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If Americans really think this is so "what the Christ" perhaps we should go back to women not having careers because the chance of a 35+ woman with an established career having kids (which is now so common it's mainstream) with genetic disorders is higher than first cousin couplings. And both are pretty drat low above the norm anyway. And we have tests to show up that stuff. I barely bat an eye at this sort of thing, I don't know why it's so amazingly terrible to Americans. Plenty of people don't associate much with cousins as kids, it's not beyond imagination that they might get together later. Is it just based on some law that forbade it centuries ago when people were in isolated communities and generations upon generations of first cousin marriages produced far more genetic issues? I'm saying this though, but I've known British people to freak out about it, I suspect because their cousins were really close as kids and it just seems gross to them. Nobody I've known with fairly estranged cousins has batted an eyelid at the idea of cousins marrying.
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Retro Access posted:If Americans really think this is so "what the Christ" perhaps we should go back to women not having careers because [literally any reason ever] I don't follow this train of thought. This is my WTC moment.
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Retro Access posted:Is it just based on some law that forbade it centuries ago when people were in isolated communities and generations upon generations of first cousin marriages produced far more genetic issues? That would probably be how it started, yes. Now it's because if you're looking to marry within your family there are probably other problems with you. There are still families in the Southern US and I'm sure some elsewhere that marry within themselves . . . and the fact that they tend to be dirt-poor and toothless doesn't make the practice look good, anecdotally. I guess I could pull out a textbook and check the degree of inbreeding on a child of first cousin parents who are children of first cousin parents, I don't know how bad it would be. But I don't doubt it wouldn't take long to become a problem, if you decided that intermarrying shouldn't be taboo. I'm not saying it can't happen without being a problem socially as well as genetically. But . . . look at it this way. I'm sure there are plenty of people in this world who are capable of having responsible, adult, romantic relationships with more than one partner at once. Probably even some people capable of having stable 3-person marriages. But bigamy is still illegal, and I still make fun of mormons. We don't live in a world where causes are only related to their direct effects, we also notice that inbreeders *might* do so because they are socially inept or even pedophiles (which is the case with most instances of bigamy), so we associate it with that kind of person. It's not causality, but it's still related in our minds, and correlated in reality.
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Retro Access posted:So.... only one set of grandparents at the wedding huh? Not needing her last name officially changed must have been nice.
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Oct 13, 2011 22:01
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Retro Access posted:If Americans really think
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Oct 13, 2011 23:06
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About a year ago my father died suddenly. So my girlfriend and I (wanting to help my mother out a bit) decide to take it upon ourselves to clean their house. We started in the kitchen. Later that day, I'm taking a quick break when suddenly my girlfriend walks into the room silently and slowly. Her eyes are wide in terror and she motions for me to follow her. She stops in the kitchen doorway and points to a small shipping box about the size of a soccer ball sitting on the counter next to the open freezer door. I walk up and realize it's frozen solid; been in the freezer for God knows how long. I'm terrified at this point, but i forge ahead and slowly peel back the lid panels with a knife (for cutting the tape). Inside is a frost-crusted towel all bunched up. Oh crap. I slowly peel back the towel and jump back dramatically when I'm greeted with a lump of brown/black fur. Oh Jesus, Oh Jesus! It's a ferret. Frozen. Solid.  My parents had several ferrets at different times in the past. It's been over 2 years since then.Now to explain further, right before his death my father was beginning to lose it mentally, doing all kinds of weird, crazy poo poo. My girlfriend and I are thinking "Oh God what did he do now?" So I decide to approach my mother cautiously about it, not sure how she'll take it. "Mom... Umm... Not sure how to say this. We think dad put one of your dead ferrets in the freezer." Dramatic pause. "OH THAT'S JUST SMOOCHY!" "Smoochy? Wait, you knew about this? You knew dad froze Smoochy the ferret in an Amazon.com box in the freezer 2 years ago?" "Sure! We weren't sure what to do with her after she died, and we didn't just wanna toss her out. She meant something."
