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NGL posted:Firefly did, but Serenity did not. I think Serenity got away with it using the whole "ion cloud" as an excuse.
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SpookyLizard posted:Oh, okay, yeah, I didn't think of that. I read it and thought that there was some ship with engines pointed forward and flew around like that or something. Yeah, I just plain forgot about actual physics since it's star wars. It really didn't even occur to me that was the thing. (also apollo 13 is awesome). There's a passage in one of the Rouge Squadron books in which they engage in an atmospheric dogfight, and they attach spare fuel tanks to their ships. One of them makes a comment that in hyperspace flight, their engines barely sip fuel, but in dogfighting they gulp it, which actually makes sense. You only need an initial burst of acceleration for long single directional flights, but in dogfighting you are moving a lot (even in zero-g space) so you'll use more fuel. This does not however, explain why the Outrider doesn't just spin around in atmosphere, being that it's the most non-aerodynamic ship ever.
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muscles like this? posted:The new(ish now) Battlestar Galactica series also went with a more realistic space combat. Also while it had sound in space it was severely muted. But when a couple of dudes were sucked into space they still managed to get frostburns somehow. So much for realism. Wasn't there an EU(ish) explanation of sounds in Star Wars Space though? Something like "it's drat smart to know what's going on around you, and since your puny human eyes only point one way you might as well get info from your ears. So the actual ship would simulate the sounds to let the pilots know what was going on. Of course that doesn't explain the sounds when we have a scene filmed from outside a ship, but who the hell is hearing those sounds anyway?
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Oct 12, 2011 07:52
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BonHair posted:Wasn't there an EU(ish) explanation of sounds in Star Wars Space though? Something like "it's drat smart to know what's going on around you, and since your puny human eyes only point one way you might as well get info from your ears. So the actual ship would simulate the sounds to let the pilots know what was going on. Of course that doesn't explain the sounds when we have a scene filmed from outside a ship, but who the hell is hearing those sounds anyway?
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Oct 12, 2011 13:29
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Remember that "What if?" comic where Darth Maul survived being de-torsoed and came back to fight Obi-Wan between trilogies? Honestly I enjoyed it. Since it was just a non-canon imaginary tale you didn't have to worry about what a preposterously dumb idea it was. Right?
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Not that much dumber than anything else to do with the prequels. Probably a bit less dumb than most, really.
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Captain von Trapp posted:Remember that "What if?" comic where Darth Maul survived being de-torsoed and came back to fight Obi-Wan between trilogies? Honestly I enjoyed it. Since it was just a non-canon imaginary tale you didn't have to worry about what a preposterously dumb idea it was. quote:Well, mostly. Filoni acknowledges that the order to resurrect the Sith Lord came from George Lucas himself, who became more interested in his Phantom Menace creation while developing Savage Opress for the last season of The Clone Wars. Awesome as Maul was in the movie, he barely got to do anything before the old chop-chop. When asked if Maul’s return is motivated by the feeling that he was underutilized in The Phantom Menace, Filoni says, “I think in part.” Oh Lucas, you card!
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When Lucas eventually gets around to making the live action Star Wars show I can't wait to see the triumphant return of General Grievous!
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Joe Don Baker posted:I know it's unrealistic but I could listen to the Viper's machine gun fire and the Galactica's flak barrier all day. For what it's worth, I have no problem with hearing machine gun fire in any scene shot in the cockpit. I could believe the sound would be transmitted through the hull.
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Captain von Trapp posted:Remember that "What if?" comic where Darth Maul survived being de-torsoed and came back to fight Obi-Wan between trilogies? Honestly I enjoyed it. Since it was just a non-canon imaginary tale you didn't have to worry about what a preposterously dumb idea it was. Can't wait to hear the Clone Wars fans spin this as being a great classic Star Wars adventure that hearkens back to the best of the OT.
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BSG really had the best space physics. Dogfights where you flip backwards and fire on enemies while retaining your original momentum. They did also up the volume greatly when they went for an interior cockpit camera shot, you could hear the pilot firing their guns. That being said they wrote themselves into some big corners on that show and it went down hill. "Adama Maneuver" is still my favorite scifi stunt though, that was ridiculous. Couldnt be done with Star Wars physics though. What was up with Dooku's solar sail ship though? That was even more impractical then their regular craft. Solar sails need to be miles across and would accelerate very slowly.
