinarily well-designed action RPGs. They're honestly not as difficult as they're reputed to be (they're significantly easier than any Grand Theft Auto I've ever played, for example), but do expect a few hours of floundering/getting used to the gameplay before you get hopelessly addicted. I'm playing through Dark Souls right now, and I want to call it the best D&D game I've ever played, despite it having nothing to do with that license—it's just a perfect example of classic sword & sorcery fantasy done well, and the dungeon design is immersive as hell. Catherine is an exceedingly difficult action-puzzle game. The plot/visual novel elements are interesting, but don't bother if that's the only aspect of it that interests you. Also because I know you'll be considering it, I'm giving an anti-recommendation to White Knight Chronicles. It's a shallow mess of a game with a plot that would have been considered substandard in the SNES era, the gameplay is just FF12 Lite, and you have to grind the same stages over and over again to unlock new ones when you're playing online. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Oct 23, 2011 |
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I'm looking for an immersive RPG to put myself in the mood for Skyrim. You know, one of those games where you create a level 1 loser with only his underwear to his name and go out to interact with a big lively world. I've already played the obvious Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Any ideas? Alternatively, I'd like to play any game with a strong, well-written plot.
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Heavy neutrino posted:I'm looking for an immersive RPG to put myself in the mood for Skyrim. You know, one of those games where you create a level 1 loser with only his underwear to his name and go out to interact with a big lively world. I've already played the obvious Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Any ideas? Morrowind?
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Heavy neutrino posted:I'm looking for an immersive RPG to put myself in the mood for Skyrim. You know, one of those games where you create a level 1 loser with only his underwear to his name and go out to interact with a big lively world. I've already played the obvious Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Any ideas? Or Oblivion! But you might actually like Divinity 2: Dragon Knight Saga. It's available on Steam, or other PC DD platforms, and I'm pretty sure it's out for a console or two, as well. But if you get it, make sure you get the Dragon Knight Saga version, as it's been streamlined and has a bonus act (called Dragon Knight Saga, actually, I think). It's not really like Fallout or Oblivion, but not terribly far off, and has a very interesting quest/mind-reading system.
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