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Oct 13, 2011 23:54
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bootsy posted:SMOOCHY! It's strange but not totally insane if they were freezing him until they could get a good price to taxidermy him. I've seen several cases of people who wanted their pet cremated or preserved and couldn't afford it at the time of the animals death, so they froze it. At least it was in a box taped shut and wrapped in a towel, I knew one lady who kept her Lorikeet in a ziplock bag in plain sight. Still, it must have been traumatic as all hell for you since you were unprepared. My moment of What the Christ was walking into my ex-husband's bedroom to look for some video games my kids had left there during visitation. I saw something that looked like my picture barely peeking out from under the bed. When I pulled it out to see (I thought it was a framed photo of me) I discovered that my ex had taken a king sized body pillow, wrapped it in duct tape, cut a hole about waist level and stuffed a pocket pussy into it, then taped a picture of me to the top. My ex made a ghetto sex doll with my face on it.
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Oct 14, 2011 00:41
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Death To Smoochy.
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Oct 14, 2011 01:04
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Stairs posted:My moment of What the Christ was walking into my ex-husband's bedroom to look for some video games my kids had left there during visitation. I saw something that looked like my picture barely peeking out from under the bed. When I pulled it out to see (I thought it was a framed photo of me) I discovered that my ex had taken a king sized body pillow, wrapped it in duct tape, cut a hole about waist level and stuffed a pocket pussy into it, then taped a picture of me to the top. My ex made a ghetto sex doll with my face on it. I think he might be trying to tell you something
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Oct 14, 2011 03:02
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Years ago, 1999 I think, I was a Junior in college. I worked at the university library in periodicals. I sorted and stamped everything from math journals to weird semi-pornographic italian news magazines. And delivered them. So one day at work, I'm doing my runs, and my right leg and lower back are aching. I'm thinking I lifted wrong, or slept funny. While sorting I drop a magazine. Bend over and pick it up. See that I'm wearing a white running shoe on one foot, and a boot on the other. It was about 3 p.m. I had been at school since about 9 a.m. Had classes. Got coffee. That all said, sometimes you don't notice something off about yourself for a very long time, and when you do it's a big WTF moment.
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13Pandora13 posted:What's up, bisexual female buddy who can't get taken seriously by lesbians. I've been taken seriously by a lesbian exactly one time, and then she dumped me for her ex. I get dumped for ex-girlfriends a lot by girls.  And on the subject of having an understanding boyfriend/fiancee/husband... my last girlfriend continued dating me, even when I met my current fiancee and got surprise pregnant. It was more that we were understanding with each other, since we're both bi and pretty much were of the mind that there was no reason getting jealous or trying to compete with someone of the opposite gender. We broke up because she fell in love with my brother, and that would have just been too loving weird. In fact, my son, who is learning to talk, calls her "mama" as well. I don't know if he actually means "mama", which is what my fiancee and I referred to her as when he was first-born (as in "other mama"), or "godmama", which is what we refer to her as now around him. My fiancee has pretty much told me that if I can find a chick who's I'm into, who's into me, and doesn't mind being friends with him, he's alright with it. He doesn't even want to be involved, and is kind of frightened by the concept of a threesome involving me, him, and another chick. I don't know if I'd do it or not... but goddamn, I miss girls Content: So, my great aunt grows all sorts of veggies, and she gave us this gigantic banana squash to cook up to make baby food with. It's seriously huge: about three feet long and almost a foot around. My fiancee took it out of the fridge, because it was taking up too much room. My fiancee works early mornings and I work late nights, so that there's always someone home to watch the baby. He had left for work at about 3:30am, as he had to open shop at 4:30am, and he'd go early to fix himself a mocha and a breakfast sandwich. I woke up to give him a kiss, see him off, and lock up the front security gate and the doors, and went to sleep. I wake up at about 8am this morning because the baby is up and needs his diaper changed and wants his breakfast. But my arms are wrapped around something. I blearily look down... and it's the banana squash. I was sleeping with the banana squash in bed with me. It couldn't have been my fiancee, because I didn't manage to get back to sleep until he would have been clocking on. It couldn't have been my son, because he's only 8 months old and can't walk. It couldn't have been anybody else, because nobody else has a key to the apartment, save our landladies, and they are required by the terms of our lease to call the day before they're going to come into the apartment for any reason. So, at some point between maybe 4:45am and 8am this morning, I got up, grabbed a 13 pound banana squash, lay down in bed, wrapped it in my arms, and went back to sleep. And I don't remember it. 
