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House Louse posted:Seems like a load of quasi-yuri fanservice to me. But Sabre looked so cool in a different outfit. I think girls are allowed to have scenes with each other now, even if they don't talk about boys. It's a new rule or something.
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House Louse posted:Seems like a load of quasi-yuri fanservice to me. But Sabre looked so cool in a different outfit. Yes, this scene of two completely and even conservatively dressed women having a conversation about conflict, new experiences, and the one's husband is quasi-porn. Wait, what?
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Oct 15, 2011 18:17
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"Our biggest Adversary will be this 'Clinton' person" Jesus this is so 90s.
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Oct 15, 2011 18:27
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Yes, this scene of two completely and even conservatively dressed women having a conversation about conflict, new experiences, and the one's husband is quasi-porn.
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Oct 15, 2011 18:43
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Ryand-Smith posted:"Our biggest Adversary will be this 'Clinton' person" Dont worry Rider, that guy will be defeated by a single women. I personally can't wait for the next appearance of team Mad Bromance. That should spark some interesting reactions from the newcomers.
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Oct 15, 2011 18:48
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Having to try really hard to hold my tongue right now after some of these comments. Just gonna say this: back in the fourth holy grail war, they didn't gently caress around.Ryand-Smith posted:"Our biggest Adversary will be this 'Clinton' person" Probably because that's when it's set. On a side note, I really liked how Urobuchi stuck a bit of gun porn in for Kiritsugu's equipment. He's using a Walther WA2000 with night vision/thermal scope for sniping, a Calico M960 as a backup weapon, and a customized Thompson Contender with magic bullets for his mystic code.
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Oct 15, 2011 18:50
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Yes, this scene of two completely and even conservatively dressed women having a conversation about conflict, new experiences, and the one's husband is quasi-porn. Not porn, just teasing. Did I misuse "yuri" there? But there were to my mind pretty strong overtones in the sequence of Sabre describing herself as Iris' knight and calling her a princess, taking her on a walk through Fuyuki and winding up at a moonlit beach where Iris invites her to go for a swim. And they're clearly marked as a "butch"/"femme" pair too - Sabre with her stylish trouser suit and Iris in a long dress. And I know we're not supposed to mention it, but what genre was the original VN anyway? It's not especially welcome, but is a little light fanservice such a surprise? Edit: I'm not arguing that this is all their scenes were! Just that it was some subtext in their interactions. Safety Biscuits fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Oct 15, 2011 |
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Oct 15, 2011 19:07
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You're not misusing it, I guess I just put this way on the side of "reasonable artistic license" vs. "fanservice." And come to think of it, I'm not actually certain if Fate/Zero has eroge content or not. EDIT: Probably not considering it's a light novel series and not a VN. 
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I just realized they cut out one of my favorite Rider scenes from the part where Rider and Waver are observing on top of the bridge. Spoiled in case they fit it in next episode (or the DVD/BD release) and for people that haven't watched the episode yet. quote:"If you're bored, read the book I entrusted to you. It's a good book." And the rest plays out exactly the same as in the episode. Tuxedo Catfish posted:You're not misusing it, I guess I just put this way on the side of "reasonable artistic license" vs. "fanservice." There is exactly zero porn in Fate/Zero.
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Oct 15, 2011 19:16
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House Louse posted:Not porn, just teasing. Did I misuse "yuri" there? But there were to my mind pretty strong overtones in the sequence of Sabre describing herself as Iris' knight and calling her a princess, taking her on a walk through Fuyuki and winding up at a moonlit beach where Iris invites her to go for a swim. And they're clearly marked as a "butch"/"femme" pair too - Sabre with her stylish trouser suit and Iris in a long dress. And I know we're not supposed to mention it, but what genre was the original VN anyway? It's not especially welcome, but is a little light fanservice such a surprise? But yes, you are reading a little too much into this.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You're not misusing it, I guess I just put this way on the side of "reasonable artistic license" vs. "fanservice." I'm just more cynical than you then. (When I said "the original VN" I meant  , just to be totally clear.)Rodyle posted:Since when are we not supposed to mention that there was porn in FSN?  It was a joke.
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Yeah I dunno, I saw zero romantic overtones between Iris and Saber, but I'm really familiar with the source material and series it's a prequel to, so. v v To me I just saw Saber kind of opening up to someone else who has pretty much been forced into a specific role their entire life and hasn't gotten to really experience anything themselves. It's a lot like Saber's decision to become the king of England, which was kind of touched on in the previous episode. Neither of them has had the freedom to even do something as mundane as go enjoy walking around and seeing the sites of a simple city, and Saber kind of realizing and appreciating that, gives in to Iris' wish to enjoy their time before the Grail War starts up in full. I mean, now that you've mentioned it I can kind of see what you mean, but Saber doesn't even see herself as a woman. She is a knight and a king first and foremost. That concept really got pounded into your head in the Fate route of the story and anime.