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Oct 12, 2011 16:54
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http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/24jan_solarsail/ Apartenly a 10m sail will get you orbiting earth, and the Japanesse sent one to Venus, I remember a Michio Kaku book where he talked about using one as interstellar travel would have to be massive and you could speed it up by hitting it with a lazer from the moon, which would let your power source effectivly stay local so ~0 fuel needs to be loaded on the craft.
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Oct 12, 2011 18:05
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Captain von Trapp posted:Remember that "What if?" comic where Darth Maul survived being de-torsoed and came back to fight Obi-Wan between trilogies? Honestly I enjoyed it. Since it was just a non-canon imaginary tale you didn't have to worry about what a preposterously dumb idea it was. I love the way the article tries to justify it. "Uhh....The Force?"
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Bombadilillo posted:BSG really had the best space physics. Dogfights where you flip backwards and fire on enemies while retaining your original momentum. He was massively rich and used it to impress people since it was a antique. Why the hell it was used as a escape craft makes no drat sense.
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Oct 12, 2011 19:37
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Chairman Capone posted:Can't wait to hear the Clone Wars fans spin this as being a great classic Star Wars adventure that hearkens back to the best of the OT. Who say this? You've said this twice now, and I'm a pretty big apologist of the show and I'd never say anything like this. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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Oct 12, 2011 19:43
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Darth Freddy posted:He was massively rich and used it to impress people since it was a antique. Why the hell it was used as a escape craft makes no drat sense. Lol, it fits with he personality to use a wild overly elaborate ship like that. Is there an EU explination? Like it didnt use normal propultion so it was untrackable or something?
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VaultAggie posted:Didn't Firefly also have "realistic no-sound in space"? I think this was as much an artistic decision as a scientific one, if not more so. It's basically the sole scientifically accurate point in the entire show/franchise.
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Something else about space dogfights is that the survivability of starfighters is really all over the place, especially the Rebel Fighters. In the movies, there's usually one or two secords of a TIE firing on an X-wing before it blows apart. As someone who played TIE Fighter, I know that you need at least 4 seconds of concentrated fire to down an X-Wing, assuming it isn't evading. 
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qntm posted:I think this was as much an artistic decision as a scientific one, if not more so. It's basically the sole scientifically accurate point in the entire show/franchise. That being a bit harsh, If you are going to do a space scene without sound then it definatly detracts, you have to counter that by making it a bit artistic. They open the show with a silent space scene and every one after that was too.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Who say this? You've said this twice now, and I'm a pretty big apologist of the show and I'd never say anything like this. I can't point to a specific post online or anything, but this has been a pretty common thing in my opinion, both online and offline - saying that the characterization is like the OT, the sense of adventure and fun is like the OT, the spirit of it is closer to the OT, the 1930s serial aspect is like the OT, etc. I haven't been to the CW thread in TVIV in a very long time, but this was definitely a common theme there in the first season.
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It isn't like the Maul thing is the first time this has happened.
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quote:Savage Opress I had to Google this to make sure you weren't loving with me. In his next Star Wars project is Lucas finally gonna say gently caress it and name the villain Evil Badguy?
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I'm pretty sure that's Kyle Katarn, but what in the everliving gently caress is that thing?
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Pope Mobile posted:I'm pretty sure that's Kyle Katarn, but what in the everliving gently caress is that thing? Maw. One of the bosses from Jedi Knight. Kyle's version of Obi-wan cut him in half in the opening cutscene and he returned with his lower half replaced by a hovercraft.
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ImpAtom posted:Maw. One of the bosses from Jedi Knight. Kyle's version of Obi-wan cut him in half in the opening cutscene and he returned with his lower half replaced by a hovercraft. People can say all the good things they want about that game, but the plot and cut scenes were absolutely horrendous. Terrible stuff.
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Jedi Knight might look like a piece of crap now, but in 1997, that poo poo was amazing. Think about it: those cut scenes are the first time you see a live action light saber since the OT, and I'll be damned if what little saberplay they show in the cut scenes doesn't beat the hell out of most of the PT. Gameplay aside (which I loved both online and off), the whole thing was more cohesive and in the spirit of Star Wars than Episodes 1, 2, or 3. Plus Kyle Katarn is rad.
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All I remember about Jedi Knight was playing as C3-PO with a lightsaber in multiplayer.