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to anti-bi sentiment. The worst thing is if you settle down, people will automatically presume you were in a gay phase for were just a repressed gay. This is why my family take the piss out of me for coming out to them at 16 as gay and now living with s woman after I realised I was bi at around 18. Cheers, guys. Coming out to my family then realising I hadn't understood the full scope of my feelings and getting mocked for it is such a lovely feeling.
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Oct 14, 2011 12:51
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The Third Man posted:I think he might be trying to tell you something And that thing is "Get a restraining order." Stairs I feel like dramatically downplayed the wtc by writing it so simply. That's the creepiest thing I've ever heard : (
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Oct 14, 2011 16:00
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Stairs posted:My moment of What the Christ was walking into my ex-husband's bedroom to look for some video games my kids had left there during visitation. I saw something that looked like my picture barely peeking out from under the bed. When I pulled it out to see (I thought it was a framed photo of me) I discovered that my ex had taken a king sized body pillow, wrapped it in duct tape, cut a hole about waist level and stuffed a pocket pussy into it, then taped a picture of me to the top. My ex made a ghetto sex doll with my face on it. At least it was your face on it, that's romantic in a way I suppose.
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Oct 14, 2011 16:19
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SheepNameKiller posted:At least it was your face on it, that's romantic in a way I suppose. No..that's just creepy beyond belief and that guy needs to go seek help. 
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On the whole bi-thing. Something I never understood was how guys can be okay with their wife, girlfriend, etc cheating on them with their knowing, so long as its with a girl. If you're bi- that means you can go with girls or guys. Doesn't mean you should automatically feel entitled to being able to cheat so long as you're cheating with same sex person. And boyfriend fiancee may be thinking "hey, maybe I can get in on this." Lets say your male fiancee was all like "I love you babe, but I really like blonds/redheads, asians". Would it be okay for him to have one on the side, so long as he really loves you? 'Cause as much as he loves you he really feels like something is missing if he doesn't get some strange. Just sayin'.
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Oct 14, 2011 18:32
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Dingleberry posted:On the whole bi-thing. Something I never understood was how guys can be okay with their wife, girlfriend, etc cheating on them with their knowing, so long as its with a girl. I assume the general mentality is "There's no penis involved, so it doesn't count." 
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Oct 14, 2011 18:40
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Dingleberry posted:On the whole bi-thing. Something I never understood was how guys can be okay with their wife, girlfriend, etc cheating on them with their knowing, so long as its with a girl. I've never heard of someone letting their girlfriend just go off and hook up with another girl while he wasn't around. For me, that's a deal breaker. If I'm involved in the action then of course I don't care but that's the only situation I'd be okay with it.
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Oct 14, 2011 18:52
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MindlessHavok posted:I've never heard of someone letting their girlfriend just go off and hook up with another girl while he wasn't around. For me, that's a deal breaker. If I'm involved in the action then of course I don't care but that's the only situation I'd be okay with it. There are more things in heaven and earth than are imagined in your philosophy, Havok.
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redmercer posted:There are more things in heaven and earth than are imagined in your philosophy, Havok. Well I mean I assume it's happened before, I'm not that naive. I was just saying I personally have never heard of anyone doing it.