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Oct 15, 2011 23:09
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It would make zero (heh, see what I did there?) sense for Saber to have any sort of romantic development in Fate Zero, since it would circumvent all of her development in Fate/Stay Night.
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Oct 15, 2011 23:33
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Assassin. Also, what is it with the Einzbern family and silly hats?
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I was going to make a "Saber she is a married woman stop that." joke but uh. Huh. Jokes aside, I could see how you would read the scene that way maybe, but there's a difference between "It's sorta kinda there if you squint" and "GRR YURI FANSERVICE!"
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Oct 16, 2011 00:57
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Does anyone want to make a gif of Kiritsugu reloading his pistol? I would but I'm bad at this.
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Endorph posted:I was going to make a "Saber she is a married woman stop that." joke but uh. Huh. Saber considers herself a man and a knight, I don't read any yuri tones at all because of that.
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Oct 16, 2011 02:13
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I love how everyone's focusing on casual friendship between Irisviel and Saber and not the part where Kiritsugu just made out and had implied sex with not-his-wife.
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Oct 16, 2011 03:01
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jonjonaug posted:I love how everyone's focusing on casual friendship between Irisviel and Saber and not the part where Kiritsugu just made out and had implied sex with not-his-wife. Well in the books it's Maya that just suddenly kisses him and, as I recall, he waves the advance off, since he only sees her as his weapon and apprentice.
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jonjonaug posted:I love how everyone's focusing on casual friendship between Irisviel and Saber and not the part where Kiritsugu just made out and had implied sex with not-his-wife. That just kinda felt depressing, with Kiritsugu nearly breaking down thinking about Ilya when he was checking out his gun. I really like how well the voice actor is showing the different personalities between Kiritsugu as a father and Kiritsugu the Mage Killer.
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House Louse posted:Not porn, just teasing. Did I misuse "yuri" there? But there were to my mind pretty strong overtones in the sequence of Sabre describing herself as Iris' knight and calling her a princess, taking her on a walk through Fuyuki and winding up at a moonlit beach where Iris invites her to go for a swim. And they're clearly marked as a "butch"/"femme" pair too - Sabre with her stylish trouser suit and Iris in a long dress. And I know we're not supposed to mention it, but what genre was the original VN anyway? It's not especially welcome, but is a little light fanservice such a surprise? They're joking about how Kiritsugu ordered Saber to disguise herself as a man, and also about how Saber was thought to be male in life.
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So Assassin was actually the Society of Assassins? Like the one that shows up in weird conspiracy histories? Or maybe it's Hassan-i Sabbah and he comes with a bunch of dudes as a bonus. In any case that's pretty cool. This seems alright so far, but I don't have any real attachment to any of the characters, Sabre seems cool, Rider and Waver are amusing, there's a bunch of other people too, but I don't really care yet. Ah the joys of trying to jump into a story that apparently has a poo poo-ton of backstory to it. Love the anime'd up version of the historical depictions in the end credits.
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a kitten posted:So Assassin was actually the Society of Assassins? Like the one that shows up in weird conspiracy histories? Or maybe it's Hassan-i Sabbah and he comes with a bunch of dudes as a bonus. In any case that's pretty cool. This seems alright so far, but I don't have any real attachment to any of the characters, Sabre seems cool, Rider and Waver are amusing, there's a bunch of other people too, but I don't really care yet. Not going to give too much away aside from that saying that every servant should get their explanation eventually, and stick with this. It is going to get bad rear end as hell later on.
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WickedIcon posted:Assassin. Isnt it a common fashion for Baltic Germans?
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The best part of the Holy Grail War is how nearly everyone cheats like mad. Of course it's not like there's any reason not to, since there are pretty much two possible outcomes for each participant: 1) Death 2) REAL ULTIMATE POWER How are the supervisors (who of course were cheating first and hardest) going to punish you? 
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Sindai posted:The best part of the Holy Grail War is how nearly everyone cheats like mad. Yeah I gotta say, so far this is my favorite part of Fate/Zero compared to Fate/Stay Night. FSN seems kind of like what it is, a bunch of kids who don't know much stumbling onto something dangerous. Fate/Zero is only 3 episodes in so far and it seems actually like war. 