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ECBoots posted:Jedi Knight might look like a piece of crap now, but in 1997, that poo poo was amazing. Think about it: those cut scenes are the first time you see a live action light saber since the OT, and I'll be damned if what little saberplay they show in the cut scenes doesn't beat the hell out of most of the PT. Gameplay aside (which I loved both online and off), the whole thing was more cohesive and in the spirit of Star Wars than Episodes 1, 2, or 3. I played it when it first came out in 1997. And 14 year old me thought it sucked. Hard. Gameplay was fun, don't get me wrong, but the cut scenes were truly terrible, and enough for me to not have many good memories of the game.
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thrawn527 posted:I played it when it first came out in 1997. And 14 year old me thought it sucked. Hard. Gameplay was fun, don't get me wrong, but the cut scenes were truly terrible, and enough for me to not have many good memories of the game. No way. That first part on nar shada, the huge open spaces and the authentic star wars sound effects. The water dam level where you finally meet up with some storm troopers. That game was awesome. Wish they would go back to making original trilogy games. New Dark Forces and Xwing please.
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I had X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, it came in the games bundle when my family bought our first home computer, think it was a Gateway 233Mhz, pure beast at the time, that and the Jedi Knight series are the pinnacle of Star Wars for me. I hadn't even seen the original Star Wars films at that point. Edit: Episode 1 Podracer was also a fantastic game. The only good thing to come out of the PT. NtotheTC fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 13, 2011 |
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Yeah, there was. If I remember right, it's from the novelisation of A New Hope (which was published before the movie came out, making it the first official Star Wars work ever), in which either Red Leader or Han (can't remember which) explains to Luke that the ship's computer system will replicate sounds in the cockpit based on what's going on around him. It's a pretty good explanation, really, and a pretty good thing to have in a starfighter, considering the tactical importance of sound. Is A New Hope a good read?
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Bombadilillo posted:http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/24jan_solarsail/ Correction -- a 10-square-meter sail will get you from one Earth orbit to a very slightly different Earth orbit. Very gradually. And that's assuming your entire ship is only four kg (nine pounds); if you're heavier, you go slower in proportion. Solar sails have to be freaking GIGANTIC to do much of anything. The ridiculous little thing on Dooku's ship is even sillier than TIE fighters being powered by their "solar panels."
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Powered Descent posted:Correction -- a 10-square-meter sail will get you from one Earth orbit to a very slightly different Earth orbit. Very gradually. And that's assuming your entire ship is only four kg (nine pounds); if you're heavier, you go slower in proportion. Yes my wording was wrong, you cant get to orbiting earth with just a sail.
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I'm looking to get TIE Fighter Collectors Edition up and running. Anyone know what I need to have to do this? I don't want to google it because I don't feel like sorting through a billion forums and sites when a goon might already know what's best.
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Kneel Before Zog posted:Is A New Hope a good read?
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I got the movie novelizations collected in a single book when I was a kid (can't find a picture online; the color scheme was mostly black with red accents) and I thought they were really cool. Like the radio dramas, they have parts that deviate pretty severely from the movies. edit: found it by Googling the author names 
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Oct 13, 2011 03:00
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Hazo posted:I got the movie novelizations collected in a single book when I was a kid (can't find a picture online; the color scheme was mostly black with red accents) and I thought they were really cool. Like the radio dramas, they have parts that deviate pretty severely from the movies. Yep, that's the one alright. I have that somewhere as well. My copy of "Secret History of Star Wars" came in today, should make for a great read!
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Flagrant Abuse posted:The movie novelizations are actually some of the few books I haven't read, which is why I'm not quite sure which character gave the explanation; I'm just going based off a quote from someone else. If they're anything like the radio dramas, though, then they're probably quite good. Here have some quote because of all these star wars: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/astro.html posted:Sound does not propagate in space. Although even the depths of interstellar space are filled with a few atoms per cubic centimetre this is not enough of a medium to carry vibrations. The impact of a passing starship against these diffuse molecules will not cause an appreciable sound detectible at another craft.
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Timby posted:I never played Rebel Strike, but I just watched a YouTube video of the attack on the Executor. Wait a minute... Darth's Star Destroyer is called the Exec-utor? I've been calling it the Ex-ecutor! Why didn't someone tell me? Ohh... I've been making an idiot out of myself!
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