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Kuros posted:I assume the general mentality is "There's no penis involved, so it doesn't count." And we come full circle back to Mike's comment that started this all! Holy poo poo penis. Got one from the other day. I used to be friends with a girl named Shendew and we kept contact online for some time. She disappeared for a few years, and when she came back, she was happy to tell me she had met a guy and was pregnant. Well, that's cool and fine and...she disappears again for a few more years. When she emails me again, she's on kid number 2 and apparently went nuts, thinking that I was stalking her and wanted to steal her from her husband. He got in on it as well, defensive to the extreme and yelling how Shendew was his and I would never be with her, and I was very relieved when they disappeared again. Note: I had never ever indicated I was remotely interested in this girl. And as before she emailed me out of the blue, saying she was getting a divorce, had come out as bi, had lost custody of her two sons, but had just had her third, and was trying to get a divorce while her girlfriend supported her. Two or three years pass and I get an email yesterday from her ex-husband, for some reason informing me that they are divorced, he has all three kids, and things are going great. ....maybe that was his way of blessing me being with his psycho ex? Or he is under the assumption I've been puppetmastering their entire marriage to get with her.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_erasure This is something Bisexual people in the thread dealing with bigoted lesbians might want to read.  I'm an EMT, and usually I'm a pretty stoic guy, but this week I've been having reoccurring nightmares about having to treat a little girl who jumped off a building. The What the Christ part of this is that I've been staying up to avoid the dream for a very long time now, but now I'm starting to get flashes of it while i'm awake.
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Oct 15, 2011 11:44
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Dingleberry posted:On the whole bi-thing. Something I never understood was how guys can be okay with their wife, girlfriend, etc cheating on them with their knowing, so long as its with a girl. If you're having extramarital sexual encounters, but you're doing it with the full knowledge and consent of your spouse, by definition it's not cheating. There are lots of people in long-term, committed, but non-sexually-exclusive relationships, ranging from a one-sided and exploitative "Do whatever you want; just don't let me find out about it" to egalitarian, full and open healthy polyamories. It's not something that's publicly discussed (although it should be), but really, it's more common than you think.
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To give a WTC moment from my work, completely unrelated to the penis or lack thereof in my sex life: I work at a franchise of a major fast food joint (let's call it Clown Town.) At Clown Town, I frequently work in the drive-thru. That poor bastard who punches up the order and clarifies it through those awful speakers? Me. The greeting that plays when someone pulls up to a Clown Town drive-thru is automated, because most of the time, if there aren't a lot of customers, I'm in the back of the restaurant, helping everyone else get things set up, and that greeting gives me time to run out there. One morning, I'm in the back, fetching more napkins or something, and a guy pulls up outside. As soon as the greeting starts to play, this happens:  (Customer) HOTCAKES!Message cuts off, meaning that he drove away from the menu.  (Me) Oh crud he's probably at my window right now!I scurry over to my window, and he's just pulling up. I'm very offended by the fact that the greeting is automated! I'm sorry to hear that sir, let me just ring up your order of hotcakes here. I'm just so sick of hearing of it! I completely understand, sir, I hear it a lot too! I'm going to be contacting your owners about it, I've contacted them before! Please do, sir, your total will be [dollars]. (as he's paying me) I'll tell them about -this-, too!None of us could figure out what he was so upset about. Yeah, the automated greeting is a bit obnoxious, but we all hear it all day, every day, and it doesn't bother any of us that much. The part that was really about it was the fact that this guy was acting like he expected me to run out there and re-record the greeting message right then and there.The only thing we can figure is that he was trying to con some free food out of me for being 'offended', but that's well above my pay grade.