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Revdomezehis posted:Yeah I gotta say, so far this is my favorite part of Fate/Zero compared to Fate/Stay Night. FSN seems kind of like what it is, a bunch of kids who don't know much stumbling onto something dangerous. Which is probably why the war is meant to happen every 60 years. Having it occur 10 years later leaves the participants as young idiots stumbling into something well beyond their expectations. Shanakin fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 16, 2011 |
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Shanakin posted:Which is probably why the war is meant to happen every 60 years. Having it occur 1- years later leaves the participants as young idiots stumbling into something well beyond their expectations. So thats what happened? I was wondering about the gap there; F/Z makes me believe that there's this huge mages association and this huge church running things (or competing for influence) but barely no mention of anything in FS/N.
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Oct 16, 2011 15:25
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Raenir Salazar posted:So thats what happened? I was wondering about the gap there; F/Z makes me believe that there's this huge mages association and this huge church running things (or competing for influence) but barely no mention of anything in FS/N. Well the mage association is mentioned somewhat more in the UBW and HF routes (which have a much larger Rin involvement) as I recall but yeah. Things happen at the end of this war, it doesn't complete correctly or something and so it's re-activated much sooner than it should have. I can't remember the exact mechanism but I believe it's discussed in HF.
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Raenir Salazar posted:So thats what happened? I was wondering about the gap there; F/Z makes me believe that there's this huge mages association and this huge church running things (or competing for influence) but barely no mention of anything in FS/N. Well, consider that Shirou is a lovely mage, with not only no formal training, but incorrect training, Rin is cursed with loving things up no matter what and lost her dad kind of early in her life, so missed out on training she should've had, Lancer's and Caster's masters (who were Mage Association people) got killed before it all even started, Rider was being used by a mage without any magic, and Assassin was an entirely different different can of worms. Pretty much Ilya was about the only thing even close to a proper mage in FSN and she wasn't even human.
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Well, consider that Shirou is a lovely mage, with not only no formal training, but incorrect training, Rin is cursed with loving things up no matter what and lost her dad kind of early in her life, so missed out on training she should've had, Lancer's and Caster's masters (who were Mage Association people) got killed before it all even started, Rider was being used by a mage without any magic, and Assassin was an entirely different different can of worms. Pretty much Ilya was about the only thing even close to a proper mage in FSN and she wasn't even human. I may have only watched the TV adaption of Fate/UBW so far but so far Shirou's gimmick seems crazy overpowered though unless thats different from being a mage.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I may have only watched the TV adaption of Fate/UBW so far but so far Shirou's gimmick seems crazy overpowered though unless thats different from being a mage. Everyone's gimmick in F/SN is crazy overpowered. There are 40 bad ends in F/SN and the majority of those have Shirou getting killed in some utterly ridiculous manner.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I may have only watched the TV adaption of Fate/UBW so far but so far Shirou's gimmick seems crazy overpowered though unless thats different from being a mage. Shirou is a terrible magus. Kiritsugu is too. Both of them are, however, excellent combat specialists. They're just terrible at every other imaginable thing.
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Rodyle posted:Shirou is a terrible magus. Kiritsugu is too. Both of them are, however, excellent combat specialists. They're just terrible at every other imaginable thing. Actually Kiritsugu is a competent mage (just not high tier), he have the rank of a Mage Killer after all.
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Revdomezehis posted:Yeah I gotta say, so far this is my favorite part of Fate/Zero compared to Fate/Stay Night. FSN seems kind of like what it is, a bunch of kids who don't know much stumbling onto something dangerous. If the Holy Grail war was a RPG, the F/Z war would be a munchkin battle. Nearly everyone arrives well prepared, with overpowered servants and dirty tricks to win. The F/SN war was a glitchy mess full of newbies and cheaters.
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Randomzx posted:Actually Kiritsugu is a competent mage (just not high tier), he have the rank of a Mage Killer after all. My Nasu's a bit rusty, but the magical community in general seems fairly disparaging of us mayflies whittling away at our adorable technology, so nobody thinks after detecting four familiars at the Tohsaka estate to then look around for a hidden camera feed. Kiritsugu's low-magic high-tech setup is ideal.
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Bad Seafood posted:I'd think that's really more to do with how he shoots mages with guns, actually; less any sort of magic proficiency, though I'm sure he has some. They'd explained it at this point in the novel, but Kiritsugu/Maiya do use bat familiars, just ones fitted with cameras for later review, and because the cameras frequently see right through magical illusions. The team that wasn't detected observing Tohsaka's house was probably Team Caster, those two are off in their own little universe.
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Bad Seafood posted:Kiritsugu's low-magic high-tech setup is ideal. "If they think you're crude, go technical; if they think you're technical, go crude." - Emiya "Johnny Mnemonic" Kiritsugu
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Sir Gladu posted:Dont worry Rider, that guy will be defeated by a single women. I don't know what's coming next, but I have pretty much only one thing to say about this entire show so far. Go Team Velvet!
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