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During my time spent in London I once had a.. hooligan? thug? large-drunk-cockney-gentleman, absolutely convinced I was a police officer. I am not a police officer, and did nothing to persuade him that I was (initially anyway), other than to loiter outside a busy (if minor) tube station sometime mid-morning. I was a twenty-ish female uni student, not particularly built or anything either. I'm outside the station, waiting for a friend to arrive so we could go get coffee. Dressed like a young woman going to get coffee. Up rocks drunkie, on a mission to get somewhere. He sees me leaning against a centrally positioned railing (no idea where my friend is coming from) and looks like he's been caught doing something he shouldn't. He stops, curses, and starts walking over to me slowly with his hands in an "I'm not reaching for anything" position. Jesus says I, whatever though, there are plenty of people around and its like 11am. Also, I have my "Very Obvious Earbuds" in. (Which in retrospect actually are black and fairly unique looking..hm.) He tries to say something to me, and I point to my ear doing that 'can'thearyoupleasegothefuckawayhaha' thing, expecting him to do just that. Instead, he looks embarrassed and steps to the side like a scolded child. It took me a second, but I realized he was waiting for me to finish listening so he could talk to me. It was a long while before I made up my mind to just go for it and see where crazy lead me, and pulled out my earbuds. "I'm so sorry miss, I didn't mean to misbehave, I got scared and he were a big lad and there were lots of you and all-" Oh good, makes perfect sense. At this point I haven't said a drat thing by the way. "-I know I've got to go in for what I done, assaulting an officer and that-" gently caress. I'm paraphrasing what he said, as this happened a while ago. But I was able to put together enough from his rambling to get that he had been involved in a bar-fight the night before, the police had been called and he had punched one of the larger officers in the face. He then ran away in the skirmish, had been evading the cops all night, and for WHATEVER REASON decided that I was in fact an officer sent to the station to arrest him if he turned up. He was adamant that even if he had to be arrested, that he had to personally apologize to the cop he had hit, explaining that otherwise all cops in the city would have it in for him. He further explained that I looked alright for a copper and asked me several times not to radio anyone else in. A choice presented itself here. But knowing my friend was due to show up soon, and already having the opportunity and feeling pretty safe, I waded in deeper. I'm american, but my parents both have english accents, and being at drama school I could swing a very passable one myself. I explained to the man that he was doing the right thing in reporting his offense, but I couldn't leave my post to do anything about it. He told me he was afraid of the giant gang of vigilante cops after him. I explained that cops simply do not get paid enough to abandon their beats to carry out personal vendettas en masse. This seemed to convince him pretty thoroughly actually. He asked me what he should do. I said if he really felt that badly about it he could go to the local station and probably get pointed in the direction of the punched officer. He thanked me profusely and left.
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Retro Access posted:If Americans really think this is so "what the Christ" perhaps we should go back to women not having careers because the chance of a 35+ woman with an established career having kids (which is now so common it's mainstream) with genetic disorders is higher than first cousin couplings. And both are pretty drat low above the norm anyway. And we have tests to show up that stuff. This came up at work the other day. When I mentioned the 35+ and higher chance of disorders thing, my coworker became loudly upset and admonished me for saying such terrible things and that they couldn't possibly be true. Another coworker came in after hearing the commotion and agreed that I was so terribly, terribly wrong. That was pretty WTC for me.
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I come from a small town in Canada so I have absolutely nothing compared to this thread, but I'll share what may be the most random thing I've seen. A few years ago I'm sitting on the couch, watching T.V or some poo poo, when I look out the window and see a duck. Not too uncommon out in hickville, but this duck was different. It was in the middle of the road, and it was running like its life was on the line. It was also quacking really loud and fast. Okay, got all that? Now as I'm looking at this duck, sprinting for it's life quacking constantly, a guy shows up catching up to the duck. This guy is HUGE. I'm guessing 6'5, and 250+ pounds. Here's the thing: He's riding this tiny motorized tricycle, looking even smaller compared to how freaking huge this guy is. So, a duck fleeing down the middle of a road quacking constantly being chased by some huge motherfucker on a tiny motorized tricycle.
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Regarding the "its not cheating if its with a girl," I wonder if it's because there's no chance of producing kids that way? Even if it's a subconscious thing.
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something posted:I come from a small town in Canada so I have absolutely nothing compared to this thread, but I'll share what may be the most random thing I've seen. Sounds like you stumbled into some real-life reenactment of a Duck Tales episode
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VanSandman posted:Regarding the "its not cheating if its with a girl," I wonder if it's because there's no chance of producing kids that way? Even if it's a subconscious thing. Another factor is that the person of the same gender has something your opposite sexed partner doesn't have, and can not provide satisfaction of.  It's their genitals.
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Dingleberry posted:On the whole bi-thing. Something I never understood was how guys can be okay with their wife, girlfriend, etc cheating on them with their knowing, so long as its with a girl. Because liking blondes, redheads, and Asians is a sexual fetish, not a sexual orientation. Sarah Hoorah posted:During my time spent in London I once had a.. hooligan? thug? large-drunk-cockney-gentleman, absolutely convinced I was a police officer. The term is "chav".
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Lolitas Alright! posted:Because liking blondes, redheads, and Asians is a sexual fetish, not a sexual orientation. Lots of guys (in fact, I'd say the overwhelming majority) have a fetish for lesbians who are secrectly penis-craving bisexuals. I agree though that cheating should never take place. Pre-approved 100% consensual extra-marital sex is perfectly fine with me, however, as long as everyone involved gives their consent. It's the cheating part that's the problem, no matter the sexes of the involved parties.
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VanSandman posted:Regarding the "its not cheating if its with a girl," I wonder if it's because there's no chance of producing kids that way? Even if it's a subconscious thing. My boyfriend is one of those guys ( ). I actually argued with him about it (because I have no interest in cheating even if he doesn't consider it such) and what it boiled down to was roughly, "I don't know, it's hot, so I guess I don't care because I'm a pig  ."That was a pretty big in itself.
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13Pandora13 posted:My boyfriend is one of those guys ( The kind of person that can balance two relationships and not feel bad is totally fine (as long as they are honest),but it's just not for me. I have my needs met, and if I want extra that's what vibrators and imagination are for.
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^^^^^^ Perfectly reasonable. Obviously the man shouldn't push the woman on the issue.13Pandora13 posted:what it boiled down to was roughly, "I don't know, it's hot, so I guess I don't care because I'm a pig It doesn't bother me because, as a hetero male raised in a community where I didn't know LGBT's existed until I was a sophomore in high school, I just don't feel threatened sexually by another woman. I would be insulted if I weren't asked first, but I just don't see a woman as a threat to my place in the relationship, physically or emotionally. Action_Bastard has a new favorite as of 15:43 on Oct 17, 2011 |
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The semantics aren't difficult - if both parties in a relationship say "You can bang whomever you like" or even "You can bang whomever you like within this subset of people/circumstances" having sex with someone that isn't your primary partner isn't cheating. The problem in many situations is that one partner either steamrolls or gets steamrolled into accepting outside sexual encounters on their and/or their partner's part, when they emotionally aren't actually cool with it. Those are the destructive situations that lead to relationship failures, and the things that make much of society believe "THIS IS DUMB THIS WILL NEVER WORK  ".
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I like turtles posted:The semantics aren't difficult - if both parties in a relationship say "You can bang whomever you like" or even "You can bang whomever you like within this subset of people/circumstances" having sex with someone that isn't your primary partner isn't cheating. Yes that is all true, but there's also another problem. Many people THINK they'll be okay with it, and that they are mature enough. But when their partner goes out on a date or gets deeply enamored with another person they become sad and jealous and it often destroys their relationship. I have seen this very thing amongst people I know and it's heartbreaking to see a couple that might have grown old together go their separate ways because one of them wanted to "try something different". If a couple want to risk it and it works I'm sure it can be beautiful. I just can't take that risk with the person I adore. What I'm saying is that what starts out as acceptable can quickly begin to feel like cheating. I think most people can handle the sex part, but the part where your loved one actually starts to LOVE another is where it gets murky. Most people don't realize how NOT okay they are with it until it's too late.
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This is going to make me sound faggy, but here's my view on the matter: The role of sex is, as with most things in life, dependent on context. Yes, if you pick someone up from a bar, it is basically just for you both to get your rocks off, and that's fine. However, in a relationship, I view sex as being the thing that cements it. Sex is the ultimate way of expressing your feelings to your partner via the mutual providing of pleasure. As such, even if my girlfriend were okay with it, I wouldn't want a threesome or for either of us to have another sexual partner within the context of a relationship as it undermines the nature of sex within the relationship. That said, if you go into a relationship in which sexual polygamy is involved, that's s different matter, as that changes the nature of what sex is about within that relationship, but just wanting a threesome/other sexual partners within a relationship which was started to be monogamous, it doesn't feel right to me.
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Lolitas Alright! posted:So, at some point between maybe 4:45am and 8am this morning, I got up, grabbed a 13 pound banana squash, lay down in bed, wrapped it in my arms, and went back to sleep. And I don't remember it. Are you in the habit of ever taking your baby into your bed? Maybe you sleepily thought the squash was your baby and goddamn I am laughing too hard to properly finish this sentence.
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